Massacre on Bourbon St, 10 dead 30 injured

[LineSkiCat14]

It's clear that he was influenced by ISIS to commit violence but do we really believe he's a part of a terrorist cell of ISIS/ISIL, who has been predominantly stamped out since about 2016? I mean, allegedly they were able to slaughter a hundred Russians earlier this year, but I'm thinking it's the case they just take credit for any act of terror to stay relevant.

That's the bigger point here. Everyone is concerned about making sure their side doesn't look bad that they keep ignoring the actual issue. Did this guy have money problems like the Vegas shooter? A history of mental illness (likely, they all do). Was there any indication that violence was a tendency for him (also likely based on the restraining order from 2nd wife)?

When we can start answering those questions, we may get better at stopping these things. For now, though, we keep giving monkeys knives and chanting.

I mean, to me it really doesn't matter if he was APART of ISIS or just influenced by them. I personally would feel the same way if this killer did it in the name of Jesus. But the thing is, there really seems to be only one religion that's still killing in the name of said religion, here in 2024.

Mental health is just a whole different issue. But we as a country CAN make concerted efforts to halt immigration from places with Isis activity, stronger border control, better vetting process. We can so much more easily reduce Isis activity on our own soil, than solve every single persons' mental health needs. And to me, that's a win. Will it stop ALL gun violence? ALL car violence? No.. but it would lessen it.

The Christmas Market deadly incident involving a vehicle last week.. while apparantly the arab was anti-muslim.. he was still a refuge, unstable, and still had ties to the middle east. 2016 Islamic extremist did a similar act. Truck rampage in Nice, same thing. All Isis related.

To me, this sort of feels like low-hanging fruit. Let's tackle some of the easy things first.

 

[WillGolf4Food]

If they were still collecting information, that would been the obvious thing to say. “This is an ongoing investigation with nothing specific to report at this time.”

Not, “this was not a terrorist event.”

Would agree and that’s a fair point. I get it, the three letter agencies have lost a lot of public trust. The one thing I do know for certain is unless one of us works for one of the agencies we really aren’t 100% certain of their motivations.

For me personally it doesn’t matter what they label an attack. The semantics are the least of my worries when I see something like this.

Curious, why does it matter what they label an attack? Do you think the FBI is protecting terrorist? Eventually all the facts will come out and we can decide for ourselves.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Would agree and that’s a fair point. I get it, the three letter agencies have lost a lot of public trust. The one thing I do know for certain is unless one of us works for one of the agencies we really aren’t 100% certain of their motivations.

For me personally it doesn’t matter what they label an attack. The semantics are the least of my worries when I see something like this.

Curious, why does it matter what they label an attack? Do you think the FBI is protecting terrorist? Eventually all the facts will come out and we can decide for ourselves.

Your 3rd part is very important in my opinion. Classification and labeling makes a world of difference. I've talked about this before but many people in media classify gang related shootings as "mass shootings". To me, those are immensely different. A real "mass shooting" can affect you or me, it's random in nature. Meanwhile a gang related "mass shooting" will never affect me. Not only that, but I'd argue that they are premeditated in nature and involve specific parties, and almost never anyone not related (of course, innocent bystanders can catch a stray). So yes, there's a big difference: I want to know if there's a true mass shooting near me, where quite frankly, I dont care about gang violence. It is what it is.

Same kind of applies to whether this was a Muslim related killing, or Christian related killing, or simply a mental health mass-killing.. because all three tells us where the problem is and Classification helps us figure that out. And to me, this is a Muslim problem 1st and a mental health issue 2nd.

Maybe MSM doesn't want to tell us who the assailant was because they've spent the last 8 years being on the side of muslims?

 

[Bill Cosby]

Would agree and that’s a fair point. I get it, the three letter agencies have lost a lot of public trust. The one thing I do know for certain is unless one of us works for one of the agencies we really aren’t 100% certain of their motivations.

For me personally it doesn’t matter what they label an attack. The semantics are the least of my worries when I see something like this.

Curious, why does it matter what they label an attack? Do you think the FBI is protecting terrorist? Eventually all the facts will come out and we can decide for ourselves.

What matters is an FBI agent feeling the need to rush in front of the cameras and immediately declare something wasn’t a terrorist attack, apparently before they had all the facts. If you haven’t noticed, the FBI has become, at best, wildly incompetent, or at worst just a police arm of the political establishment.

I’m sure we’ll get all those facts you talk about on the same timeline we’ll get those of the Vegas shooter. Or the Nashville bomber.

