KU shooting 48% from 3 for the season

[Jkwo]

I also recall that the wall team was on track to be the best 3 point shooting team in UK history going by OOC play. Then they fell back to earth during conference play and had one of the most notorious 3 point meltdowns in the history of the tournament.

Unless you have a team with multiple established threats that everybody knew before the season were going to light it up, anything above 40% for a team is fool's gold in the long term.

 

[PenetrateAndScore]

Everyone has to go thru their 20's. It is a hard process. Harder for some. Greene is in the latter category.

He's not a "bad" kid- that wasn't what I meant. He is just his own worst enemy with some really stupid, and, yes, immature decisions off court as well as when to zip his lip.

From what I gathered, he got into it with the coaches about playing time, to the point Self brought his parents in so they could see exactly what was going on so there wouldn't be any 2 sided discussion for him to go moan about to mom and dad.

To Greene's dad's credit, it definitely does not sound like his son's behavior was something tolerated at home either. So, yes, you're right, he is still a kid messing up, not having serious legal problems or whatnot, but doing his best to blow his opportunity by shooting himself in the foot.

Better to clarify, he is definitely not a bad kid mixed up with the law.

 

[RC_Texas]

He's not a "bad" kid- that wasn't what I meant. He is just his own worst enemy with some really stupid, and, yes, immature decisions off court as well as when to zip his lip.

From what I gathered, he got into it with the coaches about playing time, to the point Self brought his parents in so they could see exactly what was going on so there wouldn't be any 2 sided discussion for him to go moan about to mom and dad.

To Greene's dad's credit, it definitely does not sound like his son's behavior was something tolerated at home either. So, yes, you're right, he is still a kid messing up, not having serious legal problems or whatnot, but doing his best to blow his opportunity by shooting himself in the foot.

Better to clarify, he is definitely not a bad kid mixed up with the law.

I understand what you are trying to say...he is a knucklehead. Doesn't like to play defense. Thinks that he understands better than the Head Coach. Great parents. But show poor decision making skills. But at 20, who has great decision making skills?

But he is a shooter! Shooters shoot. Think what the 3pt percentage would be if Greene wasn't on a 5-game vacation.

 

[dave5164]

Head Coach Bill Self starts his 13 season at Kansas this year. If you look at his Tourney Record at Kansas it has not been that good except the Win over Memphis in 2003-2004 vs. Coach Cal and a Loss vs Kentucky in 2011-2012 vs. Coach Cal in National Championship Games. After that Coach Self has lost 3 1st Round games, 3 second round games, 2 Sweet 16 losses, and 3 Elite 8 losses. If you don't look at the 2 years where Coach Self Won a Championship and Loss a Championship vs. Coach Cal the rest of his Post-Season record is not impressive. He is not even close to Coach Cal's Post-Season Records and the amount of times Cal has been to the FInal Fours. Kansas always seems to find a way to make an early exit from March Madness since Coach Self has been at Kansas. They usually choke in the 1st or 2nd Rounds of the NCAA Tourney.

 

[kubballfan23]

Head Coach Bill Self starts his 13 season at Kansas this year. If you look at his Tourney Record at Kansas it has not been that good except the Win over Memphis in 2003-2004 vs. Coach Cal and a Loss vs Kentucky in 2011-2012 vs. Coach Cal in National Championship Games. After that Coach Self has lost 3 1st Round games, 3 second round games, 2 Sweet 16 losses, and 3 Elite 8 losses. If you don't look at the 2 years where Coach Self Won a Championship and Loss a Championship vs. Coach Cal the rest of his Post-Season record is not impressive. He is not even close to Coach Cal's Post-Season Records and the amount of times Cal has been to the FInal Fours. Kansas always seems to find a way to make an early exit from March Madness since Coach Self has been at Kansas. They usually choke in the 1st or 2nd Rounds of the NCAA Tourney.

Cool.

 

[toonces11]

Greene is a freak. Besides Curry, I've never seen someone with a more dangerous stroke from behind the arc. Not saying his shot from anywhere on the floor is even close to Steph, but from 3 it's like NBA Jam "On Fire!" mode.

His antics off the court and attitude is killing any chance of him seeing consistent minutes for his time left there unless he ever gets his chit together.

He is def a very gifted shooter. He is just one of those guys that is his own worst enemy. Whether playing pitt state or kentucky----let me know when you see him hit a shot and not celebrate with some sort of over the top smoking gun motion, three googles, head shake, touchdown jesus arms, holstering of invisible weapons or something equally ridiculous. He doesn't have the ability to act like he has been there before and never will..........hopefully he makes enough that we just don't care.

 

[khuff80]

Head Coach Bill Self starts his 13 season at Kansas this year. If you look at his Tourney Record at Kansas it has not been that good except the Win over Memphis in 2003-2004 vs. Coach Cal and a Loss vs Kentucky in 2011-2012 vs. Coach Cal in National Championship Games. After that Coach Self has lost 3 1st Round games, 3 second round games, 2 Sweet 16 losses, and 3 Elite 8 losses. If you don't look at the 2 years where Coach Self Won a Championship and Loss a Championship vs. Coach Cal the rest of his Post-Season record is not impressive. He is not even close to Coach Cal's Post-Season Records and the amount of times Cal has been to the FInal Fours. Kansas always seems to find a way to make an early exit from March Madness since Coach Self has been at Kansas. They usually choke in the 1st or 2nd Rounds of the NCAA Tourney.

