NCAA adopts college basketball rule changes for 2015-16 season
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I like the no reset on the backcourt. Look for a little more pressing this year with that change.
I like extending the charge/block arc from three feet to four. The charge/block is the hardest call for the officials to get correct. Anything that can be done to help eliminate the officials having to make that call is a good thing for the game, IMHO. Right now, it's bad for officials, players, coaches and fans.... therefore, bad for the game.
Only players can call live ball timeouts is good no more timeouts from the bench on tie ups giving the team in trouble the ball back.
With the women going to 10-minute quarters instead of halves, how long before the men change to 12-minute quarters? I'll guess probably in the next 2-3 years.
Should just eliminate the 10 second rule. If a team wants to jerk around in the back court for 20 seconds, then they have 10 to shoot. The officiating has got so bad, need to eliminate the officials as much as possible. Also, team should have possession of the ball before calling a TO. Once the ball goes thru the net, you don't have the ball any more. No TO allowed.
I am not a NBA fan, but have to admit, it is easier to watch than college now.
They won't change to 12-minute quarters, only 10-minute quarters. Nearly everywhere other than NBA (48-minutes) and high school (32-minutes but varies I hear) the game not 40 minutes. The only reason the NBA is 48 minutes is because they did it way, way back in the day to give people more game so they'd be more likely to come to an NBA game than the competition.
Deadball timeouts are pretty much standard operating procedure in any sport that has team timeouts.
Umm, another change is that now they can review potential shot clock violations any time during the game, not just in the last 2 minutes of a half. Wonder how that would've changed things in the Wisc. game........
Can't help but wonder if that non-call was a contributor towards making that rule.
Probably was. How ridiculous to restrict an important review that involves points, to the last 2 minutes? They review whether a shooter's toe was on/over the line on 3 point shots all the time. Sometimes you just have to shake your head and wonder about the competency of the NCAA.
Well it would have certainly changed the number of points we would have lost by but it couldn't possibly make our team make smarter decisions on the other end of the floor. 3 straight shot clock violations is inexcusable. Can't blame that on the refs.
Us being down 2 instead of 4 when Aaron jacked up that 3 could definitely have changed the decision making.
Never.
10 minute quarters, maybe, but never 12 minute. Adding 8 minutes to the game is drastic, and TV would hate it.
I disagree. The last thing I want to see is the NBA style of play where you make 1 pass (if that) and jack up a shot. I prefer to see some set offense. I think even 30 seconds will cause a lot of bad shot selection to occur.
The ball is NOT dead after a made field goal, unless it is the last 2 minutes, because the clock keeps running.
I'm sure it was and a lot of non calls throughout the regular season and tournament, let's see if it helps this year
College basketball shot selection is already infinitely worse than the NBA. At least this will force teams to spend a little less time pounding the ball into the floor doing nothing before throwing up some desperation crap to beat the clock.
And you may think you don't want to see 1 pass and a shot, but if you're a UK fan who liked UK's traditional style of play, going back to Rupp, then you used to see a lot of that. Part of playing uptempo is being willing to shoot early in a possession, and there weren't many coaches more uptempo than Rupp. That's why so many of his teams put up FG attempt numbers that seem insane by today's standards (well over 80 a game, compared to around 55 now). You can't get that many shot attempts by making 7 passes and setting a lot of picks every time you have the ball.
^ This. Dan Issel is the all time scoring leader and only played 3 years, despite playing center and being only 6'8" and did it in an era way before a shot clock.
Couple good points but you can't compare today's game with that of Rupp's time. Completely different game.
Do you like zone defenses? I hope so because the shorter they make the shot clock the more zone defenses you are going to see. It is going to turn college basketball into a 3 point shooting contest. Teams are going to pack in zone defenses and force the outside shot.
I am not one that wants the college game to turn into another NBA. I hate the NBA and never watch NBA games.
I am not one that wants the college game to turn into another NBA. I hate the NBA and never watch NBA games.
Sure wish we had this rule last year
"Other changes include allowing refs to use replay reviews for potential shot clock violations on made baskets throughout the game"
I like a lot of these rule changes.
"In other changes, coaches will no longer be allowed to call timeouts during live ball situations and, with only a few exceptions, teams will get just 10 total seconds to advance the ball past half court instead of resetting the clock if there is a stoppage."
