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Massive shooting in Vegas

From what I understand, the broken glass fell 30 stories in the vicinity of the valet parking area. The valets told the highers ups, which may have been what sent this security guard up looking around before the shooting started.

Just a guess.

This strikes me as entirely plausible.

Maybe Gunman is getting everything set up and breaks the glass to get his sights, etc ready, probably figuring that the concert noise will drown everything out. Breaking the glass draws security attention so he shoots through the door, figuring that his plan is now shot and he's going to barricade himself and take as many police with him as he can.

So he waits 6 minutes and nothing happens and then goes back to the original plan.

You can tell from the videos above that the sheriff is absolutely frustrated. He doesn't strike me as someone to dilly dally. It strikes that that he either believed it to be inconceivable that one guy could subvert Vegas security and is shocked that there were no accomplices or, more likely, the sheriff regularly meets with all casinos in the city to discuss security and knew that a motivated lone gunman was one of the few events that they had no good precaution for and is in the middle of watching his nightmare come true.
 
Just stumbled onto this. It is supposedly from Newsweek. Take it for what it's worth.

“If ISIS Was Behind Las Vegas Shooting, There’s a Terrifying Reason It Won’t Prove It Yet,” by Tom O’Connor, Newsweek, October 9, 2017 (thanks to David):

Authorities continue to doubt that the Islamic State militant group (ISIS) was behind last week’s massacre in Las Vegas, despite the jihadists’ persistent claims the shooter acted on their behalf. According to one leading expert’s analysis, however, the conflicting narratives might be playing straight into ISIS’s hands.

Despite digging deep into Stephen Paddock’s background, investigators have struggled to understand what drove the 64-year-old man, who described himself as a “professional gambler,” to slaughter 58 people and injure hundreds more when he opened fire on crowds attending a country music concert from his 32nd-floor hotel room in Las Vegas. Nothing so far has reportedly led them to believe ISIS’s claim that Paddock converted to Islam and acted as “a soldier” of the group’s self-styled caliphate, leaving observers wondering why the global militant group would risk making such an outlandish, intentionally false allegation.

The answer could lie in a larger plot to exploit the U.S.’s already eroding trust in its leadership.

“If Islamic State did indeed cultivate Paddock, as it has claimed was the case, the group surely has some evidence of its engagements with him. If it does, it may be the case the group is waiting on FBI and other agencies to dismiss its claim of responsibility for the Las Vegas attack before posting contradictory evidence online for the world to see,” terrorism analyst Michael S. Smith II tells Newsweek.

“Islamic State has been very focused on undermining confidence among civilians in the West that their technologically-superior governments are competent managers of our collective security,” he adds….


While Las Vegas’ Sheriff Joe Lombardo told reporters Monday that police “have no intelligence or evidence the suspect was linked to any terrorist groups or radical ideologies,” Smith warns that ISIS’s proven ability to avoid detection helps it send potential recruits a clear message: “Intelligence agencies in the West are not actually omniscient.”


The reality of this message has been demonstrated more than once before, with deadly consequences. Months prior to the series of ISIS-orchestrated gun and bomb attacks that killed 130 people in November 2015 in Paris, the 27-year-old “mastermind,” Abdelhamid Abaaoud, bragged about evading arrest, despite traveling as a known affiliate of the group, during an interview with ISIS magazine Dabiq.

Before August’s dual van-ramming and stabbing attacks in Barcelona and Cambrils that killed 16, the CIA had reportedly warned Spanish authorities of an ISIS-related threat specifically on Barcelona’s popular Las Ramblas, where 15 people were killed. Elsewhere in Europe, Morocco-born Youssef Zaghba, one of the men behind June’s deadly vehicular ramming and stabbing attacks that killed 8 people in London, told authorities “I’m going to be a terrorist” after being stopped in an Italian airport....
 
I know that the authorities have to research every possibility but the ISIS angle strikes me as absolutely preposterous.

