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that Roy Williams at UNC right now reminded him of Tubby's last few years at UK. You know, I never really thought about it that way until their loss today, but I think that's an apt comparison. Final Four drought, they always seem to underachieve, and they seem to be losing steam among the other blue bloods. Just figured I would see what the rest of you all thought about it.
 
Two things have really hurt UNC: the scandal and their inability to get guys into the league on a consistent basis. Hard to recruit around those two facts. UNC has fallen behind in player development. Add in an academic scandal and it's hard to get players. It's actually somewhat surprising that they have the talent that they have.
 
BleedBlue32 said:
that Roy Williams at UNC right now reminded him of Tubby's last few years at UK. You know, I never really thought about it that way until their loss today, but I think that's an apt comparison. Final Four drought, they always seem to underachieve, and they seem to be losing steam among the other blue bloods. Just figured I would see what the rest of you all thought about it.
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In other words he is back at Kansas. Won lots of games but bowed out of the tournament to subpar competition
 
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I hope they continue to have a hard time recruit good players. Would love to see that program take a hard hit by the NCAA. I hope they continue a long slide down hill.
 
You cannot compare the two at all. Why? Because Roy is in a totally different hemisphere than Tubby in recruiting.
 
MdWIldcat55 said:
Here's my analysis of Roy Williams, and I've been saying it for years: His teams have underachieved, relative to their pre-season rankings, many times. Two times, his teams have proven as good as advertised, with ineligible players. Both of those times he had the best ineligible
point guard in college basketball, as well as multiple ineligible NBA caliber players who were juniors or seniors. That's the cheating formula he needs for ultimate success.

I don't think he has that formula this year -- even close, all players are attending classes. Paige isn't even playing PG, and is more of a 2G even if he wises up and moves him. And while he has a number of experienced players, their talent level is at the very good, not great level. I checked several NBA mock drafts, and most only rank one tarheel, Jackson, as a Top 20 pick.
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I fixed this for you.
 
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Did Tubby ever have an NIU level loss early in the year? I really can't remember. It was usually losses to ranked teams, road SEC games and anyone with a pulse in the NCAA.
 
Their team has zero swag..they are (were) the # 1 team in america and no one has really said a word about them..no one even knows much about their team or players.
 
It's hard to ask coaches in their 60s to relate to 19-year old kids, even if they were great at it in their 30s, 40s and 50s. You're talking two generations at that point. At that point they'd better have great assistants.
 
Rick Barnes has taken his name out of consideration for the North Carolina job. Reason believed is they won't change their colors to orange and white.
 
BleedBlue32 said:
that Roy Williams at UNC right now reminded him of Tubby's last few years at UK. You know, I never really thought about it that way until their loss today, but I think that's an apt comparison. Final Four drought, they always seem to underachieve, and they seem to be losing steam among the other blue bloods. Just figured I would see what the rest of you all thought about it.
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I disagree. Roy can still recruit, despite the scandal hanging over his head. Tubby had no excuse. He had lazy assistants, and he didn't like to recruit either. I love Tubby, but I'd take Roy over Tubby every time.
 
Except Roy has enough talent there to win.

They should've beaten N Iowa, but Paige is out.

** more importantly, how are they even allowed to field a team?
 
I do think the game is starting to pass Roy by - more in the mold of Denny Crum rather than Tubby. IIRC - didn't Denny refuse for years to take advantage of the three point line? (If I'm wrong, my apologies). Add this investigation hanging over his head - and no matter what, he KNOWS it could cause problems - plus the other issues unc** has had recently, well - he's pretty well done, IMO.
 
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If Roy doesn't feel like retiring yet he should leave UNC and take over somewhere South, like Bob Knight did at the end of his career. Make coaching fun again. I'm sure he feels like a fireman at his current job.
 
Thoughtless to equate UNC's cheating quagmire with Tubby's failure to hire assistants that could help him get the job done. Tubby's faults were admirable as he was simply too loyal to his staff while Roy and UNC's conniving are an abomination.

Now if you want to say there is a physical resemblance to what men under pressure look like when they crumble that is one thing, but to rope UK into the UNC's mess even tangentially is not doing us any favors.
 
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You cannot compare the two at all. Why? Because Roy is in a totally different hemisphere than Tubby in recruiting.
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Tubby chose to recruit players that were top D-II and low D-1 players to bring the UK program to mediocrity to thumb his nose at UK's nepotism rule. Roy Williams has never stopped recruiting or recruiting top talent to NC. It has only been when the great scam was unveiled 5 years ago, that things started to unravel for Roy.
 
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Tubby chose to recruit players that were top D-II and low D-1 players to bring the UK program to mediocrity to thumb his nose at UK's nepotism rule. Roy Williams has never stopped recruiting or recruiting top talent to NC. It has only been when the great scam was unveiled 5 years ago, that things started to unravel for Roy.
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I was being sarcastic, Tubby was the worst recruiter in the history of UK basketball.
 
BleedBlue32 said:
that Roy Williams at UNC right now reminded him of Tubby's last few years at UK. You know, I never really thought about it that way until their loss today, but I think that's an apt comparison. Final Four drought, they always seem to underachieve, and they seem to be losing steam among the other blue bloods. Just figured I would see what the rest of you all thought about it.
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It's a poor comparison. Roy's reputation is being destroyed by an academic scandal, and by questions about how much he knew about it. Tubby's career has been completely scandal free. And while Roy is not 1 of the top in game coaches in the country, he is a much better game coach than Tubby ever was. Roy's career situation isn't really comparable to anyone else, but Pitino sort of comes to mind in the sense that both are successful coaches who are melting down and self destructing at high profile programs. Tubby's career is more like Rick Barnes or Tom Crean. Underachievers who move around.
 
How many Final Fours has Roy been to? Tubby has been to one. Tubby is comparable to Crean.
 
EvilMD said:
It's hard to ask coaches in their 60s to relate to 19-year old kids, even if they were great at it in their 30s, 40s and 50s. You're talking two generations at that point. At that point they'd better have great assistants.
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Hate to tell ya, but Cal's not far away from the big-6-0. Will this theory apply 3 years from now?
 
If you take a Helms banner down in the Dean Dome and there is nobody there to hear it, does it really come down?
 
kyups01 said:
You cannot compare the two at all. Why? Because Roy is in a totally different hemisphere than Tubby in recruiting.
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kyups01 said:
Ummm that is what Im saying here, Tubby doesn't recruit compared to Roy Williams.
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I agree you can't compare Tubby with Roy. One has run a program filled with scandal since he arrived at NC. The other coached at UK for 10 years without a hint of cheating, No NCAA investigating, No games vacated. He had successful stints at Tulsa and Georgia before coming to UK.

He has been accused of underachieving and being a poor recruiter which is hard to explain with his excellent record and accomplishments. Tubby got tired of having to deal with the AAU coaches and the elite players most of which were spoiled rotten with preferential treatment since grade school. At one point in time he had 5 players starting in NBA. Somehow that does not relate to poor recruiting or underachieving.
He accomplished more with less talent than most coaches and is highly respected by his peers. The bottom line is Roy doesn't even come close to compare with Tubby jmho
 
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EvilMD said:
It's hard to ask coaches in their 60s to relate to 19-year old kids, even if they were great at it in their 30s, 40s and 50s. You're talking two generations at that point. At that point they'd better have great assistants.
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Isn't Coach K like 68?
 
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