Good lord. Trump could shit his pants on live television and some of you would claim he had a strategic reason for it.
Massacre on Bourbon St, 10 dead 30 injured
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Priming for what? Newsflash, the country was fed up with illegal immigration already, it’s one of the main reasons he won handily.And that right there is exactly why that was reported so loudly by certain news sources. To make you think the culprit was an illegal immigrant before any evidence came out. It was done purely to get people angrier.
And this is what the President Elect said just hours after the attack before any real facts were known. He is 100% priming you to blame illegal immigrants. If he's wrong, oh well you're still even more angry about illegal immigrants than you were before. If he's right, he gloats about it and says I told you so for weeks. It's irresponsible as hell and its only purpose is to get his supporters foaming at the mouth.
You’re right that the media jumps the gun, it happens over and over and over, just imagine if they never corrected their story even after evidence came out refuting their reporting, or pulitzers that were awarded for the false stories never were retracted.
It keeps the topic at the forefront of things because Trump is in campaign mode 24/7 and never actually in solutions mode. I would bet a pretty sum of money he doesn't have any idea how to solve this issue and will barely try. He'll get into office, put together some half assed executive order, have a press conference with some senior ICE official where he's all blustery, and then return to his golf course and never give it a second thought.
And yes, media does jump the gun all the time. It's specifically a strategy that right wing media uses to push an agenda. They'll falsely report something loudly, let it circle around the internet and get everyone all riled up, and then quietly correct it or make a retraction in a way where 99% of the people who saw the first story don't see the correction and the myth persists.
The fact that I care about is that 15 of your countrymen got crushed by a follower of a medieval “religion” and you’re raising hell that an inaccurate report about it may reflect badly on the 20 million people who chose to break our laws by coming in illegally.
Make it make sense to me.
That's not at all what my point was.
And I have zero effect on anything that could be done to prevent Islamic terror attacks. But I can point out that maybe a lot of you need to be less trusting of what your media outlets serve you.
Oh.. So you are OK with ignoring the 2nd amendment but not just closing the border and banning muslims from country with large jihadi groups? This is what I don't think some of you want to admit. The US has 5 or 6% of our population that are nutty and might do something violent.... There are muslim nations with 60% of the their population would kill for a chance to go to heaven.
It's mostly happening in large cities so i guess I should just quit worrying about and 'smile' every time an attack happens in a big city.
I still haven't seen a report of hearing the firearm shot in the truck.... Are cyber trucks noise proof too? for a .50 cal inside a cab?
Biden did and people said it didn't happen... so one is a "what if" the other is a "haha told ya".
Here is a guy that was reported to be a Terrorist that did time in I think Lebanon. He crossed our southern border and I have not heard if he's been caught yet. People wanting to dunk on reports of attack coming from across the border being wrong still need to understand that 100's if not 1000's of people on the terrorist watch list have crossed the southern border. An Afghani national tried to blow up a polling station on election day and that barely made the news once they figured out it was a migrant.
Those of you joking about worrying about vets over muslims... We already do that. Notice the people walking right by while this dude gets the full check.
What do you do when there is a mass school shooting by an American? Thoughts and prayers? I love that you demand action and making sure we pass common sense legislation when there is a Muslim attack, so I guess you also demand the same with a school shooting? Seems pretty reasonable to me. At least this makes you relate to the other side a little? Either way, nothing will happen, as the government has shown countless times. So thankfully now EVERYONE can be frustrated by government inaction. Cheers!
Nah, I would disagree here. Nothing will happen. I am of the opinion this is on purpose. It’s better to have the “threat” of something happening than for politicians to actually make something happen in order to emotionally rile up the voter base out of fear so they will vote. Like the threat of a federal abortion ban to rile up democrats to vote (will never happen) or the threat of taking guns away if the democrats will win (will never happen). Hell, the republicans couldn’t even manage to do anything with Obamacare that they bitched about for 8 years when they were in full control and the democrats didn’t even get marijuana off of the federal drug classification FFS. It’s better for them to get the citizens to argue over stupid lightning rod topics like this while they pass super shady shit while no one is paying attention. All my opinion of course. But my opinion is the government will do absolutely nothing 99% of the time
On domestic mass shootings... 90% of them are on srri's. At one point 6 school shooters in a row. were on the same exact medication and it was never even debated if that medicine should be pulled....
