Never have I seen such throw in the towel mentality...

[Bkocats]

Showing your disgust and sickness when UK loses is not the issue but don't hate on this team. They are not trying to lose. NONE of these kids are losers. NONE of them. State their short-comings and state Coach Cal's short-comings but don't bash this team or this coach. They do not deserve bashing. This team does not serve bashing. Choose your words wisely as all anyone on this site can judge are your words. My heart hurts right now but the team doesn't need to be bashed. They need to learn, adjust, toughen-up, and team-up.

I think they will be great at the end. This team will gel. These are good, good kids. Nuff Said

that is fair-
I'm frustrated as hell with these guys - and for me, right now it's mostly on Cal. His current method is not working; and like the "tweak" in 2014 - he's going to have to change how he handles things and soon.
I don't have a lot of confidence right now - but that's based on what we've seen so far. But I haven't given up hope.

 

[KyFaninNC]

that is fair-
I'm frustrated as hell with these guys - and for me, right now it's mostly on Cal. His current method is not working; and like the "tweak" in 2014 - he's going to have to change how he handles things and soon.
I don't have a lot of confidence right now - but that's based on what we've seen so far. But I haven't given up hope.

RACK this^.

 

[Blue Decade]

from the fans...

Then you must not read our football board.

 

[OldEvilleCat]

I love the emotions on the ol' message board. Just shows everybody cares...it's a long season. Slow your roll everybody.
Granted they did not look focused/dialed in yesterday at all for whatever reason. Maybe they thought they had it won before they got off the plane?

I agree, not only do the players need to figure out how to win (quoting Cal) but Cal's also gotta figure out how to win with "his team". Yesterday was not it!

I hope nobody has given up hope, 9-2 is no reason to give up hope. My hope is to have a shot at a title every year...we still got a shot. (albeit a slim one at this juncture)

Next game will be interesting. If we lose to UL at Rupp...

 

[BBUK]

Yeah, the thought crossed my mind too. I will take a few days off if that happens. I think this team will rise to the occasion though. I really do.

 

[MakinMusic]

Fans are spoiled by Cal....it's really that simple.

 

[brianpoe]

In my case and maybe some others, the main issue is that I don't see the "we will be ok if <player(s)> just comes around"

As of right now I just do not see it.

Alex has been Alex for 4 years now.

Lee has improved but is still offensively inept as a starter, he and Alex combined does not bring any sense of worry to a defense down low.

Skal would have to have an exorcism to get where we need him to be in two months.

Some Jamaican would have to pull the needles out of the Briscoe voodoo doll for him to start catching rim.

Tyler is going to be 5'8.

Willis isnt going to turn into Gary Payton on defense.

Was Dom's UL game a lasting thing?

We have two super young foreigners that may or may not play at all.

Mulder doesnt seem to be a guy Cal trusts.

Our primary offensive hope is erratic at best.



Where is the:

"At least we can go to Randle for a bucket"

"Lots of young talent just need to come together"

"At least the twins and Young can hit free throws"

"at least we have 2 - 7 footers that can get position for offense or a rebound"

"at least we have Miller and Liggins"

"at least we have a reliable Lamb and a tough Jones and a scrappy Jorts"


What is it we have that calms our minds and assures us we have the pieces to really become a quality team?

I see the kids giving effort.

I also see a lack of offensive talent and lack of bball IQ as well.

I also see a lack of leadership from our upperclassmen.


Not sure Cal can tweak enough, and I think he will not change certain things...

Our best shooters are our worst defenders, our best defenders cannot produce offensively.


I believe our roster make up is an issue that cannot be easily manipulated to the level of winning many games in the tourney.


I'll back them all the way, and I hope I am dead wrong, but I am not betting the house on this squad having a major turnaround.

 

[Kybluedude]

Growing pains as a team. Our fans are kinda pussies. Give up quick when the times get tough

 

[CHAMPCAT11]

In my case and maybe some others, the main issue is that I don't see the "we will be ok if <player(s)> just comes around.

As of right now I just do not see it.

Alex has been Alex for 4 years now.

