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Lock up Kobi Simmons...

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I'm calling it now. Cal needs to lock up Kobi Simmons ASAP. This kid is a UK fan, a Top 20 recruit, the fact that we don't have him locked up yet is ridiculous. He's not going to scare off Fox or Monk. Think he would be great in a 3 guard lineup - much like we are going to feature this year.
 
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Gotta agree. I think Cal knows more about this situation than of us so I'm going to trust his judgement. The kid sounds like the perfect future wildcat and that is exactly what worries about this recruitment. All signs point to Should be wildcat, but yet, he's not at this point. I'll trust our coach and if later on he becomes a wildcat, I'll support that as well.
 
Before Cal I used to be concerned over losing elite players , I'm totally unconcerned about recruiting these days . If there is ever a time in uk history to not fret over recruiting it is now .
 
He initially said he was announcing on the 19th. Didn't happen. I'm not saying it'll be UK - but why wait if it's not UK? Just announce. Just saying..
 
Just what Cal needs -- recruiting advice. When the OP gets some spare time he should give Warren Buffet some investment advice. Maybe Stephen King could use some writing advice. De Niro could use some acting advice I'm sure.
 
I would be fine with landing Simmons. It won't scare off Fox or Monk. Gives us another ballhandler. Gives us another option on the wing with his size.

I don't see a downside to bringing him in.
 
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When I first saw the thread title, I thought our recruitment of this kid would be over since he got into some trouble and got arrested. Glad that's not the case. Later on if we strike out on a few kids, this dude would be a nice get and make everyone stop with the freaking out that would surely happen.
 
He just announced he's "final 3" -- Fisher says he's stalling and Matt Jones just said on Periscope that if UK wants Simmons - they get him.
 
He just announced he's "final 3" -- Fisher says he's stalling and Matt Jones just said on Periscope that if UK wants Simmons - they get him.
I believe this too. My guess is, though, they're going to see what happens with Bridges for sure and then see how things look with Gabriel before giving Simmons the unconditional green light. The longer Simmons waits, the better. I like him too but I think Cal sees him as a backup plan at this point.
 
I believe this too. My guess is, though, they're going to see what happens with Bridges for sure and then see how things look with Gabriel before giving Simmons the unconditional green light. The longer Simmons waits, the better. I like him too but I think Cal sees him as a backup plan at this point.

If K can try to add two PF/SF types in DeLaurier and Gabriel while waiting on Giles and with Tatum already in the fold, and MSU can go after three wings in Bridges, Langford, and Jackson, why can't we go ahead and add Simmons while waiting on Fox and Monk?
 
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If K can try to add two PF/SF types in DeLaurier and Gabriel while waiting on Giles and with Tatum already in the fold, and MSU can go after three wings in Bridges, Langford, and Jackson, why can't we go ahead and add Simmons while waiting on Fox and Monk?

Why can't "we"?
 
I'd be Ay-Oh-Kay locking up Simmons right now. Simmons, Monk, Fox, Bridges, SKJ, and maybe one more, and call it a class.
 
If K can try to add two PF/SF types in DeLaurier and Gabriel while waiting on Giles and with Tatum already in the fold, and MSU can go after three wings in Bridges, Langford, and Jackson, why can't we go ahead and add Simmons while waiting on Fox and Monk?
LOL you sorta answered your own question . K won't get all those , neither will MSU most likely . If we get a SF ( which will in either Bridges or Gabriel ) we won't have room for Simmons as we will already have Monk and Fox , 2 guys much better then Simmons . Make no mistake though Simmons will play in the NBA for a long time but he ain't on the level of any of the other guards we are in on.
 
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LOL you sorta answered your own question . K won't get all those , neither will MSU most likely . If we get a SF ( which will in either Bridges or Gabriel ) we won't have room for Simmons as we will already have Monk and Fox , 2 guys much better then Simmons . Make no mistake though Simmons will play in the NBA for a long time but he ain't on the level of any of the other guards we are in on.

I hope you are right about getting Bridges or Gabriel. I think Gabriel is more likely at this point.

Fox, Monk, Gabriel, and Killeya-Jones would be a killer class. We might need to add another big as well.
 
I've said all along take Simmons. Fox is the wait....not sure why they can't play together.

3 guard lineups are the way of the present & future
 
I thought Cal said he's done with the platooning? If so--why is it hard to envision a Fox/Monk backcourt as the guards, and then focus on other targets? Likely returning Matthews/Mulder so there is your options to fill in wing/backup 2G to go with whomever UK signs in Fall.

If Simmons was as good as some of you think, he'd be locked up. He's not and his situation is really on him. Call it what you like--but when you try to commit to a program and they don't accept--they have other ideas and you need to move on, but UK out of his recruitment makes his decision/announcement far less worthy of general fans and media paying attention.