 

[Nightwish84]

Your 3rd part is very important in my opinion. Classification and labeling makes a world of difference. I've talked about this before but many people in media classify gang related shootings as "mass shootings". To me, those are immensely different. A real "mass shooting" can affect you or me, it's random in nature. Meanwhile a gang related "mass shooting" will never affect me. Not only that, but I'd argue that they are premeditated in nature and involve specific parties, and almost never anyone not related (of course, innocent bystanders can catch a stray). So yes, there's a big difference: I want to know if there's a true mass shooting near me, where quite frankly, I dont care about gang violence. It is what it is.

Same kind of applies to whether this was a Muslim related killing, or Christian related killing, or simply a mental health mass-killing.. because all three tells us where the problem is and Classification helps us figure that out. And to me, this is a Muslim problem 1st and a mental health issue 2nd.

Maybe MSM doesn't want to tell us who the assailant was because they've spent the last 8 years being on the side of muslims?

What is your solution if you consider this attack a Muslim problem first? I'll remind you this guy is a US citizen.

 

[catsfanbgky]

SO let me get this straight, 2 months ago someone from Texas rented a truck and crossed the border into Mexico (hell maybe it was a Mexican going back home to visit family)? Two months later another person from TEXAS rents the same truck out of TEXAS, and kills people in New Orleans, and it is because "we have a border problem" ? LOL, glad that some of you are not actual law enforcement officers. Tunnel vision causes lots of problems solving crimes.

Then we have 4 other suspects that wasn't real, but posters stated as FACT they was ?

Maybe the guy rented the truck months ago, went to Mexico, picked up the 4 fictional helpers, had them lay up at his house for 2 months while they all planned out this attack ?

LOL, maybe WAIT until rumors are CONFIRMED as fact before running to message boards and shouting / beating the war drum using multiple false statements.

 

[WillGolf4Food]

If you haven’t noticed, the FBI has become, at best, wildly incompetent, or at worst just a police arm of the political establishment.

To be fair I retired 12 years ago and did a bit of tuning out, turning on and avoided too much politics. Was raised in a political family, loved discussing issues but then the tribalism set in on both sides. Sabers were drawn, tongues were sharpened, hyperbole ruled the day, values were compromised and an honest conversation was just too hard to find.

But frustration with ANY government agency is completely understood.

 

[BankerCat12]

Saw the Vegas guy was shot in the head and the explosives found in the car was pretty much amateur hour for his skill set and background. Could he have been killed and the cyber truck programmed to drive to Trumps hotel? I would think they could watch the video and see a shot go off if he killed himself there.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

What is your solution if you consider this attack a Muslim problem first? I'll remind you this guy is a US citizen.

Maybe he shouldn't have been let into the country in the first place? Maybe the reports that he was reported to his COC (I believe these are still valid reports?) should have been taken seriously? If this guy was on the FBI watch list, maybe we need to address what we do with that watch list?

 

[PTI (pti)]

Wait, what? He was born in the United States, and so were his parents. And he served in the Army.

What should have been done to kick him out of the US?

 

[ImTheVillageIdiot]

It’s hard to understand why some sick people think that by destroying others’ lives that anything is accomplished. Prayers for all the affected families of this tragic event.

I blame the proliferation of secular humanism, which leads to nihilist fatalism as a natural result.

 

[Nightwish84]

Maybe he shouldn't have been let into the country in the first place? Maybe the reports that he was reported to his COC (I believe these are still valid reports?) should have been taken seriously? If this guy was on the FBI watch list, maybe we need to address what we do with that watch list?

In the first place? He. Was. Born. In. Texas. In making this a Muslim first issue, what does that mean and where does that end? You mention the border. He wasn't an immigrant. I sensed you may be open to some sort of Muslim ban, ie not allowing those of the Muslim faith in the US. Maybe you might even be open to kicking out those who follow Islam in America. If I'm incorrect, let me know. There are extremist issues within Islam that we all disagree with but making America a Muslim free utopia won't work. What would be next, banning young males because that's typically the profile of a mass shooter? Reminds me years after 9/11 many online said, "why won't Muslims stand up against extremism!" You mean Abdullah down the street who just wants to be left alone and not be the spokesperson for all of Islam?