Love the fact that the 10 second clock is not re-set that was a horrible rule before and I like that coaches can't call live ball timeouts.
"making Class B technical fouls such as hanging on the rim and delay of game one-shot infractions instead of two, removing the prohibition on dunking during warm-ups, eliminating the five-second rule when a player is dribbling"
I like a 1 shot tech for stuff like hanging on the rim since that is subjective at times also that stupid you can't dunk in pregame once less than 20 mins are left in warm ups needed to go that was dumb.
Love getting rid of the stupid 5 second call while the guy is dribbling if you want the ball steal it just standing next to him was the dumbest thing ever seeing the officials counting 5 seconds and calling 5 second violations.
"Other changes include allowing refs to use replay reviews for potential shot clock violations on made baskets throughout the game"
I like a lot of these rule changes.
"In other changes, coaches will no longer be allowed to call timeouts during live ball situations and, with only a few exceptions, teams will get just 10 total seconds to advance the ball past half court instead of resetting the clock if there is a stoppage."
Love the fact that the 10 second clock is not re-set that was a horrible rule before and I like that coaches can't call live ball timeouts.
"making Class B technical fouls such as hanging on the rim and delay of game one-shot infractions instead of two, removing the prohibition on dunking during warm-ups, eliminating the five-second rule when a player is dribbling"
I like a 1 shot tech for stuff like hanging on the rim since that is subjective at times also that stupid you can't dunk in pregame once less than 20 mins are left in warm ups needed to go that was dumb.
Love getting rid of the stupid 5 second call while the guy is dribbling if you want the ball steal it just standing next to him was the dumbest thing ever seeing the officials counting 5 seconds and calling 5 second violations.
Where you typing in a cave ? You repeated several things as if someone was talking and there was a echo. I barely understood what the hell you where trying to get across.
IMHO......
New shot clock rule is the "Kentucky Rule" based on Wisc game. Good new rule.
No live ball TO, the "Roy Williams Rule"... UNC/Iowa State game in NCAA tourney in 2014. Iowa State scores in closing seconds to take the lead, UNC quickly inbounds ball, Williams tries to call time from bench but ball is in play. Official (mainly Tony Greene) has his back to Williams, watching the play but cannot hear him b/c crowd is roaring. Some UNC players stop, some continue. Game ends, big conference, review, total cluster. No way to end a NCAA game. I think this new rule is good idea. UNC still could have called a TO (ball was dead once Iowa St. scored) but once it was inbounded it was total confusion. New rule would eliminate that. A player, who officials are actually watching, would have to called a TO.
As far as a 24 second shot clock rule..... the NBA struggles with it and you see a lot of terrible shots. Have college players facing 24 seconds to shoot would be a disaster, IMHO.
New shot clock rule is the "Kentucky Rule" based on Wisc game. Good new rule.
No live ball TO, the "Roy Williams Rule"... UNC/Iowa State game in NCAA tourney in 2014. Iowa State scores in closing seconds to take the lead, UNC quickly inbounds ball, Williams tries to call time from bench but ball is in play. Official (mainly Tony Greene) has his back to Williams, watching the play but cannot hear him b/c crowd is roaring. Some UNC players stop, some continue. Game ends, big conference, review, total cluster. No way to end a NCAA game. I think this new rule is good idea. UNC still could have called a TO (ball was dead once Iowa St. scored) but once it was inbounded it was total confusion. New rule would eliminate that. A player, who officials are actually watching, would have to called a TO.
As far as a 24 second shot clock rule..... the NBA struggles with it and you see a lot of terrible shots. Have college players facing 24 seconds to shoot would be a disaster, IMHO.
I think the rule is a good one but would actually go one step further. Why not eliminate all live ball timeouts (by coaches or players)? The only time a time-out can be called is when the play has already been called dead by an official or a team is taking the ball out of bounds.
Serious question, in what other sport(s) can a team call a timeout during live action ?
When the ball is out of bounds it's a dead ball. After a made basket, the ball has to be inbounded, therefore it is out of bounds.
Then why does the clock keep running? Isn't the clock suppose to stop on a dead ball?
i'm worried this could happen too. play some token full court pressure to chew up 5 seconds, then fall back into zone.
the job for the defense now is easier then ever.
love reducing the shot clock, but it only works if you add/change other rules too. illegal / defensive 3 seconds, call more fouls off the ball for restricting player movement, call handchecking/arm bars. but like cal said....refs and fans couldnt stomach it before...not sure what has changed in 2 years. so its likely now teams will just pack it in even more, play stallball.
