So it is based on TV revenue and UK was 9th amongst all college football teams in TV viewership. Hope that answers this for you!
My Greatest Fear for UK Football
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A playoff for this program would need to be from a 128 team pool.
Member schools cannot be removed unless they do something egregious AND get voted out by a 2/3 majority. Google can help you avoid contemplating nonsensical scenarios.
This is true. The only way to dissolve the league is with a 3/4 vote. Schools not included in any upgrade would veto. The league office has shown loyalty to all members, as they have a fiduciary responsibility to do, and if the commissioner's office negotiated in bad faith, then they woul dget sued by the schools being left out. It's important to understand how contractual relationships/associations are governed and I can see many commenting who have a deficit of understanding in this regard.
I like this, though I would actually love a set up like Euro football where teams can rise up or be relegated based upon performance. Top team rise and bottom teams drop to the lower league annually or maybe you judge over 2-3 year blocks of time. This incentivizes excellence and punishes ineptness.
A well thought out socialistic answer to the problem. Never took you for a Bernie bros.
I’d rather be in a conference with Lou, Cincy, IU WVU type programs if we never plan to step up and compete in the SEC.
Who wants to get their bell rung every Saturday in the fall? We need new leadership fast.
Who wants to get their bell rung every Saturday in the fall? We need new leadership fast.
Here is another published accounting. We are not far off.
18. Kentucky Wildcats: $11.2 million
17. Arkansas Razorbacks: $11.5 million
16. Auburn Tigers: $11.58 million
15. Tennessee Volunteers: $11.6 million
14. Virginia Cavaliers: $12.7 million
13. Michigan State Spartans: $13 million
12. Indiana Hoosiers: $13.6 million
11. Penn State Nittany Lions: $13.7 million
There is nothing to prove these are accurate. There are zero true NIL reportings. Tenn has multiple collectives and one of them supposedly raised more than what this says they spent. Ole Miss shows up way down these lists, even though they are able to out pay for top players consistently. Im not saying UK isn’t 18th, but these numbers are not true
Someone isn't reporting correct numbers, AU is spending double that amount on their NIL. They spent nearly that much on a HS qb. Pulled multiple 5* WR.
Huh? There is zero chance UK is left out of a 48 team league. UL is a team is who legitimately worry about its future in big time football bc A) it's brand is not attractive, B ) its academics are poor (this is important to college presidents. UK does not have these worries.
If the field were cut to 20 or so, then yes, there is concern. but, at some point, Alabama can't play Ohio state every week so I don't think this would ever happen. The big 10 and SEC schools are untouchable.
Tennessee fans absolutely keenly aware that 11.6M isn’t even remotely close to giving them a team capable of competing. Thought you didn’t want to be mediocre. Better pony up big time. If you all want to be a power so bad, get 20M together you can be Ohio State or Oregon. Coz even the upper mid tier SEC teams are aware that’s what it takes to get to the top.
Some of these things should settle out after the settlement operations start taking place. The athletic departments have been afforded a greater degree of control again and shouldn’t be as much haphazard contribution or spending as much as it will be calculated decisions by admins. Schools will be paying profit share and NIL to players and any outside NIL deals aren’t going to be this ‘collective’ world we live in as much because any NiL deal of size is going to be assessed for legitimacy by an established board of review.
I screenshotted it from Sports Talk J. He’s a Tennessee football guy. It’s from that video I linked earlier.
The only concern there —- we don’t know if that actually could just inflate the contract value of prospective players. You’re talking about a big arms race that may begin as soon as universities get the green light. More cash to all the big schools as immediate resource equals bigger contract potential for NIL suitors. That part is speculation but I think a valid concern. As for our school, I feel pretty confident that both football and basketball fans might wind up dissatisfied on this front, as our AD (and I strongly disagree with this view) sees the athletic department as a collective unit with mostly equal coexisting parts. I fear we will be devoting big money relative to many other schools on programs that really don’t matter much to the commonwealth such as women’s rugby and water polo being treated as having the same value as football and basketball. Or at least that’s how I interpreted some comments made on the KSR radio show a few months back. Could be disastrous if true.
Could be. Once the settling out starts, and I’ve held this opinion since the day of the Ed obannon ruling, is this eventually ends in collective bargaining or it doesn’t end. The biggest problem to this point is that it’s all being driven by fragmented court rulings and a largely mia ncaa.
