NC lawmakers pass a bill saying UNC has to leave the ACC if they boycott NC again.

[Bill Derington]

Well I don't know the specifics of the ACC exit fee, I just know $50 million is peanuts compared to the ACC owning UNC and State's GOR until 2036. They absolutely own their media rights for damn near the next 20 years no matter where they play.

What I was getting at is if the State of North Carolina made all public Universities pull out of the conference it may make that agreement null and void.

That agreement was made to prevent schools from leaving for more lucrative conferences voluntarily.

 

[Hjack]

If that happens, UNC may have to cancel the false classes.

 

[~Keyser Soze~]

What I was getting at is if the State of North Carolina made all public Universities pull out of the conference it may make that agreement null and void.

That agreement was made to prevent schools from leaving for more lucrative conferences voluntarily.

They own their GOR no matter what? The ACC owns every member institutions media rights until 2036. If the State of North Carolina made all public Universities leave the ACC, UNC and NC State, the 2 public Universities in NC that are ACC schools would owe $50 million a piece in exit fees and the ACC would still own their media rights for the next 19 years.

 

[TriangleUKCat]

That guy is dismissed more or less with for not just this incident.

Local sports media having some fun with it too.

 

[barryn2000]

This proposed bill is a way to prevent the NCAA from pulling events for anything it chooses unfit. It's not the NCAA's role or function to wade into state law making.

100% dead on...

I'm so F'n sick and tired of every corporation and organization playing social engineer...especially sports organizations like ESPN & NCAA.

It's the Corporate SJW version of this:

 

[Bill Derington]

They own their GOR no matter what? The ACC owns every member institutions media rights until 2036. If the State of North Carolina made all public Universities leave the ACC, UNC and NC State, the 2 public Universities in NC that are ACC schools would owe $50 million a piece in exit fees and the ACC would still own their media rights for the next 19 years.

They owe 50 million if they willingly leave to join a more lucrative conference.

If the State says our schools are no longer going to play in a conference because we feel the conference is overstepping it's bounds in our lawmaking. That isn't leaving because the grass is greener.

I don't believe any of that would occur, if UNC or NC st want to leave the ACC they won't be paying 50 million.

 

[Blue wood]

So you think the "snowflakes" are the people who want everyone to be free to love whomever they choose, but the tough guys are people who want to force everyone to do what they do, even though it has no impact on their lives whatsoever? The ones who cower in fear of people who are different from them?
You have a very sound, logical, well-reasoned train of thought.

You are a friggin idiot.they dont want these transgender freaks in the bathrooms with their little girls. So yes,snowflakes

 

[~Keyser Soze~]

They owe 50 million if they willingly leave to join a more lucrative conference.

If the State says our schools are no longer going to play in a conference because we feel the conference is overstepping it's bounds in our lawmaking. That isn't leaving because the grass is greener.

I don't believe any of that would occur, if UNC or NC st want to leave the ACC they won't be paying 50 million.

OK, show me where that clause is in the ACC exit fee. Also themy giving up their media rights until 2036 is a much bigger deal than the exit fee. Bottom line, they aint going nowhere and everybody including the ACC knows it.

 

[blugrazz]

The Charlotte Ordinance was more than transgender determination of bathroom use. It included a broader discrimination definition, something about discrimination lawsuits, local minimum wage increases, etc. Only the transgender piece became the national face of the ordinance. Charlotte did these things in a sense to distinguish itself. The state government took issue mostly with Charlotte expanding their rule making authority and legislating contrary to them. This has been going on for years and probably decades as Charlotte rose to be the metro force in North Carolina. The legislature has been reining in decision making back to Raleigh. This was just another case and the transgender issue was the most idealogical component for the Republican legislature and governor to get behind.

 

[UKEE]

I don't give a crap about what side of this anyone is on but to have elected, paid reps. come up with crap like this is just mind boggling. Instead of focusing on stuff that matters, our so called elected officials are going off the deep end. Shaking my damn head.

 

[EastKYWildcat]

Because the NCAA has no right to get into a political scrum to try and sway laws in that state.

What if they decided to boycott KY because the state just approved bailing out the Yum Center? Its a matter the state handles, not the NCAA.

