Lol Scangrello
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It is too early to make the call on this guy but things are certainly not great to start out.
we may never see a combination on offense as good as Levis/Rodriguez/Brown/Key/Robinson but our offensive line might be the worst in power 5.
don’t think that is his fault but when you know your weakness you have to coach around it. If I could tell you how to play winning football with no offensive line though I wouldn’t be on a message board so don’t ask me how.
If I had to say anything I would suggest maybe moving outside of the pocket. The opposing pass rush has no fear. They are able to bill rush to the qb and if they don’t get there it doesn’t matter. How many times today did Rattler kill us on third down or on 2nd by getting out of the pocket, finding a receiver or scrambling for 4 yards to make the next play manageable. Our issue seems to be if the play doesn’t work it’s automatically a loss of 5-6 yards on a pass play, it’s hard to win against a good team like that.
we may never see a combination on offense as good as Levis/Rodriguez/Brown/Key/Robinson but our offensive line might be the worst in power 5.
don’t think that is his fault but when you know your weakness you have to coach around it. If I could tell you how to play winning football with no offensive line though I wouldn’t be on a message board so don’t ask me how.
If I had to say anything I would suggest maybe moving outside of the pocket. The opposing pass rush has no fear. They are able to bill rush to the qb and if they don’t get there it doesn’t matter. How many times today did Rattler kill us on third down or on 2nd by getting out of the pocket, finding a receiver or scrambling for 4 yards to make the next play manageable. Our issue seems to be if the play doesn’t work it’s automatically a loss of 5-6 yards on a pass play, it’s hard to win against a good team like that.
Cole Cubelic gave us the best insight possible tonight. It's clear that the move to a "pro" style of offense requires a certain understanding from the offensive line/coach. The number of missed assignments tells me it's either too complicated or we're incapable of running it. Either way, to assume they will just "get it" is asinine and has now cost us a game (combined with some of the worst calls we've seen since Shannon Dawson was OC).
That being said, Coen had to make adjustments to our blocking scheme last year and we turned out OK, so there is a chance. Will our OC figure that out? No clue. I do know that running 0 dig/simple slant routes and more screens for Brown/Key is criminal. I don't care who is QB, those aren't difficult throws or pass protection schemes.
The announcers even stated this during the game. Something way more complex than I can understand but it was about running plays and concepts and pointed out we do one good play then completely switch it up from what was working on the next one.
Because Rich Scangarello coaches offense like he's playing against the Seattle Seahawks on defense. In the NFL, you have to change blocking schemes and add unnecessary window dressing to keep the defense guessing. At this level, it's really unnecessary.
You could have lined up C-Rod for a HB Dive on 7 out of 10 plays and scored more points.
Eddie gran might have won this game. I am glad we moved on, but this was the type of game he was built for.
Keep in mind, it wasn't like the offense was tearing it up with Levis in the game. It's obvious our offensive line is an issue. Why it's an issue is up for debate. But it's also obvious that teams scheme around that problem every week and we can't seem to do that. It's also obvious we have more talent at RB/WR/TE/QB, than we've ever had and it hasn't exactly meant much in the grand scheme.
Our OC looks like a dud hire. He has the remainder of the season to figure it out.
Our OC looks like a dud hire. He has the remainder of the season to figure it out.
Eddie Gran may very well have won this game.
Were you not just last week arguing tooth and nail in favor of Him when a few of us were calling this out?
We haven’t been able to score points in SEC play all year. And while the line is an issue we are far too talented At QB and the skill positions to not be able to score points. Part of it is the ridiculously slow pace we play at.
What you don’t like telegraphed runs that take 5 minutes to get to the line of scrimmage or 7 step drops and eliminating Levis’ legs?
I did see any wow calls a tonight just a bunch of runs and little dump passes that did nothing but take 6 minutes to go 27 yards.
It’s pretty clear he is a step down. Is he as bad as we think? No idea. Is he worse than the guy he replaced? It’s not even a question.
