Massacre on Bourbon St, 10 dead 30 injured

[Phil_The_Music]

Except for that one.....then you aren't for freedom of religion. There are anywhere from 3-5 million Muslims in the US. The majority of them peaceful and not Islamic terrorists.

Are you suggesting they be banned and/or deported? Yes or no?

Nope. Not banned or deported, but not allowed into positions of power, in our military, or really any of our institutions. Let me put it to you this way. If Joe Bob was a card carrying member and supporter of the KKK, but he swore, "hey don't worry I don't really want to kill black people, I'm peaceful." Would you want Joe Bob to be allowed on the city council, to teach our children, to be a cop, or be a senator?

 

[bbncal02]

Nope. Not banned or deported, but not allowed into positions of power, in our military, or really any of our institutions. Let me put it to you this way. If Joe Bob was a card carrying member and supporter of the KKK, but he swore, "hey don't worry I don't really want to kill black people, I'm peaceful." Would you want Joe Bob to be allowed on the city council, to teach our children, to be a cop, or be a senator?

So congrats, you just violated Article VI of the Constitution. And we've had SEVERAL members of the KKK or people closely associated with the KKK in public offices but very few people raised a big stink because they tended to lean right and were of a certain pigmented persuasion.

You're painting with an extremely broad brush and making broad assumptions about Muslims who are not Islamic Extremists.

 

[Phil_The_Music]

So congrats, you just violated Article VI of the Constitution. And we've had SEVERAL members of the KKK or people closely associated with the KKK in public offices but very few people raised a big stink because they tended to lean right and were of a certain pigmented persuasion.

You're painting with an extremely broad brush and making broad assumptions about Muslims who are not Islamic Extremists.

First, I didn't violate anything. I'm speaking my mind. Amendments to the constitution can be made and that's what I think should be done. Were any of those KKK ppl you speak of republicans, or were they actually democrats? Not sure you should be blaming "the right" for that. But this is a conversation im having with you. I asked you personally, would you be ok with it?

I can paint with a broad brush because every single person who calls themselves a muslim is following a doctrine that commands they do what are in the verses I provided. If they don't believe those commands, they should denounce that religion. You can keep calling the violent ones extremists until you are blue in the face, I'm not falling for it. There's a reason the middle east is a hell hole and always will be. If there were so many peaceful muslims, their homeland wouldn't be a war zone for a thousand years.

 

[bbncal02]

First, I didn't violate anything. I'm speaking my mind. Amendments to the constitution can be made and that's what I think should be done. Were any of those KKK ppl you speak of republicans, or were they actually democrats? Not sure you should be blaming "the right" for that. But this is a conversation im having with you. I asked you personally, would you be ok with it?

I can paint with a broad brush because every single person who calls themselves a muslim is following a doctrine that commands they do what are in the verses I provided. If they don't believe those commands, they should denounce that religion. You can keep calling the violent ones extremists until you are blue in the face, I'm not falling for it. There's a reason the middle east is a hell hole and always will be. If there were so many peaceful muslims, their homeland wouldn't be a war zone for a thousand years.

Good luck with that Amendment. It would never pass. The Framers made it difficult for a reason. So it couldn't be change on political whims. It's a rigorous process and it requires not only the will of lawmakers but also of the people as a whole.

Secondly, both parties have had KKK connections. And no I wasn't ok with that. The difference here lies in the fact the KKK was operating outside of US law. The Muslim faith in the US has not. Individuals may or may not have.

Third, you do realize there are parts of the Bible that call for violence in violation of rules as well? We don't tend to follow them now; every religion has parts that moderates don't follow or ignore.

You're comparing Middle East to the US, which has so many different factors that's a disingenuous comparison at best.

 

[Phil_The_Music]

Good luck with that Amendment. It would never pass. The Framers made it difficult for a reason. So it couldn't be change on political whims. It's a rigorous process and it requires not only the will of lawmakers but also of the people as a whole.

Secondly, both parties have had KKK connections. And no I wasn't ok with that. The difference here lies in the fact the KKK was operating outside of US law. The Muslim faith in the US has not. Individuals may or may not have.

Third, you do realize there are parts of the Bible that call for violence in violation of rules as well? We don't tend to follow them now; every religion has parts that moderates don't follow or ignore.

