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Matt Jones and Kyle Tucker are in a Twitter nerd fight

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Last two days, front page of @CourierJournal sports section have been manufactured UK "controversies." As Cal says, "they show themselves"

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@KySportsRadio Says the human hand puppet.
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@KyleTucker_CJ sad day when I am the more professional of the two of us

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@KySportsRadio Give me a break. You are an attack dog. Nothing about these stories was unfair or sensational. Not "hit pieces." Just not.
 
Matt Jones v. Kyle Tucker twitter fight.

Since the formatting on the other thread isn't let me reply, I'll continue it here with the reply I tried to submit:

I like both for different reasons. No dog in the fight but I am watching with interest.

The
lawyer/radio host/blogger/super fan vs. the writer. Usually they say
never get in an argument with a writer or a comedian but Matt is a
different animal. I give him the slight edge. Now touch gloves and let's
get it on.
 
Re: Matt Jones v. Kyle Tucker twitter fight.

Nobody likes it when Mommy and Daddy fight. Tucker and Jones are both good at what they do IMO ... but guess some clash of civilizations is inevitable.

And
FWIW, the guy here that actually wrote the "hit piece" (Himmelsbach)
got promoted to the big leagues (Boston Celtics beat) this week. So he
wins by TKO.
 
Proud of Jones on this one. Hope he keeps going after these guys.
 
Re: Matt Jones v. Kyle Tucker twitter fight.

"Twitter fight", lol this is the closest Jones has come to being in a real fight or competition, besides a hot dog eating contest.
 
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Re: Matt Jones v. Kyle Tucker twitter fight.

And they both came off about as well as you'd expect in an all out nerd fight on Twitter.

I like Kyle a lot. I hate where he works, but I really like that dude. I have since he came here. He has to stop letting Matt provoke him in to these insane back and forths once every few months. I think it's cool that he wants to have his co-worker's backs, but given some of their histories I'd argue they aren't worth it. At all. Nor is his paper with their UL slant.

Matt loves doing this though. He's going to poke and poke and poke until someone finally takes the bait and then he knows no matter what happens the other person's twitter is going to get flooded by blind fanboys who want a reason to rage at someone on UK's behalf. It's cool when it's a Jeff Goodman or a Pete Thamel who seem to legitimately have personal issues with college kids. They deserve to get crapped on by any and every one. Not everyone does.

It's on Kyle though. Matt plays this game on Twitter all the time like a teenage troll. If you bite on it though, it's your fault. They both look ridiculous.

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Re: Matt Jones v. Kyle Tucker twitter fight.

Kyle throwing haymakers.

Put on a stink face at : Says the human hand puppet.
 
Re: Matt Jones v. Kyle Tucker twitter fight.

I know RR has a hateboner for Matt Jones, but will anyone seriously defend Kyle Tucker? He works for a complete sham of a journalism organization.
 
Re: Matt Jones v. Kyle Tucker twitter fight.

Originally posted by BigKari:
"Twitter fight", lol this is the closest Jones has come to being in a real fight or competition, besides a hot dog eating contest.
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Re: Matt Jones v. Kyle Tucker twitter fight.

Kyle Tucker þ@KyleTucker_CJ 31m31 minutes ago

@KySportsRadio Look, we've asked for the exact same things from U of L and the response has not been as swift or detailed.



Whether you like Kyle or not, his above response as to why they don't delve into UofL's business in the same manner is really pitiful.

Since when is journalism based solely upon what one person/entity is willing to divulge?
 
It is interesting how the "professional" journalists are always the first to make personal attacks at KSR. Instead of arguing the issues or debating the topic they go strait to name calling.

I don't think I have read an article from either the CJ or HL in about 5 years (I used to read every single one every day), and it's primarily because of the way these guys act on twitter.
 
Originally posted by JasonSpear:
I think most of Jones' gripe is that the CJ never writes these kinds of stories about UL that could even remotely be viewed in a negative light. The stories on UK spending money on the Bahamas trip wasn't a hit piece. Tucker is right. It was just factual information suggesting more so that the huge amount of money that was spent would potentially be worth it if a title was won in April. It didn't dog or trash UK at all.

Jones is just mad because the CJ seems to protect UL and never writes these kinds of stories about that program.
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Absolutely.

And in the context of the YUM! fiasco, Jones is right.
 
