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NBA Draft Round 1 drcats2013 vs. UKNorse

Who will win the most titles in 7 years?

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Welcome players to the NBA Rupp Rafters Playoffs!!!

The goal was to see which team could win the most championships in 7 years.

Voters please review each team roster and their arguments and vote for the team you think best accomplished the objective. You will be allowed to change your vote. This round of voting is for 2 days.

@drcats2013 - Steph Curry, Lebron James, John Collins, CJ McCollum, Kemba Walker, Nikola Vucevic, Blake Griffin, Hassan Whiteside, Keldon Johnson, Danny Green, Rajon Rondo, Seth Curry

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@UKNorse - Nikola Jokic, Ja Morant, Kristaps Porzingis, Kelly Oubre Jr, Fred VanVleet, Mitchell Robinson, Markelle Fultz, Devonte' Graham, Lauri Markkanen, Deni Avdija, Obi Toppin, Alex Caruso
 
Starting Line up

PG - Ja Morant ------------------- 6'3 - 20 years old - ROY
SG - Fred VanVleet --------------- 6'1 - 25 years old
SF - Kelly Oubre Jr. ---------------6'7 - 24 years old
PF - Kristaps Porzingis - -------- 7'3 - 25 years old
C - Nikola Jokic ----------------- 7'0 - 25 years old

Bench

PG - Devonte Graham---------------6'1 - 25 years old
PG/SG - Alex Caruso---------------- 6'5 - 26 years old
PG/SG - Markelle Fultz------------- 6'4 - 22 years old
SF - Deni Avdija ----------------------6'9 - 19 years old - #1 International Prospect
PF - Lauri Markkanen ---------------7'0 - 23 years old
PF - Obi Toppin-----------------------6'9 - 22 years old - Naismith Trophy Winner
C - Mitchell Robinson---------------7'0 - 22 years old


Fun 1st round match up. I think both teams you can easily see how we decided to attack this draft. I wanted to build a young roster that can contend for all 7 years and I think I achieved that goal.

Added links to the players if you want to watch their highlights
 
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I wouldn't be surprised if Lebron pulled a Brady and kept being great well into his 40's though.
 
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PG - Steph Curry
SG - C.J. McCollum
SF - Lebron James
PF - John Collins
C - Nikola Vucevic

Bench:

Kemba Walker
Blake Griffin
Hassan Whiteside
Keldon Johnson
Danny Green
Rajon Rondo
Seth Curry

What can I say, I like my team. Sure, half my team will be eligible to draw social security by the end of the decade, but that doesn’t bother me. I’ve got some stone cold killers. I’ll never forget the stories my grandfather used to tell me about Lebron. He said he was so amazing that they showed his high school games on television (which I didn’t even realize was invented then).

Oh and Steph Curry. One of the greatest shooters to ever play the game. I always pretended to be him when playing in the backyard as a kid. Just imagine if they had a three point line when he entered the league..

Then there’s Rajon Rondo. What a guy to have on your bench. IMO, he played on the best Hall team not to win a title. I’ll never forget how emotional he and Magic were after their last battle before Magic’s tragic retirement.

Anyway, I’d appreciate any vote I can get here. You know what they say, the older the berry, the sweeter the juice. Do the right thing. Respect your elders.
 
I had to go with Norse on this one. The youth on his squad is helpful and the potential is unmatched. Plus, I have a soft spot for the former low-ranked recruits that make it big at mid-majors like Ja and VanVleet.
 
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Championships are so hard to come by and there are a lot of good teams in this 7 year scenario. Any team that looks like they could win multiple titles looks good and drcats has a team that will probably be the best next year. It’s just hard to look much further than that. I’m going to say drcats has the team that is most likely of all to win at least a title. But, I’m pretty high on Jokic and Morant and believe Toppin could end up being a very good player. By years 3 or 4 Norse could be very very good with a chance to win multiple titles.
 
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Closer than I thought... I was hoping my team wasn't going to be the first to play the NBA leagues retirement home :)

I certainly feel my potential starts to outweight the field at some point. Jokic, Porginzis, Vanvleet and Morant is such a strong 4 man crew as is... you are really just waiting 2 or so more years for everyone else to catch up!
 