- More serious SSRI side effects include a greater risk of bleeding, suicidal thoughts, and changes in your heart rhythm. Serotonin syndrome can also occur. Get medical help right away if you experience any symptoms of serious side effects.
obviousl;y you want to pass these "common sense" gun laws that everyone agrees on... even though 90% of the shooting are done with legal guns even with more strict laws... but we can't talk about mental health or the use of srri's on children.
I think one problem is that you assume I am way over on the other side believing some weird witchcraft stuff. I just don't want to give up rights everytime something happens because people in our government have repeatedly proven they "will never let a crisis go to waste".
I get it - it’s all good. You don’t feel there should be any budge whatsoever on how or who a gun can be obtained. Likewise, there are people that feel there should be no budge whatsoever on how or who people enter the country. At the end of the day it’s all mental health issues, so I guess nothing can be done or should be tried. And guess what? The government agrees with you as they haven’t and almost certainly won’t address the issue or pass any legislation to curb it. So at the end of the day everyone can unite about their frustrations with the government. In a way, it’s actually a good thing!
OK... Here is the problem with your post.... We have a legal right to own guns. There are tons of laws on the books that aren't enforced as it is. Foreigners do not have a legal right to enter our country. We have the right to vet them and limit how many we want. There are people in our country on a terrorist watchlist who are not citizens.... DO YOU HEAR ME ON THIS? There are murderers and rapist in this country who are not citizens... do you think they have the right to stay here, and we have to take them?
But even after that... we aren't even talking about ssri's. Dude. 6 shooters in a row were on the same exact medicine and you want to make a new gun law before we even look at the medication. If we do that for everything then we'd be no different than communist countries.
I don't know if you've ever heard of High Trust vs Low Trust societies. The US has got to where it is because we largely have a high trust society. People tend to respect property rights and personal rights. This is very rare in the history of the world. Most societies enforce order through violence. That seems to be where you want this to go even though you don't seem to understand that. The more we bring in people that don't share our values the more people like you will demand those of us who have high trust values need to give up our rights in order to preserve safety and security...
There is actually a quote I heard once or twice. Something about people who exchange freedom for safety will get neither... Or something like that.
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Like liberals claiming the attempted assassination was staged or that Trump was not hit by a bullet, but by a piece of his teleprompter. LOL
Yup. Damn Fox News.
Like liberals claiming the attempted assassination was staged or that Trump was not hit by a bullet, but by a piece of his teleprompter. LOL
Yup. Damn Fox News.
I’m not arguing for anything, I’m saying there will be no ban or limit on Muslims in this country by the government in response to this mass killing. I’m saying this because there has been no ban or limit on pretty much anyone buying a gun in response to the 100 mass killings before this one. I’m just using previous instances similar to this to predict future legislation. That’s all. This is all my opinion of course. I’m not saying I agree with o e or the other, just what I think will happen.
The gun argument is a red herring to this thread. Gun laws would not have stopped the murders in NO. Rather than discuss cause, effect, and possible solutions related to NO, he wants to divert.
Maybe he does not care about the murdered people in NOs, but only cares about gun regulation.
Where did I say ban to a limit? This is the problem. You are thinking I'm saying something I am not saying. I realize people who are here and who are already citizens... we are stuck with them. But we absolutely have the right to vet who comes in and to deport people who engage in anti US protest or speech as a noncitizen. And also think you think I am making up some of the facts on who is here when you can litter ali look at videos posted by people trying to become citizens who say "death to America".... Surely you can agree we don't need those people? Being a good person doesn't require you to allow a dude to slit your throat.
