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LineSkiCat14 said:
GSW, even before Durant IMO, should have done whatever it took to keep that 2015-2016 team together. They dominated that year, and they lost the title due to Draymond's technical. That series was over in 5 or 6.

Why change that? They add Durant, ok sweet.. they maybe got better, by a little, but this team is now that much harder to keep together.

They should have kept their big 3 with that silly-good bench for support for the next 5-7 years, or longer, and be a legit dynasty.
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eh, that's incorrect.

You say it's harder to keep players with star, but it's quite the opposite.

Star players in general are always undervalued. KD is not a 31 million dollar player. Him and Lebron value is far higher than what they are getting paid for.

Also, you don't think after winning title that all the supporting cast wouldn't want a pay raise?

You usually can't get them to stay anyways. What will likely happen is with 4 stars, all they need to do is recruit all the "i want to win title, and will take any pay cut to get it" players. They are extremely valuable.
 
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Mashburned said:
Stupid Pelicans were hellbent on resigning Jrue Holiday. Maybe that's because they knew they couldn't sign a FA. Just sad watching AD and Boogie waste away. And Jrue fn Holiday make 125mil. He is really pitiful.

Id like to see Randolph go to SAC and toughen those young Cats up.
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Yeppp. The fact that AD and Cousins are on the same team and won't have a nice supporting cast is kinda sad. That's like a big man super team. 2 of the best bigs in the league (maybe ever for 1..2? Of em ) and it's gonna waste away. Jrue?? Really
 
WildMoon said:
eh, that's incorrect.

You say it's harder to keep players with star, but it's quite the opposite.

Star players in general are always undervalued. KD is not a 31 million dollar player. Him and Lebron value is far higher than what they are getting paid for.

Also, you don't think after winning title that all the supporting cast wouldn't want a pay raise?

You usually can't get them to stay anyways. What will likely happen is with 4 stars, all they need to do is recruit all the "i want to win title, and will take any pay cut to get it" players. They are extremely valuable.
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The same can be said of supporting cast asking for money, whether it's 3 or 4 stars on the team. We'll see how it goes. What GSW has isn't sustainable. They were able to bring in Durant because the Big3 were making, collectively, like 45-50million a year. That just changed by 15 million or whatever, and it's going to change again in 2 years, and again in 3.

No reason GSW couldn't keep the big3 indefinitely, especially with the salary cap expanding. Maybe bolster the frontcourt a bit with a top40-50 guy.
 
They won 32 games with Jrue going through a huge life crisis and then having to figure out how Cousins fits into the mold. They need to make more moves, for sure, but I don't think it's as bad as were making it out to be.

I think they're a 40 win team next year, right off the rip.
 
LineSkiCat14 said:
The same can be said of supporting cast asking for money, whether it's 3 or 4 stars on the team. We'll see how it goes. What GSW has isn't sustainable. They were able to bring in Durant because the Big3 were making, collectively, like 45-50million a year. That just changed by 15 million or whatever, and it's going to change again in 2 years, and again in 3.

No reason GSW couldn't keep the big3 indefinitely, especially with the salary cap expanding. Maybe bolster the frontcourt a bit with a top40-50 guy.
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Golden state isn't sustainable because what they succeed was super star being underpaid TREMENDOUSLY. It has nothing to do with whether they had Durant or not. It's because Curry was underpaid by at least 30 million. This contract would have happened any ways now.

You keep thinking that all those player's salary wouldn't have exploded. Also, Harrison Barnes are making 23+ now. He's barely making less than KD, but you think that it would have been easier to keep supporting cast.

Curry -> 40 mil now (this is more about his underpaid value for past few years, had to show respect here)

Klay -> 18 mil

KD -> (around 30 millIon expected)

DG -> 16.4 mil

just for the record, Harrison Barnes will be paid 25 million soon. Barely less than KD and KD is just game changer and Barnes is nothing... Andrew Bogut is 10+ mil. These two players doesn't even bring the value that KD does.

The gap between actual value of top players versus role players is tremendous. Also players like Shaun Livingston and Iggy would definitely ask for more money if KD wasn't on the roster. Not to mention, you are making a HUGE assumption on WHY GSW lost.
 