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drcats probably has the favorite to win the first title, maybe first two. Bron and Curry? With McCollum and Kemba? Yeah, no other team touches that. His bench is sneaky good as well. I think he is guaranteed a title with that roster.

I don't foresee UKNorse's squad ever being a favorite for the title. Porzingas is another lower leg injury away from being done. Kelly Oubre as a starter? Jokic and Morant is a nice combo, but that bench? Caruso? Fultz? Eh.

I don't think this one is that close TBH.
 
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In all seriousness, I cannot for the life of me understand why this is so close, and no disrespect meant, whatsoever. It’s not “head to head over the next 7 years” it’s, “who will win the most titles amongst the 12 teams in the draft over the next 7 years” and there’s no rational way, IMO, to say Norse’s team would win more titles than mine. My squad is ready to win 2-3 titles NOW, and his could possibly win 1-2 in the coming years while battling amongst the other 10 teams that are really talented as well.
 
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Jokic at the ripe age of 25 has led his team to back to back WCF... I think people are finally seeing him as the superstar he is.

Porzingas + Jokic combo at 7' and 7'3 that can beat you inside and outside??? How many teams will be able to game plan for that in the playoffs

Morant is ROY and just led the Grizzilies to the playoffs as a ROOKIE.

Vanvleet is a scoring machine and a strong contributor of the 2019 Raptors championship

Kelly Oubre JR you'd have to pay attention to what he was doing this year to understand the pick. The entire league right now is trying to trade for this budding star

Devonte Graham - Snubbed from MIP very solid back up PG

Alex Caruso - Defensively is a stud and sneaky athletic did anyone not watch the playoffs? He started game 6

Fultz had a little redemption story this year for the Magic and his shoulder injury is finally gone. He may never be what the NBA thought he could be but is a super solid guard that is putting it together.

Lauri Markkanen is another 7'0 PF that can do everything that Porzingas can.. not bad for the same type of player coming off the bench

Mitchell Robison is averaging 2 blocks a game in only 20 minutes. Super raw prospect still but defensively good luck scoring on him.

Deni Avdija is a wildcard some are calling him the next Luka but at 6'9! Currently the #1 international prospect in the draft... I posted his highlights def check them out.

Obi Toppon - National Player of the year and the most ready of any of the NBA prospects in the draft. Saw a comparison on a recruiting service that compares him to Blake Griffin
 
In honor of the election and in the spirit of voting. My friends what about this particular matchup concerns you about my team.

Years 3 through 7 are definitely title years when you account for the elite talent and youth moving forward.

DrCats team is led by Lebron, Curry and Blake Griffin all three have serious injury concerns moving forward. I would like to think that my two 7'ers could also severely hamper Griffin and Lebron game inside not only now but as they continue to age.

If anyone of those three goes down I'm not sure they have the firepower to match? Plus you also have to think... all of those players he accumulated are volume scores. How are they going to play when they become spot up shooters?

Defense is going to be a huge problem as well with his aging team.

With a 7 year run IMO I'm better set up to win 3-4 Chips. I'll give DrCats the first two years.
 
UKNorse said:
In honor of the election and in the spirit of voting. My friends what about this particular matchup concerns you about my team.

Years 3 through 7 are definitely title years when you account for the elite talent and youth moving forward.

DrCats team is led by Lebron, Curry and Blake Griffin all three have serious injury concerns moving forward. I would like to think that my two 7'ers could also severely hamper Griffin and Lebron game inside not only now but as they continue to age.

If anyone of those three goes down I'm not sure they have the firepower to match? Plus you also have to think... all of those players he accumulated are volume scores. How are they going to play when they become spot up shooters?

Defense is going to be a huge problem as well with his aging team.

With a 7 year run IMO I'm better set up to win 3-4 Chips. I'll give DrCats the first two years.
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The question is, however, is my team dominant enough to have a great shot at 2-3 titles the first four years, and even though yours likely will be better than mine afterwards, is it that much better than the rest of the competition to win multiple titles? I would definitively say no.
 
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The question is, however, is my team dominant enough to have a great shot at 2-3 titles the first four years, and even though yours likely will be better than mine afterwards, is it that much better than the rest of the competition to win multiple titles? I would definitively say no.
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Eh my team is the youngest in the draft by design. Whether I was up vs. you or any other team my goal was years 3 through 7. Each team has their own issue whether its too many superstars sharing the ball or age as a factor.

