Moody's blues... aka leg cramps

[SmyrnaCatFan]

Moody's 3pt technique is such that I was not surprised that he succumbed to leg cramps Tuesday night. After his first made three, I commented to my son that if he continued like that he would have no legs by the end of the game. I was thinking, erroneously, that his accuracy would diminish because of fatigue. His accuracy may have but his success did not. There were some awful looking shots that went in.

Anyway, because of the amplitude of his jumps, the effort required to achieve that height, and the constant harassment by our guards the energy stores in his calves were depleted and the cramps ensued. Judging by his gait, my guess both legs were affected. Kudos to the lad for exemplary effort but conditioning can only go so far.

 

[StubbornPenny]

Jumps are measured in amplitude?

 

[SmyrnaCatFan]

Originally posted by StubbornPenny:
Jumps are measured in amplitude?

Sorry I meant "altitude" although he did seem to vibrate some while in the air.

 

[Cychologist]

I was also surprised they gave him two bottles of Gatorade and expected that to cure him in a few minutes. As a cyclist I drink a sports drink to prevent leg cramps, but once you get them to digest the electrolytes in a sports drink takes too long. Massage and stretching helps, and mustard or pickle juice is more effective/quicker than Gatorade.

Of course prevention with proper hydration is important. But you tend to get cramps when you exert yourself beyond what your training has prepared you for. And that young man certainly was exerting himself to the max.

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[wldktz8]

Originally posted by Cychologist:
I was also surprised they gave him two bottles of Gatorade and expected that to cure him in a few minutes. As a cyclist I drink a sports drink to prevent leg cramps, but once you get them to digest the electrolytes in a sports drink takes too long. Massage and stretching helps, and mustard or pickle juice is more effective/quicker than Gatorade.

Of course prevention with proper hydration is important. But you tend to get cramps when you exert yourself beyond what your training has prepared you for. And that young man certainly was exerting himself to the max.

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That is a good indication of how these teams actually showing up when the play UK. Who wouldn't want a crack at beating UK. It's a lifetime a bragging rights. From seeing him play he may be one of the most athletic players in college today. They were saying in the Ole Miss dunk contest he one hand slammed from the free throw line.

This post was edited on 1/8 1:48 PM by wldktz8

This post was edited on 1/8 1:48 PM by wldktz8

 

[preacherfan]

Originally posted by SmyrnaCatFan:
Moody's 3pt technique is such that I was not surprised that he succumbed to leg cramps Tuesday night. After his first made three, I commented to my son that if he continued like that he would have no legs by the end of the game. I was thinking, erroneously, that his accuracy would diminish because of fatigue. His accuracy may have but his success did not. There were some awful looking shots that went in.

Anyway, because of the amplitude of his jumps, the effort required to achieve that height, and the constant harassment by our guards the energy stores in his calves were depleted and the cramps ensued. Judging by his gait, my guess both legs were affected. Kudos to the lad for exemplary effort but conditioning can only go so far.

We've had a few players have cramps too. I think Delk had a problem with them and one of our players within the last year or so did too. Who was that?

 

[preacherfan]

Originally posted by Cychologist:
I was also surprised they gave him two bottles of Gatorade and expected that to cure him in a few minutes. As a cyclist I drink a sports drink to prevent leg cramps, but once you get them to digest the electrolytes in a sports drink takes too long. Massage and stretching helps, and mustard or pickle juice is more effective/quicker than Gatorade.

Of course prevention with proper hydration is important. But you tend to get cramps when you exert yourself beyond what your training has prepared you for. And that young man certainly was exerting himself to the max.

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OT - I was a distance runner in college but that was a long time ago. I find now that I get cramps early in a jog and also in the middle of the night. Do you ever have either experience and how do you handle it when you do?

 

[Blueaz]

on Dan Patrick, Cal inferred that he felt the cramps were the reason we won...and the reason for the cramps the unrelenting defense, causing Moody to work so hard

 

[far_away_fan]

Originally posted by Blueaz:

on Dan Patrick, Cal inferred that he felt the cramps were the reason we won...and the reason for the cramps the unrelenting defense, causing Moody to work so hard

FYI: Imply means that you hint at something without actually stating it. Infer means that you reach a conclusion that was implied rather than made explicit. Having heard the interview in question, as I recall, Cal neither implied nor inferred that the cramps were the reason we won. He just stated that outright.