Yes, I agree with you that illegal immigrants that say death to America are not what this country needs. But that is a red herring to this thread. It would not have stopped the murders in NO. Rather than discuss cause, effect, and possible solutions related to NO, you want to divert? Beats me.
Maybe you don’t care about the people in NO, but only care about Muslims or illegal immigrants?
Also on who can own a gun... Hunter Biden lied on his form to obtain a pistol and did zero jail time for that. That is a law on the book that was not enforced, and the gun was later thrown in a garbage can outside of a school.... But it was that guy, so we don't enforce the law that was on the books. I'm sure you were offended he didn't serve jail time for breaking a gun law.
You need to look into the Mosque attended then. It's been a hotbed of jihadi activity since 2001. Maybe if we'd have removed threats before they became citizens this dude wouldn't have been radicalized.
This is 100% false. And if you think it's true that's a bold claim to make without a factual source to prove it correct.
"There has been an assertion in certain parts of the media, especially social media, that the majority of individuals who have engaged in a school shooting were prescribed psychotropic medications prior to the event. To determine if there is any validity to this assertion, the authors of this article reviewed publicly available information regarding individuals involved in “educational shootings” per FBI publications for active shooters from 2000 to 2017. Sources of information included news reports with official citations, official reports regarding events, available court records, and FBI Freedom of Information Act requests. Secondary data-points were also collected, such as location, number of weapons used, number of victims, legal outcome, and whether the shooter committed suicide. From the information obtained, it appears that most school shooters were not previously treated with psychotropic medications – and even when they were, no direct or causal association was found."
To your point , Trump had control of congress for two years and did little to come up with a long term fix for the border issue. Same with the democrats, Joe had two years of congressional control and did nothing. But for whatever reason they don’t make it a rally cry like the R’s.
You wanna know what’s crazy? Right after that guy ate that pigeon he drove to 6 different gun shows in various states and bought 1,500 machine guns
LOL OK ... so the medication that says "may cause suicidal thoughts" had zero to do with school shootings. OK. Keep pushing out medicated kids and when we eventually get to a 100% medicated society we can all just act as though we are on probation at all times. We can call our government overlord to see if we can go out to eat or change jobs. It'll be great. LOL.
Not if he wasn't a citizen and not outside of his state of residence.... But good try. You at least need to know the law before you say we need new ones. That is the whole point but you want a low trust society so it makes sense to you...
There isn't one. I posted a peer reviewed study that completely refuted that and the response was "LOL OK ... so the medication that says "may cause suicidal thoughts" had zero to do with school shootings."
You're aware a side affect is not guaranteed right? Do you honestly think you know more about this than people who study it for a living? You understand what the phrase "no direct or causal association was found" means?
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7519390/
Here is the whole thing. the problem is they report any shooting of more than 3 people and within 5 miles of a school on this report which I would assume you realize aren't what we are talking about.... Drug dealers shooting each other 5 blocks from a school isn't the same thing. So they wiggle it down to only 23% or something by adding in all the gang violence.
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rel...s-merits-federal-investigation-300601826.html
This is a pretty good link but the point will be whether you believe a kid going inside a school and shooting people is different than 2 gangs shooting a few people on a street a few blocks away. That is where the debate is skewed. Unfortunately this is one of those politicized things that we aren't going to look at because if it's proven then lots of people lose tons of money selling drugs to kids.
Wiley.com... Yea boy. You got me. Maybe use Snopes next time and really stick it too me. LOL.
Answer three simple questions for me.
1. Do you actually know what Wiley.com is?
2. Do you have any actual facts to back up your claim on SSRIs?
3. Do you think the phrase "facts not feelings" is true?
How about this for anecdotal.... We didn't have school shooting until after we started giving kids ssri's. Purely anecdotal. Only thousands of years of human history of kids not mass killing other kids and then we inject them with a drug and that behavior sky rockets...
Amswer me this... Do kids that aren't on ssri's commit school shootings? I can't remember the last one that wasn't "on the spectrum".... For some reason we have a mental health crisis and you want to promote the people in charge while it happened.
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