 

[LineSkiCat14]

In the first place? He. Was. Born. In. Texas. In making this a Muslim first issue, what does that mean and where does that end? You mention the border. He wasn't an immigrant. I sensed you may be open to some sort of Muslim ban, ie not allowing those of the Muslim faith in the US. Maybe you might even be open to kicking out those who follow Islam in America. If I'm incorrect, let me know. There are extremist issues within Islam that we all disagree with but making America a Muslim free utopia won't work. What would be next, banning young males because that's typically the profile of a mass shooter? Reminds me years after 9/11 many online said, "why won't Muslims stand up against extremism!" You mean Abdullah down the street who just wants to be left alone and not be the spokesperson for all of Islam?

If they won't speak out against Muslim extremist than that's a problem. At some point this guy's FAMILY then came into the country. Maybe a limitation on heavily Muslim populated countries.

Fact remains, that any of these killings in mass for that have a religion backing, generally seem to be Muslim. This. The ones I listed above. Call a spade a spade, it's a problematic religion.

Regardless of all this, they apparently DID have information that this guy was becoming becoming radicalized and they did nothing. Is it too extensive to go knock on the doors of all potentially radicalized muslims? Then that's a problem lol.

Also, lmfao that we haven't even addressed the fact that Muslims are resorting to using cars for destruction, yesterdays truck attack is far frim the first. Almost like evil people will find a way to do evil things, guns or not.

 

[PTI (pti)]

Just want you to point out very clearly that all of LineSkis knee jerk reactions he’s offering would have been completely insufficient, irrelevant, and totally useless in this particular scenario.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Just want you to point out very clearly that all of LineSkis knee jerk reactions he’s offering would have been completely insufficient, irrelevant, and totally useless in this particular scenario.

The reports were out there that there could be 4 other involved suspects. I'm willing to back track on those, and I did. But we know your hard on for me goes like 6 years back lmfao.

 

[IdaCat]

Hey lefties, if you're not already out protesting with this scum, as is your standard operating procedure (See BLM protest braggarts on here), can you please take out your trash?

The protest — organized by the Palestinian Youth Movement, the Party for Socialism and Liberation and the People’s Forum — was led in a chant of “There is only one solution: intifada revolution.”

 

[Nightwish84]

If they won't speak out against Muslim extremist than that's a problem. At some point this guy's FAMILY then came into the country. Maybe a limitation on heavily Muslim populated countries.

Fact remains, that any of these killings in mass for that have a religion backing, generally seem to be Muslim. This. The ones I listed above. Call a spade a spade, it's a problematic religion.

Regardless of all this, they apparently DID have information that this guy was becoming becoming radicalized and they did nothing. Is it too extensive to go knock on the doors of all potentially radicalized muslims? Then that's a problem lol.

Also, lmfao that we haven't even addressed the fact that Muslims are resorting to using cars for destruction, yesterdays truck attack is far frim the first. Almost like evil people will find a way to do evil things, guns or not.

It's asinine to think Muslims living their lives need to speak out against other Muslims for extremist views those strangers may have. Whites don't have to do that when a pasty dork shoots up a school or business. My white parents didn't have to speak out against McVeigh in the public square. Regarding the guy's entire family, so we're looking at ancestry.com and punishing family trees now? Even a right leaning SCOTUS would laugh at that. You can't spin that he was born in Texas so you're pushing blame towards his extended family now and trying to make this a border issue.

The history is there that Islam can be problematic but you're not banning entire religions in America nor is it appropriate to paint all Muslims as a problem, which is where I sensed you were going. You're using this attack to push personal views on Muslims forward. It seems you see them as problematic but you also expect every Muslims to speak for you while what, wanting them pushed out of the country too? Maybe they'll say thank you after you kick them in the ass while we're at it lol.

Last point, we just had cops break into a wrong address in KY at midnight and kill the homeowner over stolen goods that weren't there. In every attack, there's red flags. Sometimes they're seen in time, sometimes they aren't. We don't have the manpower to knock on every door of every person who seems aggressive online and we're not targeting the homes of Muslims and giving them a once over in their living rooms. Even if there are some extremist posts on social media, you can't just send that person to a random country or charge them with a pre-crime like Minority Report. It's why shootings are frustrating.

 

[WillGolf4Food]

I don’t X but I’m guessing no one fact checks?

Intifada doesn’t mean mass murder of Americans. MSM would be grilled over this type of false statement but somehow they’re framed as the bad guys and apparently X gets away with it.

Considering the influence of x this had turned into bizzarro world.

 

[Mash 2.4]

I’d love to see a link(s) documenting this.

I’m sure Mother Jones and Vox ran the studies.

 

[IdaCat]

I don’t X but I’m guessing no one fact checks?