Originally posted by JasonSpear:
I think most of Jones' gripe is that the CJ never writes these kinds of stories about UL that could even remotely be viewed in a negative light. The stories on UK spending money on the Bahamas trip wasn't a hit piece. Tucker is right. It was just factual information suggesting more so that the huge amount of money that was spent would potentially be worth it if a title was won in April. It didn't dog or trash UK at all.

Jones is just mad because the CJ seems to protect UL and never writes these kinds of stories about that program.
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It really isn't an argument. It's just reality. They don't do it. The only debate is why they don't do it.

Kyle Tucker offered up a horrendous explanation during this nerd fight stating "Look, we've asked for the exact same things from U of L and the response has not been as swift or detailed."

UofL's unwillingness to be transparent should be the trigger to dig deeper in order to get an answer from them. Instead, the CJ seems content with that response when it comes to UofL on basically everything whether it be sports or other dealings.

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Re: Matt Jones v. Kyle Tucker twitter fight.

Originally posted by ThroughBlue:

Just followed Kyle Tucker on twitter to see it. It was weak. Unfollow.
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Tucker is the best UK follow on Twitter IMO.
 
Originally posted by JasonSpear:
I think most of Jones' gripe is that the CJ never writes these kinds of stories about UL that could even remotely be viewed in a negative light. The stories on UK spending money on the Bahamas trip wasn't a hit piece. Tucker is right. It was just factual information suggesting more so that the huge amount of money that was spent would potentially be worth it if a title was won in April. It didn't dog or trash UK at all.
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Right, the expense totals in absurdly large, bolded fonts above the fold are just for the visually impaired readers.
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If one of our players got caught going 95 in a booster's car I can only imagine what the story would be at both the CJ and the HL
 
Originally posted by JasonSpear:
I think most of Jones' gripe is that the CJ never writes these kinds of stories about UL that could even remotely be viewed in a negative light. The stories on UK spending money on the Bahamas trip wasn't a hit piece. Tucker is right. It was just factual information suggesting more so that the huge amount of money that was spent would potentially be worth it if a title was won in April. It didn't dog or trash UK at all.

Jones is just mad because the CJ seems to protect UL and never writes these kinds of stories about that program.
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I didn't see the Bahamas story as much of a hit piece either. I thought the amounts spent were interesting, and I wonder what a $1500/night room must be like. But I more or less expected the Bahamas trip had a hug pricetag. I also don't think they take the trip without the SEC Network money rolling in, or without the booster contributions. I guess the one problem I have is that by writing this story it appears that the CJ is trying to perpetuate a narrative that UK is "ruining college basketball" this time by over-spending and passing through extra benefits to players.

I don't know that a similar article about UofL would have the same impact because they probably spent less. Although the story about Calipari's air-travel should have included or been offset by a similar one for Pitino. Those two articles would likely be the same. And if Kyle Tucker is correct that UofL doesn't respond as quickly or with as much detail, then the CJ should write about that. Talk about the delays and the cover-ups, put pressure on UofL to act more responsibly.
 
Re: Matt Jones v. Kyle Tucker twitter fight.


Originally posted by 5iveStarRecruit:
Kyle throwing haymakers.

Put on a stink face at : Says the human hand puppet.
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Which, Matt is a UK blogger.

Kyle Tucker works for a supposed "unbiased" newspaper.

So, which one is supposed to be the hand puppet and which isn't? CJ is just as big a Jurich hand puppet as Matt is for UK.
 
Originally posted by ThroughBlue:

If one of our players got caught going 95 in a booster's car I can only imagine what the story would be at both the CJ and the HL
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No. Jerry Tipton would just be hiding in the bushes to snap a picture of them getting out of the car (see, Rondo article circa 2006). Or he would talk about players driving a new truck, even when they haven't (see, Patterson article circa 2008).

It is odd that most basketball programs have a cozy relationship with at least the local newspaper.... that is every program except UK and the Lexington H-L.
 
Re: Matt Jones v. Kyle Tucker twitter fight.

Originally posted by The_Godfather:
Kyle Tucker þ@KyleTucker_CJ 31m31 minutes ago

@KySportsRadio Look, we've asked for the exact same things from U of L and the response has not been as swift or detailed.



Whether you like Kyle or not, his above response as to why they don't delve into UofL's business in the same manner is really pitiful.