Those numbers aren’t real. Auburn is beating Bama for all the top in state recruits. They outbidding a lot of teams higher on that list. Ole Miss dominated the portal last year and doing alright this year. They are not doing that by spending less than UK is. Tenn has a 2 mil qb. They just paid for another 5 star OT and the #1 overall player in ‘26. I don’t believe the garbage that UK has the worst NIL is the SEC but they are not almost even with Tenn
UGA isnt toward the top, we miss every kid looking for a payday. It's really not hard to tell who is spending big. In the portal the big spenders are Auburn, who is being fundamental by the yellowwood guy, OM who has a big booster involved with Realtree, ATM who has multiple big booster and Missouri. UGA has zero from the portal. Our big booster is a liquor distributor.
The SEC isn't going to drop any current members, ever. Insanity
The B1G has more garbage teams in it anyway
The B1G has more garbage teams in it anyway
As I have observed now for the last two years I have come to a conclusion that I would have laughed at and thought it crazy for the last 60 years of my life, but UK would be better off to not be in the 64 teams you speak of! Here me out and then think about it. As of the moment do you really think UK, with the current NIL rules - will EVER have a winning season again? I personally doubt it - unless we move down to a conference that isn't in the group of 64 you speak of!
Now think about this - would you rather go to games and see us win 9, 10 or 11 games a year and make a decent bowl game or go to the stadium and watch us win one or zero conference games and end up 3-9, 4-8 or maybe 5-7 every now an then? UK fans have shown themselves to be resilent in the past - because we always thought we could build a team. But when we were lousy - many years the crowds, after the 3rd home game or homecoming, became less than 2/3 full. Its not fun going to the games after spending a $1,000 on everything to go to that game to get crushed! Fans will not support a team in lousy weather that has no chance to win either. That is the current future of UK football as long as this NIL situation is not fixed in some way! I want to say this - UK can NOT fix NIL! It has to come from all the schools doing something as a group! Will that happen - probably not! Why - TEXAS has so much money as an example - they like it this way! They will buy championships! It's not just TEXAS either - and everyone on this board realizes this fact!
But just think, if we were playing in a conference like the ACC, as it exists at the moment - we could reasonably expect to win 8 or more games every year - because we would be playing teams on even footing. Do you think the Tulane fans have been having fun at the Stadium the last 2 years? That could be us! But that will not happen in the SEC. We let that dream get away over 50 years ago - when UK refused to get in the football arms race. After the late 50's we just didn't care about football enough on the right levels to be competitive. We could have competed with Ole Miss and Alabama - but we liked being the Basketball only champions! Football was something to do before Keeneland opened and basketball season began! I'm just sharing facts - I'm not saying its the fans fault here. We had great fans - fans that deserved so much more than they got! Even now, the football fans are not taken seriously by the UK administration! How many years have fans complained about sound systems, wifi and various other things at the stadium - and most still hasn't been addressed. We can pay a coach $9 million - but we can't fix the sound system - come on! This is just a drop in the bucket of things. Only about 15 -20 schools in the entire country can compete in professional college football now. UK is not one of them.
Go Big Blue!
0% CHANCE the SEC would leave UK out. Even if it was for football only, they have been a SEC member for a very long time. That is silly to even think it. there will be average / middle of the road teams, not all teams will be elite.
Nowhere in my post did I even remotely suggest that. UK is far from a cupcake. Just ask Ole Miss and several other top programs we have beat. ONE losing season and fans are acting like we have been Joker Phillips era bad the last 10 years. Fair weathered fanning at its finest.
They may or may not be true, but you can't refute published reports with "because I said so" and not provide data to support your thesis. I'd love to see any information you've seen to shed more light on this.
Ric neuheisel ( cs.? ) today suggested that one thing the group of five schools need to do is cultivate working relationships with a power four school or two. For instance they woukd say to Alabama or Georgia or UK send us your backups who you don’t expect to play this year . We will coach them . Give them playing time and give them back to you the next year . That might be one way the group of five survive . Otherwise , due to finances it is going to be tough for them to survive .
The pier 4 poached 277 players from the group of five last year and 88 of them were all conference on first or second team.
Interesting times.
The pier 4 poached 277 players from the group of five last year and 88 of them were all conference on first or second team.