You're comparing Middle East to the US, which has so many different factors that's a disingenuous comparison at best.

I have no illusions that an amendment would happen. That doesn't change my view that it should. You asked me if I would ban them or deport them. I answered your question.

You, as I expected, avoided answering my question as it was asked. Being a member of the kkk isn't against the law. Would you want someone who is to have a position of power? I'll answer for you since you refuse. Of course you wouldn't, because they would be supporting a belief system based on hatred and bigotry, even if they swore they didn't act on it. You just can't admit to yourself that the muslim religion is the same thing. I don't think it's because you are stupid. You seem pretty intelligent to me. You have a big heart I think, and that blinds you from accepting what I feel is reality. I respect you for that believe it or not, but still disagree with your perspective.

As far as the Bible goes, Christians obey the teachings of the new testament because the old testament laws were fulfilled when Jesus came. But even so, I don't know of any verses in the old testament that specifically command the killing of non believers.

I never compared the middle east to the US. I'm comparing the middle east to the rest of the civilized world, you know, those parts that aren't predominantly muslim.

 

[PTI (pti)]

I mean, to me it really doesn't matter if he was APART of ISIS or just influenced by them. I personally would feel the same way if this killer did it in the name of Jesus. But the thing is, there really seems to be only one religion that's still killing in the name of said religion, here in 2024.

If you truly believe this, then you are woefully ignorant, and have had your head completely buried up your ass for the past 14 months, if not longer. You must have missed the part where American and Israeli leaders have invoked the Bible and Amalek to justify the killing of tens of thousands of innocent civilians in Gaza. It's truly sickening, regardless of your religious affiliation.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

If you truly believe this, then you are woefully ignorant, and have had your head completely buried up your ass for the past 14 months, if not longer. You must have missed the part where American and Israeli leaders have invoked the Bible and Amalek to justify the killing of tens of thousands of innocent civilians in Gaza. It's truly sickening, regardless of your religious affiliation.

Maybe Hamas shouldn't have struck first. Sure seems Isreal was *relatively* fine coexisting in the middle east, even if relationships were not good. Which, is basically like every other religion, especially here in the states. Coexisting. Not a hard concept.

Either way, now we know where you stand politically, religiously, etc. Took a while from your drive by trolling. Give my condolences to your family in the caves over there. And careful where you choose to buy your beepers lmfao.

 

[cole854]

If you truly believe this, then you are woefully ignorant, and have had your head completely buried up your ass for the past 14 months, if not longer. You must have missed the part where American and Israeli leaders have invoked the Bible and Amalek to justify the killing of tens of thousands of innocent civilians in Gaza. It's truly sickening, regardless of your religious affiliation.

You really need to sit this one out, equating a terrorist group w/ a middle east war.

 

[Hank Camacho]

Make of this what you will.

 

[PTI (pti)]

You really need to sit this one out, equating a terrorist group w/ a middle east war.

I’ll shortcut this for you: I’m against supporting war, terror, murder, etc. It’s especially heinous when done in the name of religion.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

All the reports of him coming over from Mexico were premature by people who wanted that narrative to be true.

Reports of the truck crossing the border recently were reasonably relevant in the early stages of the investigation. Seems both sides cannot keep their politics out of this thread.

 

[PTI (pti)]

Reports of the truck crossing the border recently were reasonably relevant in the early stages of the investigation. Seems both sides cannot keep their politics out of this thread.

It's also completely irresponsible for so many people in positions of high power to immediately make a knee jerk reaction and exploit the act or terror to push their own agenda without any actual evidence.

 

[cole854]

I’ll shortcut this for you: I’m against supporting war, terror, murder, etc. It’s especially heinous when done in the name of religion.

No one is disagreeing with you when you present it like this, but the fact that there are currently terrorist groups in our country killing people takes priority.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Went to Egypt for 10 whole days? Wow. He also served 9 years for the United States Army.


It's just truly a shame that so many people leap at the opportunity to promote their own narrative as they see fit in the wake of any tragedy.

The Isis flag in the truck is jumping to promote a narrative?

 

[hmt5000]

Went to Egypt for 10 whole days? Wow. He also served 9 years for the United States Army.