They don't have that right? Based on what?

 

[Bill Derington]

They don't have that right? Based on what?

Because the NCAA's function is to be the head of collegiate athletics. Not to wade into State political battles, where would you draw the line?

Should the NCAA remove events if it feels a state has too high of taxes on workers in a state?

The law had nothing to do with college athletics.

 

[TBCat]

Because they're expecting more retaliation, since they're presenting a new bill violating human rights. It's to the point where it seems like the NC legislature's sole function is to piss off as many people as possible, while simultaneously hurting it's own economy.
(Edit) so I guess it does relate to hb2 in that it shows they learned these types of bills are hurtful, but didn't learn to embrace freedom, but instead that they should try to insulate themselves when stripping personal liberties.

what the hell are you talking about. There is no personal liberty in a man entering a women's restroom.

 

[Ugoff]

I don't give a crap about what side of this anyone is on but to have elected, paid reps. come up with crap like this is just mind boggling. Instead of focusing on stuff that matters, our so called elected officials are going off the deep end. Shaking my damn head.

And likewise to have the NCAA boycotting a state because they don't like the will of the people is mind boggling. The NCAA is overstepping their bounds big time here.

 

[wentzel25]

what the hell are you talking about. There is no personal liberty in a man entering a women's restroom.

Maybe what you do in the bathroom differs from me, but the sign on the door has nothing to do with how I use a toilet. Also take into account, people who have had gender reassignment surgery and take testosterone, and therefore appear very masculine, would be forced to use the same restroom as little girls because the law only took into account the bits you were born with. So by letter of the law, HB2 actually forced big muscular guys to use the ladies room. ... and you support that.

 

[wentzel25]

And likewise to have the NCAA boycotting a state because they don't like the will of the people is mind boggling. The NCAA is overstepping their bounds big time here.

An organization should be able to choose where it holds its events. Agree or disagree? Or should the NCAA be forced to hold championships in Wyoming and Alaska as often as everywhere else because "fairness?"

 

[shakestheclown564]

And likewise to have the NCAA boycotting a state because they don't like the will of the people is mind boggling. The NCAA is overstepping their bounds big time here.

Overstepping their bounds? They have the right to host their events wherever they want. And more than half of the state supported repealing HB2.

 

[Ugoff]

Overstepping their bounds? They have the right to host their events wherever they want. And more than half of the state supported repealing HB2.

Bullcrap, they'll find out the hard way. They should not be extorting states over laws they don't like.

 

[shakestheclown564]

Maybe what you do in the bathroom differs from me, but the sign on the door has nothing to do with how I use a toilet. Also take into account, people who have had gender reassignment surgery and take testosterone, and therefore appear very masculine, would be forced to use the same restroom as little girls because the law only took into account the bits you were born with. So by letter of the law, HB2 actually forced big muscular guys to use the ladies room. ... and you support that.

Not to mention, how many guys have been forced to use (unoccupied) woman's restrooms at some point in their life. I would sure would hate to get arrested because the men's shitter was clogged and it was an emergency.

A lot of people keep bringing up being scared of what is going to happen to little girls, but they seem to not care about the little boys that would face those same theoretical predators if those attacks are so prevalent.

 

[nssdigitalchumps]

You are a friggin idiot.they dont want these transgender freaks in the bathrooms with their little girls. So yes,snowflakes

Wow, freaks? It must be tough to think with such a narrow state of mind.

 

[TBCat]

Maybe what you do in the bathroom differs from me, but the sign on the door has nothing to do with how I use a toilet. Also take into account, people who have had gender reassignment surgery and take testosterone, and therefore appear very masculine, would be forced to use the same restroom as little girls because the law only took into account the bits you were born with. So by letter of the law, HB2 actually forced big muscular guys to use the ladies room. ... and you support that.

That is absolutely the dumbest reasoning I have ever encountered. If you don't understand why there are mens rooms and women's rooms then you just aren't capable of having an intelligent discussion.

"HB2 actually forced big muscular guys to use the ladies room."