Again, however, I hope that the FBI etc is combing through every one of the Paddock brothers' pasts because there is a huge propensity for criminal behavior there.
 
You're thinking way too literally. If you kill people because you denounce american capitalism and say you wanted to help islam rid the world of these heathen ass christians, you're ISIS. Idk jack, but it's not out of the realm of possibility that this guy hated america and talked about these things with the isis e-community. We just don't fn know. And you're just mad at krazykats or whatever. Who cares.

We do know police have found a plethora of electronic devices at each house and at the scene of the crime. If this guy was such a loner that nobody really knew, why does he have so many gd phones and laptops. That doesn't add up to me. AND AIRPLANES?? Was that fake news, because nobody has mentioned that since the first few days. I'm assuming that's fake?

And we have a strong suspicion the fbi aint really doing shit because someone walked right into Paddock's home and they don't know if anything is missing, etc. GTFO.
 
Link?

FWIW, I am scared that this jackwagon taught a lot of evil idiots how to up their game. If I am ISIS, I'm looking at this like I just got a copy of Bill Belichik's playbook. That could be one reason why Johnny Law is so tight-lipped.
Hold on so you think shooting up a concert was basically a brand new idea that Paddock thought of and no one else had?

I’ve always thought sporting events and concerts were super easy targets. What’s to stop a van full of “martyrs” from pulling up outside one of these and just blasting the crowd unmercifully? You could have darn near 100,000 unarmed people confined in a relatively small area with a 10-20 minute window before a SWAT team could get there.
 
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I certainly don't know. It does seem like something ISIS would do. I still think there's more here, just not sure what.
 
And you're just mad at krazykats or whatever. Who cares.

Assume there is some conversation including Hankfaker going on here. Poor guy still on an anti-ISIS kick which is fine.

It's understandable to want to remove them from your realm of possibility, and TBH if you do how can you have any confidence in the LVPD, FBI, hotel security or the Sheriffs?

The only hope at this point is that it is ISIS somehow and they are all band together to keep it from the public to keep from causing the public outcry for war etc.
 
Just in general.......while the one guy was up there, it wasn't because the glass broke and valet alarmed them, or that he had attached a barricade to the staircase door, or that security cameras picked him up staging anything in the hallway or barricading doors etc.

If you believe reports now it's simply because a random door was ajar for too long.

And really if I'm being honest I'd say they are the least of the worries except if your going out to Vegas tomorrow what is sliding past the casino security.
 
Starting to think the Mandalay Bay let this shooter just kind of do whatever he wanted because he was a high roller and that maybe they ignored all the warning signs because he kept gambling. They probably first tried to handle the situation with in house security and didn’t notify the police till it was too late. Now they are covering their tracks to avoid $liability which is causing all the confusion in this investigation.
 
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It was a serious question, you think he thought of this and no one else had? I’ve thought of it when I’ve been to football games when I was 20.

OF COURSE OTHER PEOPLE THOUGHT OF SHOOTING INTO OUTDOOR CROWDS YOU ABSOLUTE DUNCE THAT IS NOT THAT POINT HE MANAGED TO STACK A HOTEL ROOM IN PROBABLY THE MOST SURVEILLED CITY (I'LL ALSO ACCEPT NYC AND LA) WITH ASSAULT WEAPONS UNDER THE AUTHORITY'S NOSES.

Honestly, what in the hell are you talking about?
 
OF COURSE OTHER PEOPLE THOUGHT OF SHOOTING INTO OUTDOOR CROWDS YOU ABSOLUTE DUNCE THAT IS NOT THAT POINT HE MANAGED TO STACK A HOTEL ROOM IN PROBABLY THE MOST SURVEILLED CITY (I'LL ALSO ACCEPT NYC AND LA) WITH ASSAULT WEAPONS UNDER THE AUTHORITY'S NOSES.