Since when is journalism based solely upon what one person/entity is willing to divulge?
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I would love for MJ to ask him why haven't they wrote a story about the lack of transparency at U of L compared with UK if they aren't nearly as forthcoming with data requests. That seems like a logical story for someone to write. The CJ asks for information from one university and gets a quick detailed response and the other one provides a slow response with no detail to make any determinations. Would that not make a more interesting story than most of the crap they write about, including what UK spends on basketball trips.
 
They said it cost close to $800k when it really cost close to $400k. They compared it in cost to UNC who played 2 games in 2 days when we played 6 games in 8 days but didn't acknowledge the difference. Yup, just the facts.
 
KT is a very loyal guy, you can see his attachment to UK already. He is just jaded about his buddies and his employer as a result...and very sensitive.

I can't even imagine what drove them to have an interest in the Bahamas expenses. IIRC, I think Cal did a sitdown with KT on that trip for an interview. Might be his last.
 
Re: Matt Jones v. Kyle Tucker twitter fight.

So Tucker should write a piece about UL not cooperating to divulge the same type of info in the same manner as Kentucky.
 
Originally posted by gossie21:

Originally posted by JasonSpear:
I think most of Jones' gripe is that the CJ never writes these kinds of stories about UL that could even remotely be viewed in a negative light. The stories on UK spending money on the Bahamas trip wasn't a hit piece. Tucker is right. It was just factual information suggesting more so that the huge amount of money that was spent would potentially be worth it if a title was won in April. It didn't dog or trash UK at all.

Jones is just mad because the CJ seems to protect UL and never writes these kinds of stories about that program.
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I didn't see the Bahamas story as much of a hit piece either. I thought the amounts spent were interesting, and I wonder what a $1500/night room must be like. But I more or less expected the Bahamas trip had a hug pricetag. I also don't think they take the trip without the SEC Network money rolling in, or without the booster contributions. I guess the one problem I have is that by writing this story it appears that the CJ is trying to perpetuate a narrative that UK is "ruining college basketball" this time by over-spending and passing through extra benefits to players.

I don't know that a similar article about UofL would have the same impact because they probably spent less. Although the story about Calipari's air-travel should have included or been offset by a similar one for Pitino. Those two articles would likely be the same. And if Kyle Tucker is correct that UofL doesn't respond as quickly or with as much detail, then the CJ should write about that. Talk about the delays and the cover-ups, put pressure on UofL to act more responsibly.
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If it wasn't a hit piece then what was it? It certainly wasn't news. No rules were broken. It was just red meat thrown out to the uninformed, with mitigating details omitted. Your average american idol fan sees this and thinks "evil UK is blowing money better spent on education". Total hit piece IMO. Also they could have written dozens of stories on the YUM fiasco but refuse to do so. And as another poster pointed out recently, the Turtleneck subsidized $50 bowl trip and loses hundreds of thousands but not a peep from the CJ.
 
Originally posted by JasonSpear:

Originally posted by qwesley:

IIRC, I think Cal did a sitdown with KT on that trip for an interview. Might be his last.
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Tucker wasn't the guy that wrote the article.
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No, Tucker wrote this one. They spend a lot of time worrying about the program that gives millions back to the school instead of the one who takes from academics while bragging about being the most profitable and plays in an arena the costs taxpayers cloae to $10 million a year and will soon go to $20 million a year.

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/kentucky/2014/07/26/jet-setting-uk-coaches-john-calipari-mark-stoops-round-recuits/13212465/
 
They're probably more pissed that Matt is making money being a homer while they have to worry about whether the newspaper will be around in 5 years.
 
Originally posted by TankedCat:
They're probably more pissed that Matt is making money being a homer while they have to worry about whether the newspaper will be around in 5 years.
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More so that he doesn't hide being a homer while the rest of that crew feel the need to continue the charade of being objective.

Even funnier when those guys leave the CJ only to no longer hide their fandom (Demling and Crawford).
 
Originally posted by The_Godfather:
Originally posted by JasonSpear:
I think most of Jones' gripe is that the CJ never writes these kinds of stories about UL that could even remotely be viewed in a negative light. The stories on UK spending money on the Bahamas trip wasn't a hit piece. Tucker is right. It was just factual information suggesting more so that the huge amount of money that was spent would potentially be worth it if a title was won in April. It didn't dog or trash UK at all.

Jones is just mad because the CJ seems to protect UL and never writes these kinds of stories about that program.
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It really isn't an argument. It's just reality. They don't do it. The only debate is why they don't do it.