Stated all along that if I'm UK or was a UK fan, I'd stay away from Simmons and you'll get better of deal with Fox and Monk--but based on seeing all 3, that is easier to project. Some see clips, or follow kids on twitter, etc......just think you will look back at this and laugh next year when you've brought in best backcourt in country and in some time with duo of Fox/Monk--which is likely to happen. Certain in regard to Fox--Monk I don't have same inside info--but heard some good things about their chances.
 
If Simmons were as good as some of us think? Listen pal, we are not the ones being paid to rate kids playing ball. Those guys are the ones who think this kid is better than you obviously think. He's rated pretty high for a kid who isn't even that good. I get why Cal is taking it slow. None of us will disagree with you about Fox being better. Most of us too think this. I don't buy the bs about Simmons not being that talented. He has talent. With no talent, you're not too 10-15. I wouldn't mind one bit if this kid were our backup at pg/SG/sf next year. If Cal decides this, I'll be thrilled. You can't ever have too many talented wings/guards. Fox is better, but that doesn't mean Simmon ain't good and could become great under Cal.
 
Fisher says we don't get Fox, Monk AND Simmons. If that's the case - I think we all know what's ideal.

Just kinda hard to turn down a 5 star that wants to be here and wants to commit now. Monk has a weird recruitment and seems quiet but, trust in Cal. He's know what he's doing.
 
Just kinda hard to turn down a 5 star that wants to be here and wants to commit now. Monk has a weird recruitment and seems quiet but, trust in Cal. He's know what he's doing.

I agree. However, IF Ulis were to return - and if we get lucky with Fox and Monk.. KS may be looking from the outside in on PT. However, I - like you - want the "fail safe" of having him. Trust in Cal.

I also wonder if Monk is keeping his recruitment quiet bc of the potential of leaving AK?
 
Is it already a preconceived notion that our 5'9 sophomore PG is going to enter the draft after this year? I personally think he stays, and I wouldn't be surprised if Briscoe stays, too. Then you really just need 2 of the 3 of Fox, Monk, Simmons. You also have a Matthews at the 3, who I think will be a potential AA candidate as a sophomore.

Not sure why people stress over recruiting. Cal's recruiting history not good enough for some on this board?
 
The question is will Cal go the distance(spring) with Monk and pass on KS.

Can't see UK getting Monk and Fox to sign in Nov with all of the underclassmen guards on the team.

IMO Charles Matthews is the starting SF for the 16'17 Cats.

Seems as there is still a lack of kids in the 16 class who "really" want to play at UK.
 
The question is will Cal go the distance(spring) with Monk and pass on KS.

Can't see UK getting Monk and Fox to sign in Nov with all of the underclassmen guards on the team.

IMO Charles Matthews is the starting SF for the 16'17 Cats.

Seems as there is still a lack of kids in the 16 class who "really" want to play at UK.

I think he'll wait. Cal wants Monk BAD it seems. Can't blame him -- kid is incredible. Feels like Fox is a fall sign -- may have to wait for Monk. Again -- Fisher says we don't get all 3.
 
fox is the closest thing to john wall since john wall. and we are going to get him. fans are oblivious and impatient when it comes to recruiting.
 
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I can see both sides ...
Lock him up - I agree
Wait let the other chips fall in place - I agree.

both arguments are right without knowing what's really going on.... but I think the one thing we can agree on is that we'll be OK either way. Plenty of players in this class, and even if we miss on a few other targets there will always be some quality players late that will reclassify or come out of nowhere.

If we don't land a SF... but we get Fox/Monk... Assuming Matthews develops into a solid player... Fox/Monk/Matthews at the 1,2,3 would be a NIGHTMARE defensively. Length/lateral quickness... we would be able to put hellacious ball pressure on opposing guards.

Haven't seen enough of Mulder to know what his overall athleticism is... we know he can jump... but haven't seen what type of defender he will be yet...
 
Yeah, lets take Simmons now and have Fox go off to Kansas. Great idea!
 
The thing I like about Simmons is that he seems to genuinely want to play for UK. 5 star player that can play three positions and defend at a high level. Top 20 overall in a loaded class. I do think Fox is a lock to UK if he's the #1 option at PG next year at UK. Too early to tell if that will be the case. Ulis, Briscoe and Murray would all have to enter the draft.
 
Yeah, lets take Simmons now and have Fox go off to Kansas. Great idea!
To be fair, if Fox is the alpha dog we think he is, he's not going to let KS affect his decision. He KNOWS he's the better player and will win any competition. Lee and Willis didn't scare off Randle.
 
To be fair, if Fox is the alpha dog we think he is, he's not going to let KS affect his decision. He KNOWS he's the better player and will win any competition. Lee and Willis didn't scare off Randle.
I think Cal is taking the right approach.
 