I understand the the salary cap expanding meant all salaries going up. My point is that GSW was in this superb scenario where a superstar was making grossly less than what he was worth. Klay and Draymond, almost making substantially less.. all this regardless of the salary averages in this cap or that cap.

Barnes got that money because Dallas thinks/thought he can be the star.

Livingston and Iggy SHOULD ask for more money, and that money would be there. It's just easier to make a strong bench with 3 stars than it is with 4. Iggy is meeting with the Rockets right now. Klay is already talking about life after GSW. Now, maybe with 3 titles in the Durant era negates any of this, if they can win the next two,

You really don't think GSW does win that title easily, in 9 out of 10 times? They were up 3-1 before the suspension and they basically just collapsed.
 
LineSkiCat14 said:
I understand the the salary cap expanding meant all salaries going up. My point is that GSW was in this superb scenario where a superstar was making grossly less than what he was worth. Klay and Draymond, almost making substantially less.. all this regardless of the salary averages in this cap or that cap.

Barnes got that money because Dallas thinks/thought he can be the star.

Livingston and Iggy SHOULD ask for more money, and that money would be there. It's just easier to make a strong bench with 3 stars than it is with 4. Iggy is meeting with the Rockets right now. Klay is already talking about life after GSW. Now, maybe with 3 titles in the Durant era negates any of this, if they can win the next two,

You really don't think GSW does win that title easily, in 9 out of 10 times? They were up 3-1 before the suspension and they basically just collapsed.
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you kind of proved my point... with barnes. That's what happens with supporting cast, because they believe more than they are.

Value of Durant is positive for whichever team they are on. You can't really over pay Durant (same for Lebron and Kawhi, and few other players). This is one of the reason why top players usually do well on a team, because their value is overwhelming undervalued, giving them huge advantage.

Paying Iggy and Livingston more is meaningless if you didn't have Durant. IT just makes for less valuable players, which weakens them. Also, you keep ignoring that Durant + Zaza is less than Barnes and Bogut. So the money isn't there to KEEP Iggy and Livingston, so your math isn't supporting it.

The more they win, the more players on that team will think, hey i am worth more. But reality is that they are benefiting off the 2 MVPS in Curry and KD.
 
If they can find out how to keep the vast majority of the team together, than it's a huge win. I don't have a problem with supporting cast thinking they are better than they are, that's going to happen with everyone. But they can keep these guys around. I'm not so concerned with Barnes, we'll see how much of a star he really is, maybe he just needed some additional time and GSW got a steal grabbing him for a few years.

It's not JUST Barnes and Bogut. They had to pay Livingston, which means now Iggy is probably gone. At what point do you start sacrificing the bench/6th man/lesser starting players? Does grabbing Durant mean GSW will lose not only Iggy, but Klay also? And as I said, if this turns into 3 titles.. then it's certainly worth it.

Do we think GSW is untouchable without 6th man Iggy next year (again that's assuming he's gone, he could stay)? It certainly hurts their depth.
 
Son_Of_Saul said:
If an entire planet full of cash, gold, and pearls suddenly fell onto Minnesota's home floor, there's still no justification for paying Jeff Teague $19 million/year.
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It's really not that bad of a deal if you compare it to some of the contracts that have been signed since the cap expanded. Teagues no slouch.
 
LineSkiCat14 said:
I understand the the salary cap expanding meant all salaries going up. My point is that GSW was in this superb scenario where a superstar was making grossly less than what he was worth. Klay and Draymond, almost making substantially less.. all this regardless of the salary averages in this cap or that cap.

Barnes got that money because Dallas thinks/thought he can be the star.