Lee has improved but is still offensively inept as a starter, he and Alex combined does not bring any sense of worry to a defense down low.

Skal would have to have an exorcism to get where we need him to be in two months.

Some Jamaican would have to pull the needles out of the Briscoe voodoo doll for him to start catching rim.

Tyler is going to be 5'8.

Willis isnt going to turn into Gary Payton on defense.

Was Dom's UL game a lasting thing?

We have two super young foreigners that may or may not play at all.

Mulder doesnt seem to be a guy Cal trusts.

Our primary offensive hope is erratic at best.



Where is the:

"At least we can go to Randle for a bucket"

"Lots of young talent just need to come together"

"At least the twins and Young can hit free throws"

"at least we have 2 - 7 footers that can get position for offense or a rebound"

"at least we have Miller and Liggins"

"at least we have a reliable Lamb and a tough Jones and a scrappy Jorts"


What is it we have that calms our minds and assures us we have the pieces to really become a quality team?

I see the kids giving effort.

I also see a lack of offensive talent and lack of bball IQ as well.

I also see a lack of leadership from our upperclassmen.


Not sure Cal can tweak enough, and I think he will not change certain things...

Our best shooters are our worst defenders, our best defenders cannot produce offensively.


I believe our roster make up is an issue that cannot be easily manipulated to the level of winning many games in the tourney.


I'll back them all the way, and I hope I am dead wrong, but I am not betting the house on this squad having a major turnaround.

This is spot on 100% correct. We have a few good traits but we've got holes that have no way in hell to be fixed this season. We'll be fine over time but this year is going to end ugly.

 

[Wall2Boogie]

My favorite fans are the ones who are coaches as well. You know who you are. You are the first to come on after a loss and tell cal would you would of done to win the game. Whether it be we need a shooter, zone defense, Willis sucks, more man to man, Willis sucks, set more screens, skal sucks, towns walks too slow.

 

[dave5164]

If we could get Poythress to become the consistent player that can score 14-20 ppg. and 10-14 rpg. each game to go along with Marcus Lee that has been consistent except UCLA(injury) and LSU(5min of play) scoring 10-12 ppg. and 10-12 rpg. that would be a huge help from our frontline. As we all discuss on here about Skal not being that Center that Coach Cal wants because he has played forward at the High School level. Try Skal at Forward and work with him there he has a nice shot from 10-15ft and is good FT shooter. IF not Skal then see what a Wynyard or Humphries can do in 25-30 minutes not just 6-8 minutes.

Then the other most talked about topic is the Briscoe issue with his shot, 3-point shot, and FT% being 1/7 at LSU in 30minutes of play. Try Mulder or even Willis starting in place of Briscoe. Mulder last year at Vincennes Junior College hit 50% FG, 46% from 3, and 7 rpg. while averaging 16ppg. In just 12 minutes vs. LSU he hits a 3 and 2/2 ft line for 5 points and 8 rebounds and 0 Turnovers. Play him 25-30 minutes and see what his numbers are and if he would had played 30 minutes vs. LSU he would had a Double/Double for sure. Both he and Willis can hit 40% from 3 and consistent at the line. We know Willis needs to work on his "D" but Mulder showed in 12 minutes vs. LSU that with his 8reb. and ok defense that he is a better option right now over Briscoe.

It will be interesting to see who Coach Cal starts and plays more at that position tomorrow evening between Briscoe and Mulder after the LSU game. If Poy/Lee plays consistent each game, and our 'D' plays like it did in the 2 games prior to LSU game we will continue to win by 20+ points like we did vs. Ole Miss in most all games home and away in the SEC play. I also say lets try Mulder or even Willis in Briscoe's spot and see what they produce in 25-30 minutes. We still have the minutes to give to Briscoe in the guard play to get him 25 minutes a game. It will be interesting to see how we come out and play in the1st half vs. Bama and see if any changes that we all have talked about on here will be made tomorrow. There is no way with our talent and if we play like we did prior to LSU game on "D" we can beat Bama by double digits 20+ tomorrow. We will see if our Bigs learned anything from the LSU game Tuesday Night.