Lot of kids want to play for UK, Duke, etc....does that mean you take them? And lots of highly thought of players by the scouts/ranked high want to play for them and are turned away. Maybe some of you think since I'm not a UK fan that I've got a secretive motive about this. Reality is it's a lot easier to see things for what they are when you aren't tied to it. I've shared the Fox updates for some time--even prior to UK offering, turning up the interest. So I have nothing at stake. Also following the sport-you realize that UK recruiting is rarely as public as Kobi Simmons has handled his--the quotes, constant non informative updates to keep his name out there...(how many times is he going to announce the same thing?)

I'd assume most would want the type of kid who wanted the offer, played his way into getting it, and dominated on the Spring/Summer circuit. The other ran his mouth about "being their guy"--which honestly think some of you guys take that as important--you know how many recruits hear same thing in stages of a recruitment. If you are truly "their guy"--they accept a commitment and don't covet other players as your position. So that was not true. If you wanted that designation--play better, don't have an attitude at games in front of the Staff, not best option to openly talk of your recruitment (that isn't how UK does recruiting nor has it ever been in a Calipari program) and get tougher skin--one of Simmons biggest drawbacks is he doesn't take kindly to criticism and is that a great fit for a Calipari coached player?

Anyway, good luck to you guys in landing whomever it is you want.
 
To be fair, if Fox is the alpha dog we think he is, he's not going to let KS affect his decision. He KNOWS he's the better player and will win any competition. Lee and Willis didn't scare off Randle.
Weeeell, Simmons is a MUCH bigger threat to Fox than Willis was to Randle. Each kid is different too. It's possible Fox may have expressed concerns about depth and playing time, asking what the chances are Ulis and Briscoe stay, ask what other pg's he's recruiting etc.

Obviously, that's total speculation but the point is, there are a lot of things going on behind the scenes that may influence Cal's strategy.
 
I posted this in the other thread on Simmons when someone said a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush but, meh, here goes again.

Usually I would agree with that. This past year is really the first time that hasn't worked out though. And....it still kinda worked out. Cal's always been picky. He basically quit recruiting guys like CJ Leslie, Quincy Miller, and Chris Walker and ended up with Terrence Jones, Anthony Davis, and Julius Randle those years. Had we taken the first guys who "really wanted to be here" we wouldn't have gotten he superior option.

Now on the flip side, yeah, we kinda got burned this past year, but we still got the #1 class. Now I'm not going to brainlessly repeat "in Cal we trust", but he knows better than we do what kind of chance we have with each kid left. And with the results we've gotten this far, I'm in no position to criticize if he waits on Simmons to see what a couple other kids do.

That's my take. I totally understand those who want to lock Simmons up now though.
 
Lot of kids want to play for UK, Duke, etc....does that mean you take them? And lots of highly thought of players by the scouts/ranked high want to play for them and are turned away. Maybe some of you think since I'm not a UK fan that I've got a secretive motive about this. Reality is it's a lot easier to see things for what they are when you aren't tied to it. I've shared the Fox updates for some time--even prior to UK offering, turning up the interest. So I have nothing at stake. Also following the sport-you realize that UK recruiting is rarely as public as Kobi Simmons has handled his--the quotes, constant non informative updates to keep his name out there...(how many times is he going to announce the same thing?)

I'd assume most would want the type of kid who wanted the offer, played his way into getting it, and dominated on the Spring/Summer circuit. The other ran his mouth about "being their guy"--which honestly think some of you guys take that as important--you know how many recruits hear same thing in stages of a recruitment. If you are truly "their guy"--they accept a commitment and don't covet other players as your position. So that was not true. If you wanted that designation--play better, don't have an attitude at games in front of the Staff, not best option to openly talk of your recruitment (that isn't how UK does recruiting nor has it ever been in a Calipari program) and get tougher skin--one of Simmons biggest drawbacks is he doesn't take kindly to criticism and is that a great fit for a Calipari coached player?

Anyway, good luck to you guys in landing whomever it is you want.

Really interesting perspective. I think that's why so many of us maybe wonder how well the Fox are Monk recruitments are going because Cal keeps it so quiet. Out of curiosity - have you heard anything about Bridges or Gabriel?
 
Just kinda hard to turn down a 5 star that wants to be here and wants to commit now. Monk has a weird recruitment and seems quiet but, trust in Cal. He's know what he's doing.
Do you realize what Monks life would be like if he announced for Ky. At this point . He's keeping it quiet for a reason.
 
To be fair, if Fox is the alpha dog we think he is, he's not going to let KS affect his decision. He KNOWS he's the better player and will win any competition. Lee and Willis didn't scare off Randle.
But did Randle and Young scare off Wiggins? If we sign Simmons you can bet rival recruiters will be bringing up the dreaded PLATOON at Ky angle.
 
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