Again what the hell? There is absolutely no logic behind that statement. And you certainly can't quote the part of the law that forces big muscular men to use the ladies room. That's just dumb and it like most other complaints isn't in the law. That argument is just social media hysteria. There is nothing fact based about it.

 

[catben]

As the father of a girl, when she was younger and it was just me and her out, I would take her into the men's room with me when she had to use the restroom. That way I could protect her from harm.

In EVERY restroom(Women's and Men's) there are stalls for PRIVACY. SO......
-Why do we need a law for someone that wants to be DISCREET about their identity?
-Why would anyone that chose the bathroom they identify with, NOT WANT to be DISCREET?
-Who's going to CHECK anyone that goes into the so called "wrong bathroom"?

 

[Ugoff]

An organization should be able to choose where it holds its events. Agree or disagree? Or should the NCAA be forced to hold championships in Wyoming and Alaska as often as everywhere else because "fairness?"

I suppose they can. But there will be a cost. Look at ESPN, they are shedding subscribers by the millions because of their leftist ideology. But instead of fixing the problem they just double down on stupid because they won't admit they're wrong. People will reach their breaking point eventually.

 

[Madcat62]

In my house we all use the same bathrooms. It's not even controversial.

at the same time?

 

[barryn2000]

Overstepping their bounds? They have the right to host their events wherever they want. And more than half of the state supported repealing HB2.

So you think its just fine that the NCAA, a non profit btw, to pressure state governments?

Yank their F'n tax exempt status and I'll agree....

 

[Big10Cat]

Question for the NCAA: if Grayson Allen decided to self-identify as "Gracie" and play for the Duke women's team, that would be acceptable, right?

 

[shakestheclown564]

So you think its just fine that the NCAA, a non profit btw, to pressure state governments?

Yank their F'n tax exempt status and I'll agree....

Yeah, of course it's fine. There are a lot of non-profits that pressure government at all levels. Look at who is putting up the most money against marijuana legalization--it's often the Catholic church. There's also a ton of political and social advocacy non-profits out there.

You are going to have to pull a lot of church's status and a ton of other non-profits as well, including NRA, trade shows/conferences that have moved their events for political reasons. Non-profits can lobby with some restriction, "pressure", advocate for changes, etc. they just can't endorse candidates.

https://apps.americanbar.org/buslaw/blt/2009-03-04/mehta.shtml

I will say I don't really prefer the NCAA get involved in politics except as directly related to athletics, but I am free to not support them if it was that big a deal to me.

 

[barryn2000]

As the father of a girl, when she was younger and it was just me and her out, I would take her into the men's room with me when she had to use the restroom. That way I could protect her from harm.

In EVERY restroom(Women's and Men's) there are stalls for PRIVACY. SO......
-Why do we need a law for someone that wants to be DISCREET about their identity?
-Why would anyone that chose the bathroom they identify with, NOT WANT to be DISCREET?
-Who's going to CHECK anyone that goes into the so called "wrong bathroom"?

Funny how you contradict yourself....on one hand, you felt it necessary to protect your young daughter from harm when she had to go potty, but then turn 180 and argue that all that ever goes on in a bathroom is people going potty.

There are other things people need a discreet place for...and a bathroom is just perfect....isolated, no cameras, no witnesses...people removing their clothes

 

[barryn2000]

Yeah, of course it's fine. There are a lot of non-profits that pressure government at all levels. Look at who is putting up the most money against marijuana legalization--it's often the Catholic church. There's also a ton of political and social advocacy non-profits out there.

You are going to have to pull a lot of church's status and a ton of other non-profits as well, including NRA, trade shows/conferences that have moved their events for political reasons. Non-profits can lobby with some restriction, "pressure", advocate for changes, etc. they just can't endorse candidates.

https://apps.americanbar.org/buslaw/blt/2009-03-04/mehta.shtml

I will say I don't really prefer the NCAA get involved in politics except as directly related to athletics, but I am free to not support them if it was that big a deal to me.

Yank em all...Especially the churches. Some of the biggest con artists I've ever met called themselves Pastor.
If I had my way...there wouldn't be any group tax exempt.

However....none of the other organizations are subsidized with tax payer money like the NCAA is.

Good read on the NCAA non profit scam.