 

[michaeluk26]

Growing pains as a team. Our fans are kinda pussies. Give up quick when the times get tough

This. Its pathetic how quick some "fans" give up and then pile on the team and players because, heaven forbid, we lose a game. This board literally sickens me after a loss. Its why I wait 2 days at least to even come back on here after a loss.

 

[CalCat57]

We have the talent. We will be cutting down the nets. Mark it down.

You are dreaming. We dont come close to matching up with the talent of Kansas, Oklahoma, North Carolina and others.

 

[kat57]

Thought that in 2014. The team turned the season around in the NCAA tournament.

 

[HICATFAN]

from the fans...

Amen!

AlohaCat

 

[Wall2Boogie]

Bartender! I'll have what rupps revenge is having and make it a double for my friends!

 

[BigRedMachineBigBlueNation]

Well there is a certain somebody you could ban...

 

[screwduke]

In my case and maybe some others, the main issue is that I don't see the "we will be ok if <player(s)> just comes around.

As of right now I just do not see it.

Alex has been Alex for 4 years now.

Lee has improved but is still offensively inept as a starter, he and Alex combined does not bring any sense of worry to a defense down low.

Skal would have to have an exorcism to get where we need him to be in two months.

Some Jamaican would have to pull the needles out of the Briscoe voodoo doll for him to start catching rim.

Tyler is going to be 5'8.

Willis isnt going to turn into Gary Payton on defense.

Was Dom's UL game a lasting thing?

We have two super young foreigners that may or may not play at all.

Mulder doesnt seem to be a guy Cal trusts.

Our primary offensive hope is erratic at best.



Where is the:

"At least we can go to Randle for a bucket"

"Lots of young talent just need to come together"

"At least the twins and Young can hit free throws"

"at least we have 2 - 7 footers that can get position for offense or a rebound"

"at least we have Miller and Liggins"

"at least we have a reliable Lamb and a tough Jones and a scrappy Jorts"


What is it we have that calms our minds and assures us we have the pieces to really become a quality team?

I see the kids giving effort.

I also see a lack of offensive talent and lack of bball IQ as well.

I also see a lack of leadership from our upperclassmen.


Not sure Cal can tweak enough, and I think he will not change certain things...

Our best shooters are our worst defenders, our best defenders cannot produce offensively.


I believe our roster make up is an issue that cannot be easily manipulated to the level of winning many games in the tourney.


I'll back them all the way, and I hope I am dead wrong, but I am not betting the house on this squad having a major turnaround.

Agree. I'm not sure if the same tweak for the 2014 squad will work with this team. When Marcus Lee is one of your best players (and this is no shot at Lee as I think he's awesome and plays his tail off, but on most teams he would be a bench player or role player) you know your team is in trouble. I trust Cal as much as anybody but I don't know what he can do to turn this team around.

 

[UKCATSFREAK]

from the fans...

Unfortunately, I do. It was just 2 years ago with the 2014 team. Cal went from being called a horrible coach to being the greatest coach in basketball over a span of 3 weeks in March.

 

[UKCATSFREAK]

Lee played alright.

I know you're not talking about this last game against LSU. He played horrible. He has had 3 bad games this year and we have lost all 3 of those games.

 

[UKCATSFREAK]

I was a listener when Cawood started calling Kentucky's games. When the Cats played poorly, he never failed to call them out on it, and there never was a better Kentucky fan than Cawood. They played a stinkero today and everybody knows it. It is not disloyal to mention it.

It's fine to point out when a player or the entire team play poorly. I don't think anyone will dispute that or has disputed that on here. I used to listen to Cawood as well and I don't ever remember him giving up on the team. I also don't ever remember him bashing a coach. It's just fine to say...... I think Cal should have done this or that tonight. Or, Cal needs to play so and so more or even, Cal really got outcoached this game or that game. I don't have any problems with that kind of constructive criticisms towards the coach, team, or player.