That's true, but still doesn't change the fact that you can't get 80 shots in a college game if you're spending a lot of time running complicated patterns on offense. It's just not possible. Rupp was very, very much an advocate of what Mike D'Antoni modernized with the 7 seconds or less concept- take the first good shot, period.
Which raises a broader point in regards to what some other people have mentioned about teams just packing in zones. Those people are probably right about that happening, at least initially, and the game will probably be just as ugly as it's been for the last decade. However, what you hope for in the long term is that a significant number of coaches decide that the best way to attack defenses like that is to not let them get set-up in the first place. That's one of the basic philosophies of "7 seconds or less"- the quicker shot is often the better shot, because it's coming against a defense that isn't really organized. Maybe that would spur the return of the transition game, which has basically disappeared from college basketball.
I like most of the changes but do not like the reduction of the shot clock. Every reduction of the shot clock brings college basketball closer to the pro game.
Those that think this will speed up the game and increase scoring are wrong. IMO it is only going to increase the amount of zone defense played and giving less time to attack zones is going to turn the game into 3 point shooting contest. Even at 35 seconds way too often teams are only able to throw up last second desperation 3 point shots against zones. IMO with a shorter shot clock we will see even more of those desperation type 3 point shots thrown up as the clock winds down. IMO it is going to make attacking the basket more difficult and turn games into outside shooting contest when teams pack in zones to protect the rim.
Calipari will need to think less about recruiting athletic players and more about recruiting shooters. The dribble Drive Offense will be obsolete. Heck with the new rules I would zone press on every possession and make the offense use up a lot of time bringing the ball up court hoping to get 10 second calls and steals and fall back into a zone defense. IMO Calipari will need to reevaluate the way he plays the game.
IMO nothing was done to address the biggest problem in college basketball and that is the rough play by defenses. We are going to see even more of the hack and grab defense with more teams pressing. IMO these new rules are Pitinos dream came true.
Those that think this will speed up the game and increase scoring are wrong. IMO it is only going to increase the amount of zone defense played and giving less time to attack zones is going to turn the game into 3 point shooting contest. Even at 35 seconds way too often teams are only able to throw up last second desperation 3 point shots against zones. IMO with a shorter shot clock we will see even more of those desperation type 3 point shots thrown up as the clock winds down. IMO it is going to make attacking the basket more difficult and turn games into outside shooting contest when teams pack in zones to protect the rim.
Calipari will need to think less about recruiting athletic players and more about recruiting shooters. The dribble Drive Offense will be obsolete. Heck with the new rules I would zone press on every possession and make the offense use up a lot of time bringing the ball up court hoping to get 10 second calls and steals and fall back into a zone defense. IMO Calipari will need to reevaluate the way he plays the game.
IMO nothing was done to address the biggest problem in college basketball and that is the rough play by defenses. We are going to see even more of the hack and grab defense with more teams pressing. IMO these new rules are Pitinos dream came true.
Explain what you mean by illegal/defensive 3 seconds? I agree that the rough play by defenses needs to be cleaned up. The Refs need to call the fouls if they are fouls and if a coaches entire team fouls out a few times maybe he will change the way he defends. I think the rough play in the back court is going to increase because teams will be pressing and trapping more. I do not look forward to playing UofL and Arkansas with the new rules unless they call the fouls.
In the NBA you can't be in the lane (packed in zone) if the offensive player isn't in the paint. It's basically a 3 second call on the defense (just like the 3 seconds applies to the offense now). You can play zone but your players have to be outside the paint thus opening up the lane more.
Like I posted I am not a fan of the NBA and never watch it. I can not see any sense in that rule unless they call a technical and give the offense shots. If you just give the ball out of bounds to the offense the rule make no sense because they already have the ball. If you call a technical than you have in effect eliminated the reason for zone defenses because if you come over to help on defense you are going to get called for a block because of the NBA continuation rule. All this is IMO is just a sneaky way to outlaw zones. Heck if you do not want zones just outlaw them. I hope however that the colleges do not do that and just become more like the NBA.
I do not watch a lot of NBA either, so I could be wrong here, but I believe that the first time the defense is called for this infraction it is a warning. After that, it is a one-shot technical foul. Again, I could be wrong, but I believe this is the rule.