My team is the only team in the draft where age is not a concern nor do I have any concerns about stars having a usage issue. Its a complete team that can share the ball and win 3-4 championships.

Not to mention I think my defensive height and length is going unnoticed. This team will be a pain in the ass to put out in the playoffs when we are going possession to possession March Madness style.
 
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Just because you’re young and age isn’t a concern for 7 years, doesn’t mean you have enough to compete for multiple titles. I say that really liking your team, but realistically I don’t see enough there to win multiple championships.
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I'm a very self aware person so I can see where I have a few unknowns that people have a question mark about.

I just want to continue to point out that a combination of Jokic and Murray was enough to make the WCF 2 years in a row. Beating out the likes of Paul George and Kawaii this time around.

A Jokic, Morant, VanVleet & Porzingas combination..... I just think thats scary squad moving forward with young pieces that will be getting better each day. It's just a young complete squad competing against aging vets. At some point that torch is passed and in my eyes vs. most teams in the draft that happens end of year 2 or 3.
 
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I voted Norse because otherwise what's the point of what we're doing here? There's a reason it's possible to assemble a team with LeBron and Steph in this format.

If voting doesn't properly consider that, why bother? We might as well draft Michael Jordan because there's no way you're beating a team with him on it.
 
GonzoCat90 said:
I voted Norse because otherwise what's the point of what we're doing here? There's a reason it's possible to assemble a team with LeBron and Steph in this format.

If voting doesn't properly consider that, why bother? We might as well draft Michael Jordan because there's no way you're beating a team with him on it.
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Oh, ok. You voted Norse because you didn’t like the way I drafted, not because you feel his team has a better chance at more titles in the next 7 years. That’s quite disappointing coming from you.

This also reeks of the same mentality had by those that hate Calipari for building teams with one and done players. “It ruins the integrity of the game”. “They’re just there for basketball not an education”. No, Cal builds teams to WIN and plays by the rules, and that’s just what I did here. Want to vote against because of THAT? By all means do, but don’t cheer for Cal and how he does things anymore.
 
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Oh, ok. You voted Norse because you didn’t like the way I drafted, not because you feel his team has a better chance at more titles in the next 7 years. That’s quite disappointing coming from you.

This also reeks of the same mentality had by those that hate Calipari for building teams with one and done players. “It ruins the integrity of the game”. “They’re just there for basketball not an education”. No, Cal builds teams to WIN and plays by the rules, and that’s just what I did here. Want to vote against because of THAT? By all means do, but don’t cheer for Cal and how he does things anymore.
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I voted for Norse because his team has a better chance of winning more titles in 7 years, since he followed the premise of building a team that will actually take the court for 7 seasons. I thought I made that pretty clear.

If I think Norse has a 20% chance of winning a title every season, and I think you have a 0% chance of winning a title after season 2, his odds are better unless you have much better odds at winning in those first two seasons. I don't think you even have the best 1-year team in any clear-cut way. So if your odds are 50% at best in year one and 33% in year two, those last five really hurt.

You might have 2 guys on your roster by the end of this. You won't be competitive at all by year 3. Any team with any sort of realistic chance to win most of the 7 seasons should win this matchup.
 
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I voted for Norse because his team has a better chance of winning more titles in 7 years, since he followed the premise of building a team that will actually take the court for 7 seasons. I thought I made that pretty clear.

If I think Norse has a 20% chance of winning a title every season, and I think you have a 0% chance of winning a title after season 2, his odds are better unless you have much better odds at winning in those first two seasons. I don't think you even have the best 1-year team in any clear-cut way. So if your odds are 50% at best in year one and 33% in year two, those last five really hurt.

You might have 2 guys on your roster by the end of this. You won't be competitive at all by year 3. Any team with any sort of realistic chance to win most of the 7 seasons should win this matchup.
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Interesting. I didn’t realize you were so high on Norse’s team to see a 20% probability per season, leaving only 80% to divide amongst the remaining 11 teams, including yours.
 
drcats2013 said:
Interesting. I didn’t realize you were so high on Norse’s team to see a 20% probability per season, leaving only 80% to divide amongst the remaining 11 teams, including yours.
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For what it's worth, I don't think you have a 50% chance in year one either. In a condensed format like this one, there are 12 teams better than any team in the real NBA, especially in the first couple of years.