Honestly, what in the hell are you talking about?
See above Mandalay Bay is covering their tracks because they saw him walking the guns in and blew it off as eccentric high roller.
 
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Pretty simple to do. You know how guns work? You can break them down into uppers and lowers, pack them in suitcases and just walk inside. With 100’s of people coming and going why would they be worried about a guy bringing in a few extra suitcases? You could put 27 rifles into 2 large suitcases I’d bet.

Now if you’re talking about the door barricades and such I don’t know the deal about that.
 
Starting to think the Mandalay Bay let this shooter just kind of do whatever he wanted because he was a high roller and that maybe they ignored all the warning signs because he kept gambling. They probably first tried to handle the situation with in house security and didn’t notify the police till it was too late. Now they are covering their tracks to avoid $liability which is causing all the confusion in this investigation.


While this could be the case, I don't see how the FBI gives a shit to allow the narrative to be this F'd up.

They shouldn't and wouldn't care about Mandalay Bay's liability enough to cover this up. As a matter of fact because of the impact of the lack of security they should burn it to the ground for their share of stupidity.
 
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While this could be the case, I don't see how the FBI gives a shit to allow the narrative to be this F'd up.

They shouldn't and wouldn't care about Mandalay Bay's liability enough to cover this up. As a matter of fact because of the impact of the lack of security they should burn it to the ground for their share of stupidity.

This is a legit good point. Knucks.
 
While this could be the case, I don't see how the FBI gives a shit to allow the narrative to be this F'd up.

They shouldn't and wouldn't care about Mandalay Bay's liability enough to cover this up. As a matter of fact because of the impact of the lack of security they should burn it to the ground for their share of stupidity.
I’m not saying the FBI is covering it up, I’m saying Mandalay Bay is screwing with security footage and statements from their employees which is making the FBI’s investigation tougher.
 
Again, if that's the case as fast as the FBI was involved I don't see how it could work unless the FBI was helping in the cover up.

To me unless it is ISIS I don't see why anything would be covered up. And to add to that I can only see it being covered up so that the public isn't in an outcry for war like they were in '01.

While Trump talks big it's simply talk, but his base is as about ready as it's ever been to show anyone America is back damn it. Trump knows his base blames the left for ISIS and I guarantee if that was ISIS and we didn't go to war somewhere for retribution you'd see the spark of a civil war here. The next BLM or ANTIFA protest would be ugly AF.
 
Also, unless it's ISIS why is a criminal investigation stopping them from letting the security guard make a statement or be known?

Why isn't any footage of him throughout the week in the casino being shown?

What kind of gambol was he involved in?

Sounds like maybe a prostitute or 2 were in the room is there footage?

If he is a lone wolf nut job what kind of criminal investigation is in place here because the criminal is kinda dead!
 
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Pretty simple to do. You know how guns work? You can break them down into uppers and lowers, pack them in suitcases and just walk inside. With 100’s of people coming and going why would they be worried about a guy bringing in a few extra suitcases? You could put 27 rifles into 2 large suitcases I’d bet.

Now if you’re talking about the door barricades and such I don’t know the deal about that.

What I have read the last couple of days is they gave him access to the service and freight elevator. Again his high roller status helped him avoid suspicion and gave him access that made this easier to pull off.
 
Also, unless it's ISIS why is a criminal investigation stopping them from letting the security guard make a statement or be known?

Why isn't any footage of him throughout the week in the casino being shown?

What kind of gambol was he involved in?

Sounds like maybe a prostitute or 2 were in the room is there footage?

If he is a lone wolf nut job what kind of criminal investigation is in place here because the criminal is kinda dead!

I don’t see the ISIS link unless they somehow set this guy up as a patsy. The FBI is not near as competent as you are giving them credit for. A casino that funnels billions of $’s of cash through its doors every month has security that is unbelieavably sophisticated. They can quickly delete or hide whatever they want to hide or show. With 500+ injured and 59 dead there are going to be attorneys looking everywhere for $’s and the big casino where the shooter had access is going to be a target. Follow the money. The money says the casino has incentive to hinder and mislead the investigation and the means to do so.

