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Leonard Hamilton being sued for broken NIL promises

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I’m sure we’ll be seeing plenty more of these type lawsuits in the coming years. NIL is opening up a whole new lucrative area of litigation for our nation’s lawyers.

And, btw, former UK player Cam’ron Fletcher is one of those doing the suing.
 
Jesus, a $13 million dollar NIL deal for the UF QB recruit?

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Hamilton should be fired for offering Fletcher that kind of money.

All joking aside, without contracts it hard to see them winning. That Nevada QB that was promised money and left after two games is another example. It will make it hard to recruit if you get caught not honoring your word. I expect contract to be the standard to protect players and teams. Everybody is going to want one while signing.
 
Was there a contract? I thought there were no contracts at work in the NIL equation.

If there was a contact then why can't they put clauses in there to stop some of the abuses of the current system?
Bowel games are hard to watch now with players opting out. Before nil it made some kind of sense but if their getting paid, they better play in the bowel game. Watched Miami's QB deciding not to play in the second half the other night. That guy made bank this year. If I were paying NIL, I'd be pissed. Miami lost by one.
 
Bowel games are hard to watch now with players opting out. Before nil it made some kind of sense but if their getting paid, they better play in the bowel game. Watched Miami's QB deciding not to play in the second half the other night. That guy made bank this year. If I were paying NIL, I'd be pissed. Miami lost by one.
Bowel games? 😳
 
Go ahead and sue. I hope the whole thing comes tumbling down. This is getting absurd. I hope fans just shut down. I won't pay to go. When are the AD's going to come out and fire the NCAA and set some reasonable rules. Let it go to court. Somehow it is legal for pro sports to regulate.
 
NIL this is getting ridiculous. I loved the college game because it was college and stopped following the pros a while ago because of it was about the $$$$$. I’m almost to the point where I’m about done with it all!!!! I’m about to follow from afar…..
That’s what I’m doing. I’ll watch on TV until such time when/if I don’t want to anymore. But I’m not buying tickets and I contribute $0.00 to NIL. Fans aren’t powerless here but you have to be willing to walk away.
 
Was there a contract? I thought there were no contracts at work in the NIL equation.

If there was a contact then why can't they put clauses in there to stop some of the abuses of the current system?
Why can't they make it so that you get graded by your coach each week, and depending on your grade you get so much of the NIL the following week. Couple performance with pay, like the rest of the working class does.
 
These "promises" go both ways; you get NIL money for producing results.
I have no problem with any school who pays for play asking for a refund when said player craps the bed with poor results.
Works that way in real life so these kids need to get used to be held accountable.
Or sueing the daylights out of players who milk injuries or outright refuse to play.
 
These "promises" go both ways; you get NIL money for producing results.
I have no problem with any school who pays for play asking for a refund when said player craps the bed with poor results.
Works that way in real life so these kids need to get used to be held accountable.
NIL cannot be tied to results on the field or court.

You pay to use that person’s name, image or likeness. That’s it.

If you, as a business person paying, chose wrong then that’s on you to chose better.

Now, if the person you’re paying doesn’t show up for a photo shoot or video then they are in violation and you could most likely void your payment.

But you cannot make the payments outcome based.
 
NIL cannot be tied to results on the field or court.

You pay to use that person’s name, image or likeness. That’s it.

If you, as a business person paying, chose wrong then that’s on you to chose better.

Now, if the person you’re paying doesn’t show up for a photo shoot or video then they are in violation and you could most likely void your payment.

But you cannot make the payments outcome based.
I knew that but let’s be honest; you really think Duke is paying Flagg 3 million just for his looks?
You think UT paid all that money just so Lanier could take a few photo shots?

Big NIL is based on potential, previous years performance and has nothing to do with giving some kid a summer job.
 
NIL cannot be tied to results on the field or court.

You pay to use that person’s name, image or likeness. That’s it.

If you, as a business person paying, chose wrong then that’s on you to chose better.

Now, if the person you’re paying doesn’t show up for a photo shoot or video then they are in violation and you could most likely void your payment.

But you cannot make the payments outcome based.
I understand that it can't be tied to performance, but I'm just saying that it should be. Right now as it stands, the players have all the control. Once they have an agreement, what's to stop the player from deciding when he wants to play and when he doesn't...like the football bowl games. If you're getting paid for whatever like image likened, name, etc , then you need to play. I agree that the players were screwed early on, but they are obviously just taking advantage of the situation. It all goes back to ME, ME, ME!!!!
 
I'm no legal expert but if it was verbal and no written contract signed by both parties, then these players don't stand a shot. Text messages and verbal promises won't hold up in court. Good life lesson for these youngsters.
I guess it depends on the law in a state, but verbal promises/contracts in regard to most things (e.g., not real estate) can generally be enforced. I believe the issue in those situations would be how you prove the contract existed - e.g., you did something for the other party's benefit that you wouldn't have done without something being promised in return, witnesses would also be a big plus, and having text messages may actually be a slam dunk. However, someone familiar with the law in Florida may say that the rule is different there. I'm just suggesting that written contracts, while wise to have, are not necessarily required for most agreements.
 
I am upset that coach Pope hasn't paid me my money for offsetting all of the negative posts on this board with positive ones when he was first announced as the new head coach. There is no contract (never was) and we never discussed any of this, but in my mind, he owes me. Lol. My claim is probably more legitimate than those ex-FSU players.
 