Interesting times.
You have a better answer- I said each school keep its on revenue. E.g. Tennessee generates 3 times the income from football that UK does.
Where did your list come from? I have searched many times and can’t find any list of what each school paid. What I can find and it is on several sites that Sanders and Hunter have combined NIL deals over 10 million. Now most of that isn’t from a collective. Yet Colorado is not in the top 20 of that list. ON3 has them two making more than UK and Tenn paid their teams, according to this list.
On3 has a list of the collectives that have raised the most money and Tenn’s Spyre is #2 behind only OSU’s biggest collective. Yet that list has them 15th. Again my question is where did they get that? BBH said his came from Sports Talk J. Is that a credible source, a YouTube channel? They got these numbers when no one else can? Sorry I don’t buy it
On3 has a list of the collectives that have raised the most money and Tenn’s Spyre is #2 behind only OSU’s biggest collective. Yet that list has them 15th. Again my question is where did they get that? BBH said his came from Sports Talk J. Is that a credible source, a YouTube channel? They got these numbers when no one else can? Sorry I don’t buy it
We will have to wait and see what the current bill in federal court does. NIL is set to change in a big way, and with the ncaa having to pay players now, the next few years will look diffrent.. The proposed rule is any NIL deal over $600 would have to go through a clearing house, and if deemed not based on NIL standards, be rejected. Will have to wait and see what the standards are, and how they are enforced. If this passes, I think these huge numbers are going to drop very quickly.
Michigan just spent 12m on their QB for the 25 class, they are pulling kids wanting 1-2m out of portal, if you think they did that with 16m I really don't know what to tell you. As for links you can look them up if you don't believe the numbers, but they were quite proud of paying 12m for the QB. Tn spent 8m on their QB, that's the first big NIL deal, surely you know about it, but they spent 3.1m on the rest of their roster. Tn just announced they are adding 10$ NIL tax to their tickets, 105,000 per game, x7 games, 7.5m talent tax just from ticket sales, you think they are getting less than 3m from all their other sources?
Don't have to watch much bowl football to tell there's a whole lot of teams better than UK. JMO.
Back when the conference had 12 teams, and there was no SEC Network, we were second only to Bama in revenue produced by our Tier 3 rights . . . for one locally broadcast FB game, two basketball games, and other sports.
And there is an interesting (and frequently forgotten) reason for Kentucky’s strong market value for the SEC and the SEC Network: we form the Southern/Southwestern border of 4 states that host no SEC teams.
The MASSIVE diaspora of Kentucky folk into states to our North had a long-lasting effect on our market value: move one state North of Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, and Louisiana, and you are still in the SEC footprint. Hence, even if your allegiance remains with your former (more Southern) State, you have no net affect on SEC viewership: you are still in the footprint. Kentucky fans in Michigan,
Ohio, etc., have proven inter-generational.
Kentucky’s old “Kentucky Network” included (at varying times) TV stations in Chicago, Cleveland, Indy, Detroit, Cincy (duh), West Virginia, etc., etc., etc., along with radio stations in the mid-west. Our radio and TV announcer’s frequently bragged of having the largest University based TV and Radio network in the nation. The eyes once cast on local broadcasts in those states North of us are now subscribers to the SEC Network.
And we surrendered all of that (well, 90 percent of it) with the establishment of the SEC Network, and have still profited handsomely.
The numbers ranking the schools based on market value of Tier 3 rights was shocking: Bama just over 10 million; Kentucky at 9.5 million, thence trending down to the Mississippi’s and Vandy, each below 2 million.
Kentucky is one of the last 4 programs that will ever be overlooked by conference affiliation, along with Bama, Texas, and Texas A & M (and maybe Oklahoma).
The fear of poor football costing us our conference status is misplaced: the last objective financial/market measurement of our literal value was 2011/12, when we had posted an overall losing record the prior 50+ years . . . next-to-last in the SEC, but still the second most valuable “property” within the conference.
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Auburn sat out of the portal last year and focused on high school recruiting. They were building a cash reserve to unload in the portal this year.
Forget receivers I bet they spent 6-8m on their 2 QB’s.
Stoops here for another year is a nightmare . My god with the mass exodus of players, and the schedule next year , it's going to get dreadfully ugly . THANKS MITCH your asinine contracts