Intifada doesn’t mean mass murder of Americans. MSM would be grilled over this type of false statement but somehow they’re framed as the bad guys and apparently X gets away with it.

Considering the influence of x this had turned into bizzarro world.

Tell that to the N.O. victim's families.

 

[PTI (pti)]

They’re calling on the United States and Israel to quit killing Palestinians in an act they see (and a huge percentage of the world sees) as a genocide. I know you don’t care, but I figured I would share some common sense.

I live in New Orleans, and while I don’t know any of the victims, my wild ass guess is that none of their families are particularly concerned right now about an anti war protest demonstration 1,300 miles away.

 

[WillGolf4Food]

Tell that to the N.O. victim's families.

My point: intifada doesn’t mean death to Americans.

In no way shape or form is that point even remotely related to the NO attack. Only in the minds of hyperbole fueled tribalist.

 

[Ron Mehico]

These threads are so GD awful all the time, I mean good lord

 

[IdaCat]

My point: intifada doesn’t mean death to Americans.

In no way shape or form is that point even remotely related to the NO attack. Only in the minds of hyperbole fueled tribalist.

How do you know that it's not related? Has the final narrative been released?

I looked it up. And it includes violence as a possible directive.

The way you guys spin to selectively justify violence to suit your ideology is amazing.

 

[WillGolf4Food]

How do you know that it's not related? Has the final narrative been released?

I looked it up. And it includes violence as a possible directive.

The way you guys spin to selectively justify violence to suit your ideology is amazing.

You have no idea where my political ideology falls. None. And once again your tribalism suggests I justify violence when I’ve never suggested anything remotely close to that.

My point was over a definition. Now, to argue MY POINT you would have to prove that intifada does in fact mean death to Americans.

Of course you failed because it’s Arabic for uprising. This goes back to my earlier post to Bill that you can't even have an honest political dialog any more because tribalism has replaced logic.

 

[Mash 2.4]

You have no idea where my political ideology falls. None. And once again your tribalism suggests I justify violence when I’ve never suggested anything remotely close to that.

My point was over a definition. Now, to argue MY POINT you would have to prove that intifada does in fact mean death to Americans.

Of course you failed because it’s Arabic for uprising. This goes back to my earlier post to Bill that you can't even have an honest political dialog any more because tribalism has replaced logic.

I suppose then by this definition that the Hamas attack on the Israeli border that kicked this whole thing off was the beginning of this uprising? And people are protesting the Israelis fighting back? Not suggesting you are, but really hope some realize the cult of Islam that they’re supporting.

 

[IdaCat]

You have no idea where my political ideology falls. None. And once again your tribalism suggests I justify violence when I’ve never suggested anything remotely close to that.

My point was over a definition. Now, to argue MY POINT you would have to prove that intifada does in fact mean death to Americans.

Of course you failed because it’s Arabic for uprising. This goes back to my earlier post to Bill that you can't even have an honest political dialog any more because tribalism has replaced logic.

Wiki says "it refers to uprising by Palestinian people against Israeli occupation or Israel, involving both violent and nonviolent methods of resistance". I wouldn't be as concerned if these shitbags weren't actually IN AMERICA.

 

[PTI (pti)]

If you hate free speech so much, you should leave.

 

[IdaCat]

I support free speech. I also support having an opinion it.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

They have to separate themselves from the radical portions of muslims and writings of the Quran. I belive it's a 500 year more recent religion and it sure seems to behave like a religion from the 1500s.

The problem child needs to be the one to come to the table, not the rest of the family. AOC and others Islamic politicians and media members stand up there and almost never seem to call out their side and their radicals, if ever at all.

Also, save the absolutism bullshit. Like the left hasn't been in the political forums calling for ALL police or ALL guns. Can't have it both ways.

 

[Tannerdad]

I don’t X but I’m guessing no one fact checks?

Intifada doesn’t mean mass murder of Americans. MSM would be grilled over this type of false statement but somehow they’re framed as the bad guys and apparently X gets away with it.

Considering the influence of x this had turned into bizzarro world.

They are not being framed. They are the bad guy.

Carry on with the rest of your spin.

 

[PTI (pti)]

Add public school teachers to the list.




I remember Terrorist Training Camp, right between Algebra II and Advanced Civics.

 

[Irish Beck]

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I remember Terrorist Training Camp, right between Algebra II and Advanced Civics.

Shit like this cracks me up. I live in a pretty red area of NC and am married to a teacher. Most of our friends are in teaching positions.

To a letter, all of them are terrified about expressing a political opinion (of any creed) for fear of getting fired.