It's just truly a shame that so many people leap at the opportunity to promote their own narrative as they see fit in the wake of any tragedy.

Yea. There are 1000's of girls who have been raped in Europe because people don't want to appear racist. Saying what is plainly clear isn't racist. If the west doesn't start doing it we will all be Sharia countries and then you won't have any of the rights you do now.

 

[PTI (pti)]

No one is disagreeing with you when you present it like this, but the fact that there are currently terrorist groups in our country killing people takes priority.

Tell that to your friends in Washington, DC. They absolutely, unequivocally, 100% disagree with YOU.

11:40 mark:

the first bill im going to bring to this floor, in just a little while, will be in support of our dear friend israel, and we're overdue.....



I truly wish America was a priority. Sad that it's not.

The Isis flag in the truck is jumping to promote a narrative?

No. The usual cast of characters like Trump and MTG calling for the US to seal the border about 10 minutes after news of this attack by an American citizen and US Army veteran were very irresponsible and premature.

 

[hmt5000]

5 gallons of gasoline exploding. How could a SF guy not make a bomb that blows up as much a 5 gallon gas explosion?

 

[Tannerdad]

Wow. We get it.
You hate Jews and Republicans.
Just say it so we can actually talk about this “event” in NO.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

I can see it.

The Tesla thing is something else. Dude was a 36 year old sergeant major on active duty in the Green Berets. That's as close to real-life Rambo as it gets.

It would appear that (if it is a suicide bombing as it appears) he purposefully did it so no one would be hurt. The Sheriff out there said that the Tesla truck design created a shell that directed force upwards. He didn't use high explosive or shrapnel. Presumably this guy is capable of ultra violence at scale with his training and is highly intelligent or he wouldn't be in that rank.

Would have to be entirely symbolic if everything is as it seems. That does not seem to be the same motivation as the NOLA guy -- which was carnage.

Also, I will bet that it turns out NOLA was a lone wolf who was radicalized online. I doubt anyone provided any intentional aid to him. A truck attack is basically straight out of the ISIS manual.

This thread is full of points about the truck, but he also had a gun and, yet, no one here, to my knowledge, has identified what kind of gun. Don’t we need to know that?

Also, just a poll for the sake of curiosity, nothing more: how many people on this thread own an Isis flag?

 

[Ron Mehico]

PTI trying to fight the good fight 😂 At some point you just walk away and let them aimlessly bitch with each other until they lose steam and you maintain your sanity. What’s going on in the Middle East (or “caves” whatever that means) right now is incredibly sad. Thankfully we have some policies in place for America, world police, to save the day like they’ve effectively done the last 50 years.

 

[PTI (pti)]

My buddy actually wrote an article about the whole ISIS thing today.

Times Picayune


As more comes out about this guy, it seems like his life just spiraled out of control and radical Islam was like the cause du jour that he found solace in, or whatever. I'm not even sure how you prevent this going forward.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

So...you quoted me and chose in a thread about a terrorist act on US soil in which several Americans were killed, to play gotcha about polling from what, October? How old are you?

I'll address it so hopefully the handful of you obsessed will move on...I was incorrect. That happens in life. You make a prediction and sometimes you're correct, sometimes you're not. Every one of us has made predictions and been right but also wrong at times. Bringing that from a few months ago into this type of thread ain't the "Ha! Gotcha!" you think it is.

One more thing you forgot. Had you been correct, you would not have run and hid for the past month, but would have continued your incessant political baiting that you exhibited pre-election.

 

[hmt5000]

Good luck with that Amendment. It would never pass. The Framers made it difficult for a reason. So it couldn't be change on political whims. It's a rigorous process and it requires not only the will of lawmakers but also of the people as a whole.

Secondly, both parties have had KKK connections. And no I wasn't ok with that. The difference here lies in the fact the KKK was operating outside of US law. The Muslim faith in the US has not. Individuals may or may not have.

Third, you do realize there are parts of the Bible that call for violence in violation of rules as well? We don't tend to follow them now; every religion has parts that moderates don't follow or ignore.

You're comparing Middle East to the US, which has so many different factors that's a disingenuous comparison at best.