Livingston and Iggy SHOULD ask for more money, and that money would be there. It's just easier to make a strong bench with 3 stars than it is with 4. Iggy is meeting with the Rockets right now. Klay is already talking about life after GSW. Now, maybe with 3 titles in the Durant era negates any of this, if they can win the next two,

You really don't think GSW does win that title easily, in 9 out of 10 times? They were up 3-1 before the suspension and they basically just collapsed.
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That GSW team was also down 3-1 to the thunder and if Durant shown up in game 6 they wouldn't of even made the finals

Adding Durant not only made them better but got rid of their main competition. What if Durant didn't go to GSW? What if he stayed with the thunder or went to another contending team like his hometown wizards? Another super team might of been formed that GSW couldn't win against
 
LineSkiCat14 said:
If they can find out how to keep the vast majority of the team together, than it's a huge win. I don't have a problem with supporting cast thinking they are better than they are, that's going to happen with everyone. But they can keep these guys around. I'm not so concerned with Barnes, we'll see how much of a star he really is, maybe he just needed some additional time and GSW got a steal grabbing him for a few years.

It's not JUST Barnes and Bogut. They had to pay Livingston, which means now Iggy is probably gone. At what point do you start sacrificing the bench/6th man/lesser starting players? Does grabbing Durant mean GSW will lose not only Iggy, but Klay also? And as I said, if this turns into 3 titles.. then it's certainly worth it.

Do we think GSW is untouchable without 6th man Iggy next year (again that's assuming he's gone, he could stay)? It certainly hurts their depth.
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you kind of keep ignoring my points.

1. Durant and Zaza is CHEAPER than Barnes and Bogut. Which means they have LESS to give to Livingston and Iggy. They have MORE to give this year because of discount that Durant is providing.

2. Durant's value is so much better than "supporting" cast, that its silly. You might lose iggy but then gain someone like Rudy gay for pocket change. When you have 4 stars, maybe talented players will come join them for one year deal to win a title.

3. Team with Durant is so much better than team without durant. Not sure if you even realize this yet...GSW last year would be swept by this year's GSW.
 
WildMoon said:
you kind of keep ignoring my points.

1. Durant and Zaza is CHEAPER than Barnes and Bogut. Which means they have LESS to give to Livingston and Iggy. They have MORE to give this year because of discount that Durant is providing.

2. Durant's value is so much better than "supporting" cast, that its silly. You might lose iggy but then gain someone like Rudy gay for pocket change. When you have 4 stars, maybe talented players will come join them for one year deal to win a title.

3. Team with Durant is so much better than team without durant. Not sure if you even realize this yet...GSW last year would be swept by this year's GSW.
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Yea I don't see any reasonable argument for not signing KD and keeping Barnes/Speights/Rush/Bogut instead. When you can add the 2nd best player in the NBA who fits perfectly into your team style you don't blink, you do it.
 
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WildMoon said:
wow. That's quite a bit. why one year?
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philly had tons of money to pay this year and one year with an overpay to Reddick doesn't hurt Philly this year and they then have tons of money to re-up their talented draft picks as they go into those 2nd contracts.
 
USSLair said:
Looks like warriors are going all in. Iggy 3 years for $45.

No idea what Spurs offered, but I'd join Golden State.
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That's called over paying. Livingston will be gone now, and there's no way to resign all 3 of Curry, DG, KT. I'd let Iggy walk
 
Rupp'sRunt said:
That's called over paying. Livingston will be gone now, and there's no way to resign all 3 of Curry, DG, KT. I'd let Iggy walk
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No that's what I saw on ESPN. Plus dude Livingston and West are apparently already back in the fold if you trust ESPN
 
Rupp'sRunt said:
Then where's the money to pay DG and KT when the contracts are up?
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1. Thompson is on the books for 2 more seasons, and Green is on for 3. I'm pretty sure they're not worried about where the money is gonna come from right now.

2. Teams can go over the cap to retain their own free agents. Golden State is raking in the dough, so that still isn't a problem. As it stands now, both Livingston and Iguadala took less money to remain with the team. Durant says he is willing to do the same. Golden Stafe is sitting pretty right now.
 
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Damn, there goes Iggy. Won't be a fun few years, but people will still watch. I know I will.
 
K_TIME said:
philly had tons of money to pay this year and one year with an overpay to Reddick doesn't hurt Philly this year and they then have tons of money to re-up their talented draft picks as they go into those 2nd contracts.
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yep, and they are still under the floor. Shocked he did one year but then again he will make nearly as much in that one year than his whole tenure with the Clippers.
 
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