Even before Levis out this game...
1. Offensive production is down and the TO's are about the same as last year (which we cleaned up down the stretch last year)
2. I am not sure about Scangerello......so I'll wait him out a bit.
3. But the Oline coach w/o question is not getting this unit to produce a bit. Cox and Horsey are having worse years than last year.....Manning has not really shown much as a Sr transfer. Not seen Flax, Burton, Wohlbaugh shine a bit. I'd be all for pulling the trigger on the Oline coach quickly vs. Scangerello
1. Offensive production is down and the TO's are about the same as last year (which we cleaned up down the stretch last year)
2. I am not sure about Scangerello......so I'll wait him out a bit.
3. But the Oline coach w/o question is not getting this unit to produce a bit. Cox and Horsey are having worse years than last year.....Manning has not really shown much as a Sr transfer. Not seen Flax, Burton, Wohlbaugh shine a bit. I'd be all for pulling the trigger on the Oline coach quickly vs. Scangerello
Gran got stale but he was a solid OC for us and was a very good OC prior to UK. He deserves more credit IMO.
His constant running of the clock when we are behind and have not proven yet this year that we can consistently churn out yards against a good opponent drives me insane.
He ain't exactly Steve Spurrier.
He ain't exactly Steve Spurrier.
3 historically bad plays in a row lost 2 games. Penalty although questionable, followed up by 2 fumbles. UK never really recovered from its first play which should not have been called in a fy QBs first play. Obvious comments but the OC needs a scheme players can handle.
1. We did recover from 1st play 7-7 at half - defense let team down by USC taking 2nd half kick off and scoring 7
2. Oline is historically bad not sure whose fault it is but it is the truth
3. If we were going to play with #12 hands tied behind his back I would have rather seen Robinson at QB running option with Crod
4. We play just as conservative on defense no pressure from Dline - not sure if scheme or lack of talent - we finally hit a blitz last night
5. I’m not all out on Scags - didn’t have Levis and Oline see #2
2. Oline is historically bad not sure whose fault it is but it is the truth
3. If we were going to play with #12 hands tied behind his back I would have rather seen Robinson at QB running option with Crod
4. We play just as conservative on defense no pressure from Dline - not sure if scheme or lack of talent - we finally hit a blitz last night
5. I’m not all out on Scags - didn’t have Levis and Oline see #2
I wrote about the OL in the preseason here. I mentioned that replacing 4 starters was going to be a task. It has been and most unbiased onlookers could see that. Not having your starter at QB is never any good either. Bama survived a&m yesterday with Milroe. And a&m is not a good team.
Somebody has to block for the skill guys to score.
You will win 0 games scoring 7 points. It’s not ok to lose every game even if your QB is hurt. Stop being dense. It’s the OCs job to figure it out. If he can’t do it, someone else can.
I promise you that the guy in Tennessee and the pirate could of done much better with the backup QB than we did. The new OC has handcuffed a top 10 QB because he is trying to mold him into an NFL QB in college.
The ole miss wasn’t his fault he didn’t make Levis fumble twice in the last minutes of the game he didn’t miss a field goal miss 2 extra points
It’s all on him. He owns the offense. If we execute better we’re not in a position they have to score late and we don’t have to kick FG. This is the most talented offense UK has ever had. They should be scoring 30+ points a game. Even with a mediocre Oline.
Get real. He called a great Ole Miss game. Will Levis choked like we’ve never seen, and for some reason people won’t admit that.
THAT WAS ONE GAME. It’s over, doesn’t matter. Will Levis is great…sometimes. Scang is great…sometimes. We’ll know for certain by years end.
This week, appeared COACH SCANG was drunk. No idea what he was doing. He quit, and our team quit. It was deplorable to watch.
It’s still one game. Future does not look bright, but that doesn’t mean Will Levis and our offense can’t finally figure it out. There are big games left, and we have enough talent to win them.