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2017/07/26/terrorism-and-concerns-about-extremism/

You can look through this polling. While US muslims support terrorism against civilians for political purposes is about 1/4 of ME muslims... It's still higher than we should want in our country. I've never met anyone my whole life who thought that killing civilians to get a political outcome. 12% of US muslims feel like sometimes you just have to kill some civilians.

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-app-a/

Look through this. 80% say suicide bombings are never justified... which means 20% are kinda....

US muslims are definitely less violent and less extreme than some areas which is why we should slow down the importing of immigrants from nations where over 50% believe in terrorism as a tool.

 

[Joerules19]

The head of Social Studies for all of JCPS is a ****ing lunatic and absolutely pushed this shit. He deleted his Twitter because it was radical af. But here's a link to him talking about how they are changing the way they teach black history.

Ryan New

To save you time from watching it, here are the five new pillars in which my 3rd grader will learn about black history rather than learning about, you know, what really happened in history:

1. Oppression and Power
2. Agency & Perseverance
3. Africa and African Diaspora
4. Black Joy & Love
5. Modern Connections

I know you don't have kids and think everything is overblown, but most public schools are run by left wingers with an agenda.

That last line is complete and utter bs. Most public schools are not run by left wingers. I won’t even ask for you to provide any sort of evidence as it doesn’t exist. Schools, admin, boards, teachers etc largely reflect the area they are in. Obviously if you are in a largely liberal area, you are going to have more liberal minded people involved in the decision making. With that being said there are huge parts of the country that aren’t liberal. Look at the outcome of the most recent election. Look at your typical red states. By and large they aren’t being led by left leaning individuals. Look at what Texas, LA, and FL have tried to do w schools in recent years. They are leaning further and further right. Google Ryan Walters and see what he has tried to do in Oklahoma

Look I get it. There are a lot of individuals out there in public schools with big agendas. But the agendas are coming from both sides

 

[Joerules19]

Maybe Hamas shouldn't have struck first. Sure seems Isreal was *relatively* fine coexisting in the middle east, even if relationships were not good. Which, is basically like every other religion, especially here in the states. Coexisting. Not a hard concept.

Either way, now we know where you stand politically, religiously, etc. Took a while from your drive by trolling. Give my condolences to your family in the caves over there. And careful where you choose to buy your beepers lmfao.

Come on man. Both sides have been striking at one another for hundreds of years. Let’s not act like Hamas started this whole thing in the ME. You know better than that

 

[Caveman Catfan]

There are still people who believe Trump colluded with Russia in 2016, Hunter’s laptop was Russian disinformation, Covid began in a wet market, ivermectin is horse medicine, Trump said there are fine people who are white supremacists, etc.

Damn you Fox News!!!

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Come on man. Both sides have been striking at one another for hundreds of years. Let’s not act like Hamas started this whole thing in the ME. You know better than that

Hamas? The governing body of Gaza? That Hamas?

 

[JumperJack]

Good luck with that Amendment. It would never pass. The Framers made it difficult for a reason. So it couldn't be change on political whims. It's a rigorous process and it requires not only the will of lawmakers but also of the people as a whole.

Secondly, both parties have had KKK connections. And no I wasn't ok with that. The difference here lies in the fact the KKK was operating outside of US law. The Muslim faith in the US has not. Individuals may or may not have.

Third, you do realize there are parts of the Bible that call for violence in violation of rules as well? We don't tend to follow them now; every religion has parts that moderates don't follow or ignore.

You're comparing Middle East to the US, which has so many different factors that's a disingenuous comparison at best.

Tell that to your friends in Washington, DC. They absolutely, unequivocally, 100% disagree with YOU.

11:40 mark:

the first bill im going to bring to this floor, in just a little while, will be in support of our dear friend israel, and we're overdue.....



I truly wish America was a priority. Sad that it's not.



No. The usual cast of characters like Trump and MTG calling for the US to seal the border about 10 minutes after news of this attack by an American citizen and US Army veteran were very irresponsible and premature.

What in the hell are you babbling about? There have been hundreds if not thousands of people killed and raped by illegals in the last four years, and that’s not counting the fentanyl.

No kidding- what’s your point? Because you’re hiding it very well.