That changes as the years pass and teams lose their best player, bench pieces, etc. It's why I built my team the way I did. There's less competition in years 5-7 than 1-3.

If you'd prefer, drop Norse's % to 10-12 and yours to 33 and 25 and run those numbers. The point is the same.

You mentioned Cal's way of building a team. Had you rather us knock on the door every single year or pin all our hopes in one or two teams per decade?
 
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For what it's worth, I don't think you have a 50% chance in year one either. In a condensed format like this one, there are 12 teams better than any team in the real NBA, especially in the first couple of years.

That changes as the years pass and teams lose their best player, bench pieces, etc. It's why I built my team the way I did. There's less competition in years 5-7 than 1-3.

If you'd prefer, drop Norse's % to 10-12 and yours to 33 and 25 and run those numbers. The point is the same.

You mentioned Cal's way of building a team. Had you rather us knock on the door every single year or pin all our hopes in one or two teams per decade?
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If I was building for a fanbase and real life organization, no way I’d draft this team. You’re stuck with what you have and cannot sign free agents or draft each year. However, this is fantasy, and the objective is to win the most titles in 7 years, and that’s what I played to. Yet again, I had a mid late round pick, and I felt this was the best way to build a competitive team. Go all in on win now. To say I only have two years is a bit dramatic. I have 3-4 years realistically without injury.

Cal’s objective is to give his team the best chance to win a title year in and year out, so he does what he has to do, even if it isn’t conventional. That’s my point, and that’s the similarity with what I’m doing in this format by giving my team the best opportunity to win the most titles. It’s frowned upon, but idgaf about that if it works, and neither does Cal.

Just like our rivals that claim they’d rather lose than win our way with Cal, you’d love to have this team. When you lose in your round, I can add you as an honorary assistant, if you’d like.
 
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If I was building for a fanbase and real life organization, no way I’d draft this team. You’re stuck with what you have and cannot sign free agents or draft each year. However, this is fantasy, and the objective is to win the most titles in 7 years, and that’s what I played to. Yet again, I had a mid late round pick, and I felt this was the best way to build a competitive team. Go all in on win now. To say I only have two years is a bit dramatic. I have 3-4 years realistically without injury.

Cal’s objective is to give his team the best chance to win a title year in and year out, so he does what he has to do, even if it isn’t conventional. That’s my point, and that’s the similarity with what I’m doing in this format by giving my team the best opportunity to win the most titles. It’s frowned upon, but idgaf about that if it works, and neither does Cal.

Just like our rivals that claim they’d rather lose than win our way with Cal, you’d love to have this team. When you lose in your round, I can add you as an honorary assistant, if you’d like.
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If other people wanted your players, they'd have been taken before you got the chance to draft them. Or is your argument that people just forgot about LeBron James? Why didn't you take him in the first round?

That gets back to my original point. If we're always just going to reward the team with LeBron or people are going to refuse to understand and participate in the stipulations of the draft, we might as well not bother.

A team whose whole claim is they might win 2 out of 7 and then not field a team the last 4 years advancing runs contrary to the entire spirit of the exercise.
 
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If other people wanted your players, they'd have been taken before you got the chance to draft them. Or is your argument that people just forgot about LeBron James? Why didn't you take him in the first round?

That gets back to my original point. If we're always just going to reward the team with LeBron or people are going to refuse to understand and participate in the stipulations of the draft, we might as well not bother.

A team whose whole claim is they might win 2 out of 7 and then not field a team the last 4 years advancing runs contrary to the entire spirit of the exercise.
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Of course he wasn’t forgotten, but a lot of people focused more on youth, and I fielded a team of stone cold killers ready to go from day one. I also have Steph, CJ McCollum, John Collins, Kemba coming off the bench as well as Blake Griffin. It’s not just a Lebron thing. Lebron alone does not and should not hold weight in a stacked draft like this.

Forget assistant coach, you can handle the marketing and fan management. One more sour post and I’ll have to leave you out all together, and I’d really hate to do that.
 
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