I’ll say something else unpopular. This Will Levis NFL talk has been poison. Last night we saw designed QB runs, plenty of rollouts, moving the pocket….with our damn 2nd QB. These are things Will Levis is built for, but for some odd reason he’s been stuck in the pocket like a statue. That’s by design for his NFL hopes and dreams, and I don’t like it. Will Levis is a threat, and we haven’t utilized him enough.
THAT WAS ONE GAME. It’s over, doesn’t matter. Will Levis is great…sometimes. Scang is great…sometimes. We’ll know for certain by years end.
This week, appeared COACH SCANG was drunk. No idea what he was doing. He quit, and our team quit. It was deplorable to watch.
It’s still one game. Future does not look bright, but that doesn’t mean Will Levis and our offense can’t finally figure it out. There are big games left, and we have enough talent to win them.
I’ll say something else unpopular. This Will Levis NFL talk has been poison. Last night we saw designed QB runs, plenty of rollouts, moving the pocket….with our damn 2nd QB. These are things Will Levis is built for, but for some odd reason he’s been stuck in the pocket like a statue. That’s by design for his NFL hopes and dreams, and I don’t like it. Will Levis is a threat, and we haven’t utilized him enough.
We have defintely taken a step back offensively. Levi's was tough as nails and motivated the team and the new OC took that away from him. It's probably hurt the play of Levi's too.
We have two STUD freshmen WRs, a transfer who would be WR2 just about anywhere and WR1 most places, the likely first QB in the draft, the best RB (imo) in school history… and are now
-32nd in passing O
-125th in rushing O (behind MIKE LEACH)
-77th in scoring O
-97th in total O
the numbers are pretty damning.
-32nd in passing O
-125th in rushing O (behind MIKE LEACH)
-77th in scoring O
-97th in total O
the numbers are pretty damning.
This and we haven't even hit the difficult part of our schedule yet..
Offense, specifically passing game, was fine all things considered. Back up QB with the worst OL in the country and a limited playbook/game plan did pretty good…scored twice…
C-rod fumbling to start the game is a freak outlier event…second game back with new oc, and again to reiterate, the worst ol…
Defense is giving up big momentum plays at the worst possible times.
The 14 play second drive in the 3rd that ended in a field goal via a 30 yd pass play is what tipped the scales. That drive ate up a bunch of clock and wore out the defense. 14-7 before that is manageable…asking a back up in his first game to come back from two scores when it’s been sack city is unrealistic.
C-rod fumbling to start the game is a freak outlier event…second game back with new oc, and again to reiterate, the worst ol…
Defense is giving up big momentum plays at the worst possible times.
The 14 play second drive in the 3rd that ended in a field goal via a 30 yd pass play is what tipped the scales. That drive ate up a bunch of clock and wore out the defense. 14-7 before that is manageable…asking a back up in his first game to come back from two scores when it’s been sack city is unrealistic.
Seems it should have been fairly simple to pound them with CRod then burn them on play action most of the night. However, 50% of the time Sheron dropped back with a defender bearing down on him unchecked... at least it felt that way. I feel like the design and instruction is just not getting it done. Those OL could be more effectively deployed.
Dude we’ve scored 26, 19, and 14 in non cupcake games. This offense has underachieved all year. You can try to blame it on Will if you want but that’s just stupid. Scouts know a lot more than you and think he’s great. Fumbles happen, you can’t put yourself in a situation where a single play beats you. Our offense is average with the best roster we’ve ever had. There’s been lots of UK teams with worse offensive lines than this whose offense were better. Scangrello has been a bust.
Scang led one of the worst offenses in the NFL when he called plays at Denver. They only averaged 17 ppg which was 28 out of 32 teams. It doesn't seem like he will be able to light up a scoreboard. Stoops brought him in because he thought he might could lure some talent with his NFL pedigree. If we don't use that talent and just try to melt clock like we do now, I highly doubt kids will want to play here. He's took Levi's from a dual threat to a drop back passer, so we probably won't move the chains as much as we did last year.. Will Levi's ran for 376 last year and is sitting at a negative 56 this year.