It's the ones who give up on the team and turn on the coach that drives me batshit crazy. The ones who get on various outlets and bitch and moan over everything because they're spoiled by our success and expect perfection. Everyone gets frustrated after a loss but it doesn't mean that it's the end of the world. We have gotten so spoiled by Cal that we think we should NEVER lose, period. And when we do lose, it's not because the other team was just better than us that night, it's because Cal can't coach his way out of a paper bag, Alex is a nutcase, Skal is a bust, Murray wants to make Sportscenter and will never change, or whatever. Its always the end of the world and we might as well just forfeit the rest of our games because this team wont get it and has no chance to do anything the rest of the year. Let's just start thinking about next year's loaded team that will surely go undefeated because they're awesome AAU players. (Have ya heard that one before? That's an entirely other rant all in itself and its what fuels these ridiculous expectations.) That's what is so frustrating about some of our fans. That's what everyone is talking about on here and I know Cawood Ledford was not that type of fan. He was alot smarter than that.

 

[Poetax]

If we could get Poythress to become the consistent player that can score 14-20 ppg. and 10-14 rpg. each game to go along with Marcus Lee that has been consistent except UCLA(injury) and LSU(5min of play) scoring 10-12 ppg. and 10-12 rpg. that would be a huge help from our frontline. As we all discuss on here about Skal not being that Center that Coach Cal wants because he has played forward at the High School level. Try Skal at Forward and work with him there he has a nice shot from 10-15ft and is good FT shooter. IF not Skal then see what a Wynyard or Humphries can do in 25-30 minutes not just 6-8 minutes.

Then the other most talked about topic is the Briscoe issue with his shot, 3-point shot, and FT% being 1/7 at LSU in 30minutes of play. Try Mulder or even Willis starting in place of Briscoe. Mulder last year at Vincennes Junior College hit 50% FG, 46% from 3, and 7 rpg. while averaging 16ppg. In just 12 minutes vs. LSU he hits a 3 and 2/2 ft line for 5 points and 8 rebounds and 0 Turnovers. Play him 25-30 minutes and see what his numbers are and if he would had played 30 minutes vs. LSU he would had a Double/Double for sure. Both he and Willis can hit 40% from 3 and consistent at the line. We know Willis needs to work on his "D" but Mulder showed in 12 minutes vs. LSU that with his 8reb. and ok defense that he is a better option right now over Briscoe.

It will be interesting to see who Coach Cal starts and plays more at that position tomorrow evening between Briscoe and Mulder after the LSU game. If Poy/Lee plays consistent each game, and our 'D' plays like it did in the 2 games prior to LSU game we will continue to win by 20+ points like we did vs. Ole Miss in most all games home and away in the SEC play. I also say lets try Mulder or even Willis in Briscoe's spot and see what they produce in 25-30 minutes. We still have the minutes to give to Briscoe in the guard play to get him 25 minutes a game. It will be interesting to see how we come out and play in the1st half vs. Bama and see if any changes that we all have talked about on here will be made tomorrow. There is no way with our talent and if we play like we did prior to LSU game on "D" we can beat Bama by double digits 20+ tomorrow. We will see if our Bigs learned anything from the LSU game Tuesday Night.

But Briscoe was a good ft shooter in high school too. I guess it's hard to predict which players will be affected by pressure in college play.

 

[Supreme Lord Z]

If only somebody had tried to tamper fan expectation and rationally discuss the shortcomings of this team while warning fans we would lose at least 6 SEC games.

But no, that was blasphemy.

 

[UKCATSFREAK]

If we could get Poythress to become the consistent player that can score 14-20 ppg. and 10-14 rpg. each game to go along with Marcus Lee that has been consistent except UCLA(injury) and LSU(5min of play) scoring 10-12 ppg. and 10-12 rpg. that would be a huge help from our frontline. As we all discuss on here about Skal not being that Center that Coach Cal wants because he has played forward at the High School level. Try Skal at Forward and work with him there he has a nice shot from 10-15ft and is good FT shooter. IF not Skal then see what a Wynyard or Humphries can do in 25-30 minutes not just 6-8 minutes.

