Marvin Bagley
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Yes Bagley is the best highschool recruit I've seen in a while. Really want to get that young man.
Why is it that the best recruit regardless of age is always a Junior? I'm sure Bagley is great, but I'm not sure he's a better player than Ayton or Porter.
I know we are all just going off of our amateur mixtape-viewing scouting experience here, but how is anyone in that class, or any other, ranked ahead of Zion Williamson? That guy is just Old-Testament nasty.
I wouldn't worry. Cal doesn't really advertise where he's going to visit. UK fans typically find out the day of, or at best, a few days before.
I would want nothing more than to take Romeo Langford from the southern Indiana/Louisville area.
Looks like a UK-UCLA battle to me. One of several reasons I wanted Alford at IU.
Bagley is on a different level from guys in the 17 class. Zion Williamson is too. Porter is good but he is not as good as they two and he seems to me to be significantly better than number two. Ayton is good but not near the level of Bagley from what I have seen.
Oh yeah he's tough. His game reminds me of Monks game. I would love to get him signed up ASAP! Lol
. Bagley is Willie with Karl's skill set.
Bagley is the best prospect by far. Cal is after him hard, offered him as a sophomore which is something he almost never does. Zion Williamson is awesome but he's a 6'6 PF. He will be great in college and I want him no doubt but Bagley is head shoulders above as a prospect. Romeo and Bagley are must gets.
Recruiting analyst hype it that way to keep our interest up for a year or so and make $$$$. Next year another under classman will be the best and most hyped. Been like that for 50 years.
He's a rich man of what Perry Jones III was supposed to be. I remember watching him and thinking 6'11 guys shouldn't be able to do the things he can do and he went to Baylor and became average under Drew. Bagley is the improvement on that design. He's absolutely better than Ayton. Being better than Porter depends on needs I guess, but I'd still take MB. Guys incredible and still growing I think.
I'd imagine it'll be down to us, Duke (seem to be in a battle with them a lot more as of late with top recruits) and west coast schools like UCLA and Arizona. I'd love to get him off the coast but I'd rather him go there than to a school like Duke.
I'd imagine it'll be down to us, Duke (seem to be in a battle with them a lot more as of late with top recruits) and west coast schools like UCLA and Arizona. I'd love to get him off the coast but I'd rather him go there than to a school like Duke.
Just curious and this is for everyone, not just you. How do you all get to see all of the different players?
Don't really get the Zion Williamson slurp fest to be honest. Yes, he is a strong, physical specimen who can leap out of the gym. But he is an undersized, 6'6 maybe 6'7 on a good day, PF who can't shoot. He is a bull in a china shop in high school because he plays against horrible competition and is much stronger than his opponents. I have never seen him take a jumper. I love the dunk shot just as much as the next man, but what else can he do well?
Zion is dripping with potential. He has the things you can't teach. He is a very good rebounder and his athletic ability will allow him to be a beast on the offensive glass. He is a good ball handler and a good passer as well especially in the open court. He has another year of High School ball and a long time before he set foot on a college campus. With his natural talent he could improve to be something crazy good.
Zion Williamson is a freak athlete and of course he's going to be a beast in college, however Bagley will win games for you. He's always going to be the best player on the court.
Bagley and Ayton used to be on the same high school team. Bagley is better than Ayton.
Likewise, Bagley's class is better than Ayton's class.
most of these kids who are national prospects play 3-4 games a year on tv in the different big time prep hoops showcases. If you go to an Oak Hill, Findlay, Montverde, etc... you probably play on tv more than that even 7-8 times a year. It might be on at 1pm during a tuesday but you can record it or find them on espn3. It's not hard to see a lot of these kids play actual games and not just see 3 minute mixtapes of dunk after dunk. Cause those tell you nothing essentially. Seventh Woods, Deuce Bello, CJ Leslie, Quincy Miller, hoop mixtape legends. Tyler Ulis, Jamal Murrary, Doron Lamb, not hoop mixtape legends. We know that story
i used to make it more appointment viewing than i do now. I've sort of realized now there are 2 kinds of john calipari 5 star recruits. The can't miss Wall, Cousins, Davis, Towns, MKG, etc... group who i know will be studs out of the gate who are usually ranked in the top 5 of their respective classes. Then you have the guys ranked 6-30 who can be studs a la Murray, Monk, Ulis, Booker, Bledsoe, Lamb, Jones, etc... can be good but not great Harrison's, Lyles, Teague, Goodwin, etc... then the not total busts but never going to live up to expectations group Poythress, Lee, Briscoe, etc... Skal is the only total bust i'd say Cal's gotten.
