Murray will be a higher draft pick then Buddy Heild because..
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Theres not much that separates them skillset-wise. Both share similar strengths/weaknesses.
Yep. This isn't rocket science.
Of course, that colloquialism doesn't really work in this instance. Rocket science is easier than predicting future NBA performance of college players.
Murray has better ball skills than Hield. He's also much younger and just as athletic.
I don't think Hield will be a great NBA player tbh. I think Murray is an eventual all star. His aggressiveness and ball skills translate very well.
I don't think Hield will be a great NBA player tbh. I think Murray is an eventual all star. His aggressiveness and ball skills translate very well.
The NBA isn't going to ignore the fact that when he was 19, Hield was averaging 7.8 ppg on 39% shooting, 24% from 3. Even last year, he only shot 41.2% and 36% from 3. He's having an epic senior year, but he will be 23 years old a few months into his NBA rookie season. He also lacks versatility. He's a scoring guard, and scoring guard only, without the size to play anything but the 2, and with absolutely no chance that he can run the point.
The draft is so weak this year, and 3 point shooting has become so valuable, that I think someone takes him in the top 10, but I'm doubting top 5. Murray, OTOH, has a chance to crack the top 5 if he finishes out the year anywhere close to how he's played the last few weeks
The draft is so weak this year, and 3 point shooting has become so valuable, that I think someone takes him in the top 10, but I'm doubting top 5. Murray, OTOH, has a chance to crack the top 5 if he finishes out the year anywhere close to how he's played the last few weeks
How come both just can't be great players? It doesn't need to be either or.
They can. But one has to be drafted higher than the other, since NBA teams can't take 2 guys with the same pick.
Murray is a smarter pick because he's just now scratching the surface of his potential.
Heild is NBA ready right now but I doubt he'll get a lot better.
Murray is potentially a franchise player someday.
Heild is NBA ready right now but I doubt he'll get a lot better.
Murray is potentially a franchise player someday.
Not necessarily. Someone could make a trade so that they have back-to-back picks, pick Hield then Murray, and then say "we wanted them both exactly equally so we took Hield first because we just went alphabetically so as not to show favoritism."
So TECHNICALLY, one has to go first but it is possible for them to have the exact same value to the point that realistically they are viewed as equals.
The reason Murray will be drafted higher is because he's only 18 years old and Hield is 22 years old. Heild was nowhere near as good as today's Murray back when he was 18, and Murray will be better than Hield is now when he's 22.
NBA teams draft the projected player they think you can become in the future, NOT the player you are right now.
NBA teams draft the projected player they think you can become in the future, NOT the player you are right now.
LOL No way Buddy goes top 3. Murray will go top 5 though. Buddy will go somewhere between 8-20.
I was going to say that sounds pretty elaborate, but then I remembered that Minnesota essentially did exactly that in 2009.
They drafted PGs 5th and 6th, Ricky Rubio and Jonny Flynn. Of course the punchline is the other PG who went 7th...Steph Curry.
Regardless, Rubio would make more money and have bragging rights. Seemingly, Flynn never recovered from the taunts.
Both players are neck and neck but Hield wins by a overbite at the finish line! .....sorry I couldn't help myself.
Murray is a better ball handler and passer. He is Pg with size on the next level. We get caught up with what he does for us and we compare him to NBA guys like Curry. Truth is he more comparable to Jason Kidd with a better shot. When he goes to work out Murrays stock will climb. When they interview him and he shows more pg skills. His game is made for the NBA won't be surprised to see him go as high as 3 or 4
. By potential? What does he do better than buddy now? I can't point to one thing.
Probably because he's already hitting 50% of his 3s. Were he to get "a lot better" we'd discover that he's an alien or a lab experiment.
Suns will draft him... They are in desperate need of another guard from UK.
obtw they are trying to play Archie as a 2/3. Just heard coach Watson yesterday. He sounds like a guy who might be a good coach someday. He actually talks more like a college coach.
There's only one way to definitively settle this.
Somebody make both players in NBA 2k16 with comparable ratings to present day. Compare buddy's rookie season stats to murrays stats after his 4th season with progression. My guess is Murray will have a star next to his name and buddy will have a 3 next to his.
Somebody make both players in NBA 2k16 with comparable ratings to present day. Compare buddy's rookie season stats to murrays stats after his 4th season with progression. My guess is Murray will have a star next to his name and buddy will have a 3 next to his.
Murray will go higher in the draft because his name isn't "Buddy". That name alone drops Buddy 5-6 spots.
Well they both turn it over and assist at the same rate. Only difference is buddy has the ball in his hands at least twice as much. Buddy is a much better shooter and actually plays defense. Murray is not better all around. Can he get better sure. But he doesn't do anything better than the POY
Murray is a much better ball handler is less prone to turnovers. Better passer will play pg in the NBA. He is already close in shooting ability he is a better passer. He is asked to be the primary scorer hers but with team Canada he distributed the ball well and when needed took over the game at 18 years old dominating the Team USA pg. He is much more explosive than people realize with a 39.5 vertical. Sorry Murray goes 3 to 5 spots higher than Buddy
Buddy is not that much better of a shooter. Murray has worked his poor shot selection problem out and is burning up the nets at well over 50 percent from 3 the last 5 games. Sorry right now they are not far apart. With Buddy being a slightly better shooter and defender and Murray being a better passer and ball handler. Now that means tho with Murray just being 18 and buddy being 22 Murray will be drafted higher
As a freshman Murray is developing and so no because of poor shot selection and learning the college game the stats don't. Murray is a pg who gets to the rim at will against anybody. He plays 2g for us but is a pg and projects that in the NBA so you would need to look at his international performance with team Canada to notice more of his primary ball handling and passing skills as we already have one of the best points in the game. His vertical was measured at the hoops summit. He is taller with longer arms. With his improved understanding of the college game and improved shot selection he is now shooting over 50 percent from 3 the last 5 games so no th e overall stats do not show that.
Because he damn sure isnt as ugly as Hield(ho homo) cant have a face like Hield be the ...face of your franchise.....
I agree. Meeks had multiple 40+ games his last season and was one of the top scorers in the country. Tho I believe if he was able to play in the tourney that year he could have been drafted higher. That said Murray if the better athlete and has proven himself in hoops summit and this season
Im not saying he won't be drafted higher, I'm saying buddy is overall a better player than murray. Hield takes AND makes these shots that murray cannot hit. If you've watched hield at all, he takes shots that would be ill advised for jamal, but held makes them. You're trying to put murray's stats during his recent hot streak against the numbers that hield has hit over 5 times as many games-----and hield is still shooting better. We are arguing over two very good players---just which one is king so far----imo, its easily hield