Kyle Tucker offered up a horrendous explanation during this nerd fight stating "Look, we've asked for the exact same things from U of L and the response has not been as swift or detailed."

UofL's unwillingness to be transparent should be the trigger to dig deeper in order to get an answer from them. Instead, the CJ seems content with that response when it comes to UofL on basically everything whether it be sports or other dealings.

.
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Am curious how content the CJ would've been sitting on their hands had UK not been so swift or detailed in their response. Pure speculation, but I imagine it would've been an all hands on deck sort of situation.
 
Originally posted by JasonSpear:

Originally posted by qwesley:

IIRC, I think Cal did a sitdown with KT on that trip for an interview. Might be his last.
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Tucker wasn't the guy that wrote the article.
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I know that but him defending that kind of stuff could bite him. I know when Orlando was here he did an interview that showed how he monitored social media and stuff. Cal knows what is going on and who to avoid.
 
I hope they get the information from UL and find out the players stayed at the Motel 6 and there was a charge to the liquor store down the street. That would give recruits another chance to see the difference in how we treat our players.
 
Originally posted by ~Keyser Soze~:

Originally posted by JasonSpear:

Originally posted by qwesley:

IIRC, I think Cal did a sitdown with KT on that trip for an interview. Might be his last.
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Tucker wasn't the guy that wrote the article.
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No, Tucker wrote this one. They spend a lot of time worrying about the program that gives millions back to the school instead of the one who takes from academics while bragging about being the most profitable and plays in an arena the costs taxpayers cloae to $10 million a year and will soon go to $20 million a year.
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I'm also waiting for the answer as to why the CJ hasn't written an article on why UL hasn't cooperated with info request... that said...Tucker is the UK beat writer, he lives in Lexington...and he's not the sports editor or publisher for the CJ. He could write all of the UL columns that he wanted but he doesn't have the power to publish them, at least while employed by the CJ.
 
Originally posted by The_Godfather:
Originally posted by JasonSpear:
I think most of Jones' gripe is that the CJ never writes these kinds of stories about UL that could even remotely be viewed in a negative light. The stories on UK spending money on the Bahamas trip wasn't a hit piece. Tucker is right. It was just factual information suggesting more so that the huge amount of money that was spent would potentially be worth it if a title was won in April. It didn't dog or trash UK at all.

Jones is just mad because the CJ seems to protect UL and never writes these kinds of stories about that program.
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It really isn't an argument. It's just reality. They don't do it. The only debate is why they don't do it.

Kyle Tucker offered up a horrendous explanation during this nerd fight stating "Look, we've asked for the exact same things from U of L and the response has not been as swift or detailed."

UofL's unwillingness to be transparent should be the trigger to dig deeper in order to get an answer from them. Instead, the CJ seems content with that response when it comes to UofL on basically everything whether it be sports or other dealings.

.
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100% agree with this. Can you imagine any reputable news source failing to dig for information simply b/c their first request was met with delays or indifference from the party that may have something to hide? Hilarious. At least he is admitting it for all to see.
 
Turtleneck: Ok, we've got a minor situation brewing. Dead girl in the dorm or something.

CJ: Hmmm

Turtleneck: You ask for information and we'll ignore you. Don't ask twice.

CJ: OK

Turtleneck: That way we'll both be covered, and we can keep these rubes in the dark. Smart people call it "pleazable denierabilty"

CJ: Can I get you another Old English?
 
The problem is that there is a limit to how far the CJ is going to push on this (at least it seems that way) because they do depend somewhat on the good graces of the university in town. The Herald Leader has never really seemed to care about that.

The financial/back rubbing/back room handshake stuff going on around the YUM Center, etc., is fishy. Even close friends of mine that are UL graduates admit that there are a lot of inexplicably bizarre things that have gone on, especially when you start looking at the NBA and UL's adamance about it's opposition to that. One of my uncles is heavily involved in construction law in downtown Louisville (also a UL grad, die hard fan and season ticket holder in football/basketball) and he fought the YUM Center being built with other UL grads.

This isn't a UK vs. UL issue. This is a UL vs. the citizens of the state issue. The inevitable outcome is that you CANNOT and will NEVER be able to discuss it without it becoming UK vs. UL. It's a damn shame but it's the truth. It's like any other political issue -- the people that have serious rooting interest in it slightly provoke a tiny detail of it the get people riled up about the part that doesn't actually matter.

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