I fully believed in Scang early on. I thought his stint in Denver was unfair. I still do in that case because obviously he wasn’t the main problem. But he’s not done well at UK by any measurable standard. The eye test is even worse.
These coaches decided to help Levis’ draft stock instead of winning football games. The worst possible thing you could do with our O-line is keep levis stationary.
Selfishness is killing college athletics. “Get yours” is not productive to winning unless you’ve got crazy talent everywhere. We don’t.
These coaches decided to help Levis’ draft stock instead of winning football games. The worst possible thing you could do with our O-line is keep levis stationary.
Selfishness is killing college athletics. “Get yours” is not productive to winning unless you’ve got crazy talent everywhere. We don’t.
In hindsight, it was probably a mistake trying to find a guy to continue with Coen's concepts rather than just going out and finding the best available OC we could get.
Scang might have come from the same coaching tree, but definitely from a different branch. This offense looks nothing like what Coen ran. Coen's installed a simplified version of the offense that wasn't overly complicated, which is necessary at the college level. By comparison, Scang seems to be running a straight up NFL style that is overly complex and overly complicated at this level. I honestly don't think the OL is as bad as it looks. I just don't think they know what they are doing or being asked to do things that they aren't really capable of doing. Scang doesn't seem to have the ability to adapt and improvise the way Gran or Coen did. His system is too inflexible. At the college level, that can quickly lead to disaster.
Yenser may suck, or he might be okay if he were coaching a different scheme. But I certainly don't think Scang's offense is helping. Either way, if things don't improve dramatically in the next couple of games, it is obvious we are dealing with a stubborn OC who can't adapt. He may have to be removed before the season is over and the offense turned over to Eddie Gran. I would feel 1000x better with him in charge than Scang. He is at least flexible enough to find a way to win, using whatever means is necessary. He isn't bound to any one style of play. Mark Stoops wouldn't be at UK today if Eddie Gran hadn't saved his bacon by completely revamping his offense to fit the strengths of the personnel he had after a critical injury. It is a shame that tweak shoehorned Gran into a ground and pound guy in the minds of so many. That perception did hurt recruiting. But without it, Mark Stoops' tenure here would have likely looked about like his predecessor's and he'd be a DC again somewhere right now.
Scang might have come from the same coaching tree, but definitely from a different branch. This offense looks nothing like what Coen ran. Coen's installed a simplified version of the offense that wasn't overly complicated, which is necessary at the college level. By comparison, Scang seems to be running a straight up NFL style that is overly complex and overly complicated at this level. I honestly don't think the OL is as bad as it looks. I just don't think they know what they are doing or being asked to do things that they aren't really capable of doing. Scang doesn't seem to have the ability to adapt and improvise the way Gran or Coen did. His system is too inflexible. At the college level, that can quickly lead to disaster.
Yenser may suck, or he might be okay if he were coaching a different scheme. But I certainly don't think Scang's offense is helping. Either way, if things don't improve dramatically in the next couple of games, it is obvious we are dealing with a stubborn OC who can't adapt. He may have to be removed before the season is over and the offense turned over to Eddie Gran. I would feel 1000x better with him in charge than Scang. He is at least flexible enough to find a way to win, using whatever means is necessary. He isn't bound to any one style of play. Mark Stoops wouldn't be at UK today if Eddie Gran hadn't saved his bacon by completely revamping his offense to fit the strengths of the personnel he had after a critical injury. It is a shame that tweak shoehorned Gran into a ground and pound guy in the minds of so many. That perception did hurt recruiting. But without it, Mark Stoops' tenure here would have likely looked about like his predecessor's and he'd be a DC again somewhere right now.
Look at the OL's performance versus last season. From one of the best to one of the worst. A big talent drop off from last season. To lay all that on him is short sighted.
I don't know about that. At some point you 've got to make an explosive play. Carolina did. I think Scang and Stoops handcuffed Sheron on early downs and Beamer had it figured out.
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