 

[JumperJack]

There are still people who believe Trump colluded with Russia in 2016, Hunter’s laptop was Russian disinformation, Covid began in a wet market, ivermectin is horse medicine, Trump said there are fine people who are white supremacists, etc.

Damn you Fox News!!!

Same people in this thread who still want to pretend that all religions are the same.

 

[Bill Derington]

It's also completely irresponsible for so many people in positions of high power to immediately make a knee jerk reaction and exploit the act or terror to push their own agenda without any actual evidence.

Exploiting? It was reported that the truck crossed the mexican border, and it did. The border has been left wide open by the Biden admin, its not a great leap when the FBI says the truck used in an attack crossed the border to assume it was a foreign born driver. Irregardless of the attack, the border needs to be controlled, and the outgoing admin chose not to control it.

People are starved for info when something like this happens, it's been that way since the dawn of man, and it will continue until we're gone. The loss of trust in Govt, rightfully, has only amplified the thirst for actual knowledge.

 

[hmt5000]

Nothing in the Las Vegas attack adds up. The family, ex wife, and gf all seem to be saying something different and dude was recruiting SF guys to go to Ukraine but somehow couldn't make an effective bomb and just used some stuff he got at a walmart.

 

[Hank Camacho]

Nothing in the Las Vegas attack adds up. The family, ex wife, and gf all seem to be saying something different and dude was recruiting SF guys to go to Ukraine but somehow couldn't make an effective bomb and just used some stuff he got at a walmart.

It appears like he probably chose a cybertruck and fireworks / gas cans specifically to create a spectacle without causing fatalities.

I bet it will be that his training allowed him to make a bomb that caused limited damage, not that he screwed up a suicide bombing intended to cause fatalities.

 

[sefus12]

It appears like he probably chose a cybertruck and fireworks / gas cans specifically to create a spectacle without causing fatalities.

I bet it will be that his training allowed him to make a bomb that caused limited damage, not that he screwed up a suicide bombing intended to cause fatalities.

I’m not sure what the answer is, but I’m pretty sure what we are being told by the FBI/Authorities is far from the whole truth. I’m about as confident we will get actual answers as I am we will find out more about the Vegas shooter or who killed Seth Rich, but with the new admin there’s at least a tiny bit of hope. Maybe.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

It appears like he probably chose a cybertruck and fireworks / gas cans specifically to create a spectacle without causing fatalities.

I bet it will be that his training allowed him to make a bomb that caused limited damage, not that he screwed up a suicide bombing intended to cause fatalities.

That seems possible given the facts. Some statement about Musk and Trump?

 

[cole854]

It appears like he probably chose a cybertruck and fireworks / gas cans specifically to create a spectacle without causing fatalities.

I bet it will be that his training allowed him to make a bomb that caused limited damage, not that he screwed up a suicide bombing intended to cause fatalities.

You would lose that bet. He messed up. Period. You think he knew the cybertruck wouldn't explode out into the lobby? Better yet, let me put a bullet in my head even though my bomb isn't going to hurt anyone. SMH.

 

[cole854]

Yeah....he only intended to set off some sparklers....

 

[KAB Cats]

Well, this thread is predictably a cluster****

 

[KAB Cats]

So, two guys, who both served in Afghanistan, both served at Ft. Bragg and both rented a car using the same service... Commit acts of terrorism within hours of each other but by all reports had no contact with each other.

That shit is harder to believe that a lot of the conspiracy theories.

Albeit, it's possible, but reality is stranger than fiction sometimes...i guess.

 

[JumperJack]

So, two guys, who both served in Afghanistan, both served at Ft. Bragg and both rented a car using the same service... Commit acts of terrorism within hours of each other but by all reports had no contact with each other.

That shit is harder to believe that a lot of the conspiracy theories.

Albeit, it's possible, but reality is stranger than fiction sometimes...i guess.

The good news is that they weren’t illegal migrants so all is well.

 

[catsfanbgky]

Should we deport / label them terrorist, the people who are responsible for the mass shootings and attempts to assassinate political figures here in the US ? Have not seen many Muslims doing those kinds of things. Why do we not have the same outcry and demand of action against those types ? Maybe because some of you nut jobs actually agree with their point of view.