Then the other most talked about topic is the Briscoe issue with his shot, 3-point shot, and FT% being 1/7 at LSU in 30minutes of play. Try Mulder or even Willis starting in place of Briscoe. Mulder last year at Vincennes Junior College hit 50% FG, 46% from 3, and 7 rpg. while averaging 16ppg. In just 12 minutes vs. LSU he hits a 3 and 2/2 ft line for 5 points and 8 rebounds and 0 Turnovers. Play him 25-30 minutes and see what his numbers are and if he would had played 30 minutes vs. LSU he would had a Double/Double for sure. Both he and Willis can hit 40% from 3 and consistent at the line. We know Willis needs to work on his "D" but Mulder showed in 12 minutes vs. LSU that with his 8reb. and ok defense that he is a better option right now over Briscoe.

It will be interesting to see who Coach Cal starts and plays more at that position tomorrow evening between Briscoe and Mulder after the LSU game. If Poy/Lee plays consistent each game, and our 'D' plays like it did in the 2 games prior to LSU game we will continue to win by 20+ points like we did vs. Ole Miss in most all games home and away in the SEC play. I also say lets try Mulder or even Willis in Briscoe's spot and see what they produce in 25-30 minutes. We still have the minutes to give to Briscoe in the guard play to get him 25 minutes a game. It will be interesting to see how we come out and play in the1st half vs. Bama and see if any changes that we all have talked about on here will be made tomorrow. There is no way with our talent and if we play like we did prior to LSU game on "D" we can beat Bama by double digits 20+ tomorrow. We will see if our Bigs learned anything from the LSU game Tuesday Night.

When thinking of Briscoe, his free throw shooting and 3 pt shooting do stand out as terrible but you have to look at what else he provides for the team and most of the time, he and Ulis are the only players on the court that are playing hard. I agree that I'd like to see what Mulder can do but I also know that Briscoe is good for this team. The kid shot somewhere in the 70% range on FTs in high school, so there has to be an issue somewhere because he has consistently hit free throws in the past. Whether it's the pressure of the college game or the fact that he is playing harder and thus is more fatigued, who knows but it's something. He can only go up from here though, he ranks as the 3rd worse in the country. So, I'm sticking with Briscoe until somebody else proves they can bring more than he does to the court.




Oh, I like Derek too but that kid is lost on the defensive end. He is just too much of a liability to play consistently. Anything he gives us offensively, he gives back on the other end. So, I see why he doesn't get the minutes that others have been getting. Until he improves his defense and rebounding, I doubt he sees increased playing time. I think I'm going to go nuts every time tries to rebound with 1 hand. I don't understand how he can't grasp that concept. Lol. TWO HANDED REBOUNDS DEREK!!!

 

[Primedfor9]

It almost seems like there's many who thought this was the 96 or 12 team and would dominate college basketball from the get go, and they give up because they're not that dominant of a team. I never saw this team as that, I thought we'd have a few losses and struggle a bit with the roster we have but could be a great team by March and make a deep run. We don't have any terrible losses, have quality wins over louisville and Duke and are much like I expected us to be this year so far. We could beat anybody but can lose to talented teams with length and depth.

 

[OldEvilleCat]

Growing pains as a team. Our fans are kinda pussies. Give up quick when the times get tough

Is there any way to "double" like something.... However...I did say in another thread, if we lose to Alabama today I will be reeeeaaalllly close to throwing in the towel for the year.

So Kybluedude must be talking about the rest of you guys.....

 

[BigAbe4UK]

I think it's just frustration that we aren't playing to our abilities. It's tough to watch when they aren't. I really think our ceiling is higher than any team out there. We've seen glimpses. Maybe almost time for a "Tweak"?

 

[Xception]

There are some front runners in the fan base and they only like winning , a sure sign is that they lash out at the team when they don't win . They support winning , not the team . Who needs support when you're winning ?

 

[USNNFOCAT]

People are just venting...I hope

That and they're either too old and have forgotten 1998 thru 2008 or too young to remember that era. It could be that they're just mouthing off to have something to say because they're the "glass is always half empty" type of person. I was born with blue in my veins listening to games as a kid coached by Rupp on my transistor radio all the way up to BCG and DirecTV and I don't remember a better time to be a KY fan! Disappointments along the way? Sure, but I'm lovin it on the whole.