So i guess my point is I hope we get as many of those top 5 kind of guys as possible and then I never judge the rest anymore til i see them play college ball, too much of a wide variety to know anything really and you get burned more often than not thinking those fringe guys who get the UK bump to be McD's all americans when they dont deserve are going to be better than they actually are.
I have not seen Bagley play live...too bad for me. However, I have seen him on TV 3-4 times. I believe he is the best player to come along since Anthony Davis. If he signs on with UK, a national championship is in the works.
GBB!!!
Haha true. One year ago, that's exactly what people were saying about Ayton.
Bagley is filthy good though.
With Cal as coach at Kentucky, one good thing we never have to worry about is recruiting the best players and signing them to play at Kentucky. I don't know much about this kid, but it's obvious the talent is there to be a special player. Unless the kid has family coaching at a school, or has a mom/dad that hates Cal, i wouldn't worry about where we stand with this kid at this stage of his recruitment. With Cal as coach of Kentucky, when the kid is ready to talk recruiting, we all know Kentucky wiill be in the mix to land his services. No coach in the game is the recruiter Cal is. If we all can see the talent this kid has, i'm pretty sure Cal also knows about the kid's talent level and will have the kid showing major interests in Kentucky when it's time to sign on the dotted line.
People need to keep Bagley's age in mind. He just turned 18 a few weeks ago. What that means is if he can make a semi-credible claim that he has enough credits to be considered a HS grad in a few months, he doesn't ever have to play college basketball. He can go straight into the draft next year. And unlike Diallo, that wouldn't be any kind of gamble. Bagley is going top 5 whenever he's eligible.
There was always a question mark about how the NBA viewed the "19 years old the year of the draft and one year removed from HS graduating class" rule, because there was a grey area with guys attending prep schools that allowed 5th year players. When they let Thon Maker (who had a ton of questions about his academic eligibility for college) into the draft, they answered those questions pretty definitively. They're mainly concerned about the age aspect of the rule, and as long as someone with some kind of certification is willing to say that a player had enough credits to be considered a graduate, they're not going to be picky about that part.
I would be less than surprised if Bagley never sets foot on a college campus. If that becomes the plan, we'll probably hear rumblings about it in the next few months.
There was always a question mark about how the NBA viewed the "19 years old the year of the draft and one year removed from HS graduating class" rule, because there was a grey area with guys attending prep schools that allowed 5th year players. When they let Thon Maker (who had a ton of questions about his academic eligibility for college) into the draft, they answered those questions pretty definitively. They're mainly concerned about the age aspect of the rule, and as long as someone with some kind of certification is willing to say that a player had enough credits to be considered a graduate, they're not going to be picky about that part.
I would be less than surprised if Bagley never sets foot on a college campus. If that becomes the plan, we'll probably hear rumblings about it in the next few months.
that'd be interesting. Certainly, if he can hit the draft he should. As much as I love it, there isn't a really good reason for a prospect to play college basketball except for exposure.
I disagree with this. There are very very few players who can't benefit from college ball. LeBron being the epitome of that example. College gives you a base to build off of when you go to the NBA. It's a segway into a lifestyle most 18 and 19 year olds aren't ready for whether it be to gain weight before being thrown to grown men in the paint, or how to handle a team of equally talented players before being expected to lead a group of veterans as a teenager.
Take Davis and KAT for example. KAT was a face up 7 footer coming in and Cal stuck his butt in the post and turned him into the most dominating post man under the age of 20 in the country. He could have learned to play in the NBA, absolutely, but the transitioning helped from college to NBA as opposed to jumping straight in. Same thing with Davis. I remember watching Davis go up against Jones a few months before the season started and Jones made Davis his whipping boy for the 2 days we were allowed to watch. He was too skinny and didn't know how to handle someone so big and powerful (who's considered average when compared to NBA big men). By the halfway mark of the year, Davis had added weight AND adjusted his play to account for his body and the bodies of other big men and the transition helped him when he got to the NBA. The talent and potential were never in question. But even after a year in college, Davis' body still is having a hard time adjusting to the NBA with his plethora of minor injuries that can sometimes be related to his body. Imagine if he'd gone straight to the NBA at 180 pounds instead of getting up to 220 by the NBA draft the following year.
Point is, Bagley is incredibly talented but the things he's doing now at the high school level won't happen against the elite big men of the NBA. 2 of which I just talked about. He'd have a hard time, as an 18 year old, succeeding against Cousins, Davis, KAT, Embiid, etc etc. I still think he'd look better at the same point in his career if he had 1 year of college under his belt at a program like UK.
/rant
I know we're saying not to get hyped on Mixtapes and whatnot but this is still fun to watch. Kid is insane.
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