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I read the article about the FSU players' suit. In the article, it talks about the suit that the quarterback has for $13 million. That is absolutely RIDICULOUS!!!! There is no FRESHMAN quarterback in the history of college football worth $13 million!!!!!! If the "collective" or whatever agreed to pay that, (and I'm not saying they did) then they deserve whatever happens to them.
 
We’ve have not even begun to see what rotten disasters the NIL is going to bring to college sports. I swear to God the jealousy it will bring is going to get somebody killed. It just a matter of time,
 
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I read the article about the FSU players' suit. In the article, it talks about the suit that the quarterback has for $13 million. That is absolutely RIDICULOUS!!!! There is no FRESHMAN quarterback in the history of college football worth $13 million!!!!!! If the "collective" or whatever agreed to pay that, (and I'm not saying they did) then they deserve whatever happens to them.
Yeah, it’s hard to make sense of that given that I assumed most of the total NIL budgets may not be 13M. Of course, in truth I don’t know what the NIL budgets are at any school. But I do wonder whether decisions like that quarterback are made based on the “value” the school places on that player in relation to their total NIL budget, or is it not based on relative value at all and instead just some super rich booster that wants his team to have that player and doesn’t care what the price tag is?
 
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We’ve have even begun to see what rotten disasters the NIL is going to bring to college sports. I swear to God the jealousy it will bring is going to get somebody killed. It just a matter of time,
I can see this being the end of collegiate sports, or some kind of system in place where only players outside the top 50 in each position play in college and without pay.
 
Nil is an ugly business that I will never probably fully understand..

There's too much money being thrown around in a level of sports that used to be amazing for the fans to enjoy and look forward to.

I do know the fans must love it because they keep contributing millions towards it while also filling the arenas/stadiums to the rafters every game.
 

I’m sure we’ll be seeing plenty more of these type lawsuits in the coming years. NIL is opening up a whole new lucrative area of litigation for our nation’s lawyers.

And, btw, former UK player Cam’ron Fletcher is one of those doing the suing.
I’m not sure the players wanna go down this road. Because of the way NIL is supposed to be structured I don’t know how he could be liable for such a thing anyway. Plus in the future schools may sue players for the exact same thing if they don’t preform.
 

I’m sure we’ll be seeing plenty more of these type lawsuits in the coming years. NIL is opening up a whole new lucrative area of litigation for our nation’s lawyers.

And, btw, former UK player Cam’ron Fletcher is one of those doing the suing.
This also shows how much our recruiting dipped under Cal later on. Cam Fletcher is a senior, now plays for Xavier and is averaging a huge 2/2 a game.
 
I'm no legal expert but if it was verbal and no written contract signed by both parties, then these players don't stand a shot. Text messages and verbal promises won't hold up in court. Good life lesson for these youngsters.

An oral agreement can absolutely be considered a contract if it meets an offer, an agreement, an intent to create a legal relationship, and a consideration (usually money). They're harder to prove in court, but they are absolutely enforceable if the court agrees the conditions of a contract/agreement were met. Now, that being said, all the other party has to do is deny it and it becomes very hard to prove. So always get something in writing. Heck, if all those conditions are met in a text message that absolutely can be upheld in court.
 
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Jay Wright, Tony Bennett and Nick Saban must be breathing a huge sigh of happy relief when they see these sort of stories.

“Thank God I got out just in time to not have to deal with this shit!”
 
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I guess it depends on the law in a state, but verbal promises/contracts in regard to most things (e.g., not real estate) can generally be enforced. I believe the issue in those situations would be how you prove the contract existed - e.g., you did something for the other party's benefit that you wouldn't have done without something being promised in return, witnesses would also be a big plus, and having text messages may actually be a slam dunk. However, someone familiar with the law in Florida may say that the rule is different there. I'm just suggesting that written contracts, while wise to have, are not necessarily required for most agreements.
Oral agreements can be enforced in Florida if you can prove the agreement had all of the elements of a legal contract, and it’s not a situation where the law explicitly requires a written contract.

It’ll be interesting to see how the courts view this lawsuit under the revised NIL law Florida passed in 2023. Florida’s original NIL law was much more restrictive (e.g., it banned schools from being involved), so Hamilton possibly could’ve argued the oral agreement wasn’t binding because it would’ve been illegal. But under the new NIL law, I don’t think he can make that argument. Florida’s law now allows schools to be much more involved.

However, the revised law does grant immunity to both the schools and their employees for routine actions that may damage an athlete’s NIL earnings. Perhaps Hamilton will attempt to argue that his misrepresentations constituted “routine actions” if he also has some evidence to prove he was initially acting in good faith. Although there are text messages from the head of FSU’s collective to one of the player’s parents that seem to indicate an acknowledgment that Hamilton was promising things he couldn’t deliver.

Moral of the story, don’t make promises you can’t keep. A lot of these problems could be avoided if the adults in the room would simply be honest with student athletes.
 
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The problem with NIL is that its not really "name, image and likeness." It was sold as letting players do a commercial or endorse a product. Except schools are turning NIL into a salaried payment system. I'd be interested in seeing a legal challenge emerge by saying what the players are getting isn't actually NIL but a salary and as such there can be conditions attached to it. But we're probably a ways off from that.
 
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