(I'm aware perfect grammar isn't the least bit important on a message board. However, confusing infer and imply is pretty common, and maybe this tidbit will clear it up in case you have forgotten the difference.)

 

[LineSkiCat]

Not to mention, there weren't just catch-and-shoots. Some of his threes were from sprinting along the arch and launching himself 3-4 feet in the air. You're talking a lot of force not only vertically but also horizontally.

 

[Cychologist]

Originally posted by preacherfan:OT - I was a distance runner in college but that was a long time ago. I find now that I get cramps early in a jog and also in the middle of the night. Do you ever have either experience and how do you handle it when you do?

Try the pickle juice or a tablespoon of mustard. It really works! (I carry a pack of mustard with me on my 50+ mile bike rides, especially in the spring when I am not in shape yet.)

 

[Seth C]

Originally posted by wldktz8:

Originally posted by Cychologist:
I was also surprised they gave him two bottles of Gatorade and expected that to cure him in a few minutes. As a cyclist I drink a sports drink to prevent leg cramps, but once you get them to digest the electrolytes in a sports drink takes too long. Massage and stretching helps, and mustard or pickle juice is more effective/quicker than Gatorade.

Of course prevention with proper hydration is important. But you tend to get cramps when you exert yourself beyond what your training has prepared you for. And that young man certainly was exerting himself to the max.

.

That is a good indication of how these teams actually showing up when the play UK. Who wouldn't want a crack at beating UK. It's a lifetime a bragging rights. From seeing him play he may be one of the most athletic players in college today. They were saying in the Ole Miss dunk contest he one hand slammed from the free throw line.

This post was edited on 1/8 1:48 PM by wldktz8
This post was edited on 1/8 1:48 PM by wldktz8

Which I absolutely do not believe, not even for a second. Very few people have ever pulled it off. Michael Jordan barely managed it in his prime.

 

[dmaso44]

Originally posted by preacherfan:

Originally posted by Cychologist:
I was also surprised they gave him two bottles of Gatorade and expected that to cure him in a few minutes. As a cyclist I drink a sports drink to prevent leg cramps, but once you get them to digest the electrolytes in a sports drink takes too long. Massage and stretching helps, and mustard or pickle juice is more effective/quicker than Gatorade.

Of course prevention with proper hydration is important. But you tend to get cramps when you exert yourself beyond what your training has prepared you for. And that young man certainly was exerting himself to the max.

.

OT - I was a distance runner in college but that was a long time ago. I find now that I get cramps early in a jog and also in the middle of the night. Do you ever have either experience and how do you handle it when you do?

If you are getting them in the middle of the night then you are probably potassium deficient. Probably need a potassium supplement. I would talk to my PCP/GP on my next visit because potassium can be dangerous if you go too far. It usn't a big deal I had the same issue but the supplement cured it. Well, worth the visit.

 

[awf]

Originally posted by dmaso44:

Originally posted by preacherfan:

Originally posted by Cychologist:
I was also surprised they gave him two bottles of Gatorade and expected that to cure him in a few minutes. As a cyclist I drink a sports drink to prevent leg cramps, but once you get them to digest the electrolytes in a sports drink takes too long. Massage and stretching helps, and mustard or pickle juice is more effective/quicker than Gatorade.

Of course prevention with proper hydration is important. But you tend to get cramps when you exert yourself beyond what your training has prepared you for. And that young man certainly was exerting himself to the max.

.

OT - I was a distance runner in college but that was a long time ago. I find now that I get cramps early in a jog and also in the middle of the night. Do you ever have either experience and how do you handle it when you do?

If you are getting them in the middle of the night then you are probably potassium deficient. Probably need a potassium supplement. I would talk to my PCP/GP on my next visit because potassium can be dangerous if you go too far. It usn't a big deal I had the same issue but the supplement cured it. Well, worth the visit.

I had leg cramps for years. The doctors couldn't find a cause or reason. A friend suggested that I drink a 12 oz. glass of water before I went to bed. Since I started this practice I no longer suffer from dibilitating leg cramps. Not saying this will work for everyone but it sure helped me.