 

[BoulderCat]

Interesting stuff coming out of NC these days. I don't pretend to understand like those of you who live there. It's complicated I know. I'm just glad I moved to Colorado some 40 years ago. That was simple. Just get in your car, leave behind everyone and everything you'd ever known, and go someplace new. I highly recommend it.

 

[notelvis]

North Carolina declares war on Maryland!!

Well Maryland can keep their crab cakes.......

 

[notelvis]

Interesting stuff coming out of NC these days. I don't pretend to understand like those of you who live there. It's complicated I know. I'm just glad I moved to Colorado some 40 years ago. That was simple. Just get in your car, leave behind everyone and everything you'd ever known, and go someplace new. I highly recommend it.

I could handle living in Colorado......... all the basketball games on TV which start at 9pm eastern would be over by my bedtime that way.

 

[wentzel25]

I suppose they can. But there will be a cost. Look at ESPN, they are shedding subscribers by the millions because of their leftist ideology. But instead of fixing the problem they just double down on stupid because they won't admit they're wrong. People will reach their breaking point eventually.

I agree with this to a point, but if the NCAA doesn't hold events in NC, I think the only losers are NC. It's not a major market and events in MSG, the Superdome, etc. will always draw fans.
If we're talking just ACC they can use the new Falcons stadium, any of the ones in Florida, etc. They won't be hurting by pulling out of NC

 

[sambowieshin]

I have never had an issue with this bathroom issue. I don't know anyone or even know of anyone who has had an issue with this bathroom issue. It was not an issue until the idiot politicians made it an issue in order to garner votes from their gerrymandered constituents. Mole hill into a mountain.

 

[Chuckinden]

It wasn't just sexual gender, it was ridiculous from the get go.

THIS^^^^^

 

[Catmanic]

Maybe what you do in the bathroom differs from me, but the sign on the door has nothing to do with how I use a toilet. Also take into account, people who have had gender reassignment surgery and take testosterone, and therefore appear very masculine, would be forced to use the same restroom as little girls because the law only took into account the bits you were born with. So by letter of the law, HB2 actually forced big muscular guys to use the ladies room. ... and you support that.

 

[Chuckinden]

Because the NCAA has no right to get into a political scrum to try and sway laws in that state.

What if they decided to boycott KY because the state just approved bailing out the Yum Center? Its a matter the state handles, not the NCAA.

I agree. The NCAA should stick to "trying"(I know it's hard for them) to keep it's own house in order instead of wading into politics.

 

[Catmanic]

Wentzel - these guys will never understand the issues here concerning personal freedom. They do not even try to get it. Real life is too complicated for them to understand. You are wasting your time.

 

[Bill Derington]

Wentzel - these guys will never understand the issues here concerning personal freedom. They do not even try to get it. Real life is too complicated for them to understand. You are wasting your time.

We get it, really truly do, but we also believe in having a little GD common sense.

You don't get, or understand why HB 2 was even brought to reality. It wasn't what started this whole load of BS, what started it was the City of Charlotte creating a ridiculous ordnance to rile up voters. They said that if you identified with the opposite sex you could use that associated restroom or locker room.
Basically you could decide hour by hour what you felt like, it was idiotic.

NC countered with HB2, and now we're right back to where it all started before.

 

[wentzel25]

We get it, really truly do, but we also believe in having a little GD common sense.

You don't get, or understand why HB 2 was even brought to reality. It wasn't what started this whole load of BS, what started it was the City of Charlotte creating a ridiculous ordnance to rile up voters. They said that if you identified with the opposite sex you could use that associated restroom or locker room.
Basically you could decide hour by hour what you felt like, it was idiotic.

NC countered with HB2, and now we're right back to where it all started before.

While I have no doubt you personally understand, Bill, I don't think everyone is on the same page.
I'm not going to lie, I didn't think our discourse would go this way when we started the conversation, but I'm with you on several points. Namely, the Charlotte ordinance being ridiculous. Government shouldn't even wade into those waters.
At the same time, I think hb2 was a petty, childish response. Legislation that creates problems and is wholly unenforceable serves no purpose. That's what both of these measures were.