Just because the FBI is a lot slicker than agent runners, assistant basketball coaches, and shoe company runners, doesn’t mean they are slicker than Vegas casino security.
 
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What I have read the last couple of days is they gave him access to the service and freight elevator. Again his high roller status helped him avoid suspicion and gave him access that made this easier to pull off.
Well that would be really stupid of them and they should be scared of the repercussions.
 
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It's not that I want to believe or even believe ISIS did this or flipped some white dude and got this done.

They are claiming this though and are adament our govt is covering it up. Which I don't believe either our govt or ISIS really so WTF.

What I do believe is our media will downplay everything ISIS, and for the most part they have thrown their hands up like WTF and been left in the dark.

That doesn't happen when white people go nuts! Ever! We are thrown to the wolves and that hasn't happened yet either, so it's really weird.

Then you add the change in timeline/story and I am not ruling ISIS out at all.
 
I've never fully understood the Dems thing with Islam, except maybe they both have a common enemy in Christianity.
 
Well if they let them flood America they will vote democrat. That's what it is with Dems and anything non white.
 
I've never fully understood the Dems thing with Islam, except maybe they both have a common enemy in Christianity.

Because Islam helps the Dem's (and Rep's) goal of creating a world police and a world without borders by destabilizing countries. But more short term, immediate impact is $$$$$$$$. Islam is rich.
 
It was a serious question, you think he thought of this and no one else had? I’ve thought of it when I’ve been to football games when I was 20.

Someone call homeland security and the fbi.. Don't be long before rogue acts on his 20 year old key west gay waiter fantasies.

Starting to think the Mandalay Bay let this shooter just kind of do whatever he wanted because he was a high roller and that maybe they ignored all the warning signs because he kept gambling. They probably first tried to handle the situation with in house security and didn’t notify the police till it was too late. Now they are covering their tracks to avoid $liability which is causing all the confusion in this investigation.

Don't be Alex Jones stupid. If the Mandalay bay had even the slightest hint of worry of something like this, or hell even one person being murdered, they would never have put a day of gambling over acting on it. You think they protected a gambler while shooting up the joint because they would lose his future gambling?

See above Mandalay Bay is covering their tracks because they saw him walking the guns in and blew it off as eccentric high roller.

Come on man. again, Don't be Alex Jones stupid.

What I have read the last couple of days is they gave him access to the service and freight elevator. Again his high roller status helped him avoid suspicion and gave him access that made this easier to pull off.

Now, you may have a point here. If you started with this and ended with this it would have been a decent point. Maybe he had access to things that helped him. But I'm 100% positive they didn't witness hin carrying 20 rifles to his room and tell him to make sure he gets his video poker in before shooting up the place.
 
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Could you imagine waking up one day with the ability to know everything and the first thing you know is that Alex Jones is actually stating the truth about everything he has said in the past....
 
Because Islam helps the Dem's (and Rep's) goal of creating a world police and a world without borders by destabilizing countries. But more short term, immediate impact is $$$$$$$$. Islam is rich.
The trick is getting them here with general idiot Dem support BEFORE they start to inflict their numbers and influence on local gov'ts in EU.

If we start to see Sharia-type gov't takeovers due to capitulation, PC guilt and sheer Islam numbers in Germany, Sweeden and the UK, the Dems won't beable to deny that level of wokeness to even the most useful of idiots.

I mean... I think. Shit, I really put nothing past these people.
 
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See above Mandalay Bay is covering their tracks because they saw him walking the guns in and blew it off as eccentric high roller.



Just so people realize, Las Vegas attracts people of all walks, including some your biggest firearm enthusiast. The ShotShow 2018, pretty much the premier gun show in America, is being held in Las Vegas this year.

I'd bet my house and retirement you won't see an attack at that event.
 
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