 

[far_away_fan]

Originally posted by Seth C:

That is a good indication of how these teams actually showing up when the play UK. Who wouldn't want a crack at beating UK. It's a lifetime a bragging rights. From seeing him play he may be one of the most athletic players in college today. They were saying in the Ole Miss dunk contest he one hand slammed from the free throw line.

Which I absolutely do not believe, not even for a second. Very few people have ever pulled it off. Michael Jordan barely managed it in his prime.

We all know that these days, "dunking from the free throw line" really means running from the other end of the court and jumping from as far away as possible and dunking. When most guys do it, it usually ends up being at least a foot or two inside the FT line. With that said, for a six foot guard to even get close is REALLY impressive. I'm six feet tall and I can barely jump over the free throw line, much less dunk from beyond it! That kid is some kind of athlete, and the way he shot it in that game, it's hard to imagine anyone being able to stop him. Great effort. I'm glad we won, but I was a bit sad to see him unable to finish that game (even though I doubt we win if he can continue at 100%).

 

[Raroyder]

In the Cal era we've had tons of players get leg cramps.

- John Wall used to cramp alot, I think he sat out most of the 2nd half of the UNC game because of them.

- Julius Randle last year, sat out almost the entire 2nd half against UofL (the regular season one) because of leg cramps.

- Archie Goodwin got leg cramps a few times. One game he had to get carried off the floor, and we all thought it was a serious injury initially.


There have been countless others, in just brief stints, where the "cramp stick" had to be brought out on the sidelines. I don't seem to remember it happening as much during Tubby or Billy G stints, but I also don't remember as many wins either.

So, in summation, cramping seems to be a good thing.

 

[AnarchoNeoLuddite]

All these kids have bad diets, eat crap fast food and snacks. Wall just last year finally got on board with a professional athletes diet. Got himself a chef. Of course he can afford too but its amazing how often you see that pros eat as bad as they do..

 

[UKEE]

I was at the game and couldn't believe how high this kid was jumping (anyone know his vertical?). I was thinking to myself as to how much energy and effort it took to jump that high while still able to shoot the ball. Didn't surprise me when he went down with cramps and was surprised he came back after the first bout. Man was a warrior though. If he could have made it without cramps, we might have been done.

 

[far_away_fan]

Originally posted by UKEE:
I was at the game and couldn't believe how high this kid was jumping (anyone know his vertical?). I was thinking to myself as to how much energy and effort it took to jump that high while still able to shoot the ball. Didn't surprise me when he went down with cramps and was surprised he came back after the first bout. Man was a warrior though. If he could have made it without cramps, we might have been done.

The TV announcers made reference to his vert several times. I think they said it was 46 inches!?!? Pretty impressive... It's nice to know that watching on TV has at least one small advantage over being at Rupp.

 

[SmyrnaCatFan]

Originally posted by preacherfan:
OT - I was a distance runner in college but that was a long time ago. I find now that I get cramps early in a jog and also in the middle of the night. Do you ever have either experience and how do you handle it when you do?

Preach, I get these at times, too. Combination usually of mild dehydration, potassium deficiency and/or the covers too tight/heavy.

Mid distance runner here. Once in college doing repeat 440's (400's modern era) I had simultaneous cramps in both calves went face down on the track. Helpless, hopeless feeling like they will never stop and oh the pain!

Seem like some good suggestions on the remedies, I'll have to pick up some mustard pkgs next time at the fast food joint.

 

[Blueaz]

Originally posted by far_away_fan:

Originally posted by Blueaz:

on Dan Patrick, Cal inferred that he felt the cramps were the reason we won...and the reason for the cramps the unrelenting defense, causing Moody to work so hard

FYI: Imply means that you hint at something without actually stating it. Infer means that you reach a conclusion that was implied rather than made explicit. Having heard the interview in question, as I recall, Cal neither implied nor inferred that the cramps were the reason we won. He just stated that outright.

(I'm aware perfect grammar isn't the least bit important on a message board. However, confusing infer and imply is pretty common, and maybe this tidbit will clear it up in case you have forgotten the difference.)

I actually could not remember if he had stated it outright... so I was taking the comments I could remember, as him inferring.