Those kids rat that shit out quickly.

 

[WillGolf4Food]

I suppose then by this definition that the Hamas attack on the Israeli border that kicked this whole thing off was the beginning of this uprising? And people are protesting the Israelis fighting back? Not suggesting you are, but really hope some realize the cult of Islam that they’re supporting.

I was simply pointing out that the message in the tweet was incorrect. Period. That was it. Didn’t choose a side, just showing the dangers of misleading information/hyperbole.

You’ll never see me side with Islam.

Wiki says "it refers to uprising by Palestinian people against Israeli occupation or Israel, involving both violent and nonviolent methods of resistance". I wouldn't be as concerned if these shitbags weren't actually IN AMERICA.

Looks like you learned it doesn't mean "the mass murder of Americans" which was the point I was making. Cheers.

 

[bbncal02]

Can you extrapolate on whether the freedom to practice a religion that calls for the murder and subjugation of non-adherents is actually what the Founders intended?

Because a great majority of those practices of said religion aren't radicals?

 

[bbncal02]

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I remember Terrorist Training Camp, right between Algebra II and Advanced Civics.

My mother taught in public schools for 30+ years. She was proud to be a teacher. I have friends who bust their ass everyday trying to give children a good education. Not gonna lie, if that dude said that near my person? Not sure how I'd react.

 

[WayneDougan]

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I remember Terrorist Training Camp, right between Algebra II and Advanced Civics.

The head of Social Studies for all of JCPS is a ****ing lunatic and absolutely pushed this shit. He deleted his Twitter because it was radical af. But here's a link to him talking about how they are changing the way they teach black history.

Ryan New

To save you time from watching it, here are the five new pillars in which my 3rd grader will learn about black history rather than learning about, you know, what really happened in history:

1. Oppression and Power
2. Agency & Perseverance
3. Africa and African Diaspora
4. Black Joy & Love
5. Modern Connections

I know you don't have kids and think everything is overblown, but most public schools are run by left wingers with an agenda.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

The head of Social Studies for all of JCPS is a ****ing lunatic and absolutely pushed this shit. He deleted his Twitter because it was radical af. But here's a link to him talking about how they are changing the way they teach black history.

Ryan New

To save you time from watching it, here are the five new pillars in which my 3rd grader will learn about black history rather than learning about, you know, what really happened in history:

1. Oppression and Power
2. Agency & Perseverance
3. Africa and African Diaspora
4. Black Joy & Love
5. Modern Connections

I know you don't have kids and think everything is overblown, but most public schools are run by left wingers with an agenda.

You must be mistaken. See my wife's sister is a teacher, and she said she'd never do that, so.. you're just wrong.

 

[Phil_The_Music]

Because a great majority of those practices of said religion aren't radicals?

Surah 3:151: "We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve (all non-Muslims) …"

Surah 2:191: "And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims)."

Surah 9:5: "Then kill the disbelievers (non-Muslims) wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush …"

Their so called "religion" commands them to be violent. The "peaceful" muslims are actually the radicals. The ones killing and blowing people up are the traditionalist. Sorry, but I don't trust anyone who professes to follow that evil doctrine. It's literally the only world religion that can't get along with all the other religions. And it's no wonder why. They are ordered not to! I'm all for freedom of religion except for that one. Be atheist, bhuddist, a wicken, I don't care, because killing non believers isn't their prime directive. The world is seeing what happens when you let evil run rampant under the guise of a "religion." If it doesn't eventually say enough is enough, it won't end well.

 

[bbncal02]

Surah 3:151: "We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve (all non-Muslims) …"

Surah 2:191: "And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims)."

Surah 9:5: "Then kill the disbelievers (non-Muslims) wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush …"

Their so called "religion" commands them to be violent. The "peaceful" muslims are actually the radicals. The ones killing and blowing people up are the traditionalist. Sorry, but I don't trust anyone who professes to follow that evil doctrine. It's literally the only world religion that can't get along with all the other religions. And it's no wonder why. They are ordered not to! I'm all for freedom of religion except for that one. Be atheist, bhuddist, a wicken, I don't care. Killing non believers isn't their prime directive. The world is seeing what happens when you let evil run rampant under the guise of a "religion." If it doesn't eventually say enough is enough, it won't end well.

Except for that one.....then you aren't for freedom of religion. There are anywhere from 3-5 million Muslims in the US. The majority of them peaceful and not Islamic terrorists.

Are you suggesting they be banned and/or deported? Yes or no?