I didn't realize that 5 out of 12 times for Self's teams losing in the 1st or 2nd round (41.7%) was "usually". 2 of those 5 were also in his 2nd & 3rd seasons at Kansas so only 3 of his last 9 (33%) albeit both of the previous 2 seasons.

But in his middle years 4th - 10th it was a more impressive resume in '06/'07 - '12/'13 that's for sure: Elite 8, Championship, Sweet 16, 2nd Rd., Elite 8, Champ. Gm., Sweet 16 in those years.

 

[ipatent]

Could mean they are peaking too soon.

 

[UKBrassowTipIN]

2011 ohio state was 1st in the country in 3 point percentage, the overall number 1 seed...oh no, how will 8 loss uk ever beat them!?

 

[The_Answer1313]

I didn't realize that 5 out of 12 times for Self's teams losing in the 1st or 2nd round (41.7%) was "usually". 2 of those 5 were also in his 2nd & 3rd seasons at Kansas so only 3 of his last 9 (33%) albeit both of the previous 2 seasons.

But in his middle years 4th - 10th it was a more impressive resume in '06/'07 - '12/'13 that's for sure: Elite 8, Championship, Sweet 16, 2nd Rd., Elite 8, Champ. Gm., Sweet 16 in those years.

I think you also have to look at it based on expected outcomes. Kansas the past six seasons and 8 of the last 9 has either been a 1 or 2 seed (which is an incredible mark I have to say). But that also means the games they have lost in the 1st or 2nd round, they were expected to win.

Conversely you look at Cal and you could say he's only really underperformed in 2010 when they had a 1 seed. Tho they still made the elite eight that year and lost to a WVU team most people felt should have been a 1 seed over Duke
The other two seasons they were 1 seeds they won the title (2012) or made the final four (2015).

But the most remarkable IMO is the fact they were a 4 seed in 2011 and an 8 seed in 2014 and ended up in the final four.

Cal has been better than expected in the NCAA Tourny

 

[KyFord]

2011 ohio state was 1st in the country in 3 point percentage, the overall number 1 seed...oh no, how will 8 loss uk ever beat them!?

That was a great moment, what a shot by Brandon Knight

The best team in December isn't always the best team in March

 

[PenetrateAndScore]

2011 ohio state was 1st in the country in 3 point percentage, the overall number 1 seed...oh no, how will 8 loss uk ever beat them!?

They most likely won't keep that % up, I would agree. That said, if I had to put money down on it, I would bet their floor for the season would probably be ~42%.

 

[Big_C_KU]

I also recall that the wall team was on track to be the best 3 point shooting team in UK history going by OOC play. Then they fell back to earth during conference play and had one of the most notorious 3 point meltdowns in the history of the tournament.

Unless you have a team with multiple established threats that everybody knew before the season were going to light it up, anything above 40% for a team is fool's gold in the long term.

Actually we knew this would be a damn good shooting team. 48% good? No, but a strong chance to be 40%+.

Mason shot 42% last year and is shooting 45% this year. I expect he'll end up around 42% again.

Graham shot 42% last year and is shooting 43% this year. I expect he'll stay around that on the year.

Greene still shot 40% last year even with a terrible finish to last year after injuring his hip. Was shooting 50% before the injury. Is 8/9 so far this year for 89%. You expect that will go down but I'm sure that will be around 50%.

Svi shot terribly last year at 28%. This year he's up a little at 35%. He's taken 37 3s so far this year which is 2nd behind Selden in attempts.

Selden is who you'd call the anomaly. Shooting 60% after 36% last year. You know that will come down but will be intetesting to see how far. He's been shooting like this since the start of the WUGs and has had several streaks of hot shooting over the last couple years but nothing lasting. I think he'll end up between 45% and 50%.

They won't stay around 48%. Over 30 games it just doesn't work out that way. But I can definitely see them end up around 42-45% from 3.

 

[kubballfan23]

They most likely won't keep that % up, I would agree. That said, if I had to put money down on it, I would bet their floor for the season would probably be ~42%.

Both Kentucky and Kansas will end up with 3 point shooting percentages between 35.5 and 39.5.

Anyone want to bet on that?

I would put a lot of money on that

 

[Montana81]

I wouldn't bet on Kentucky getting to or above 35.5 right now. That would be going out on quite a limb.

Also 40% from 3 as a team for a season is outstanding but multiple teams manage it almost every year.

Now, I would bet against Kansas shooting 42% or better as someone else posted. That would be going out on a limb as well as I think it's been a few seasons since a team has finished that high.

 

[RC_Texas]

Both Kentucky and Kansas will end up with 3 point shooting percentages between 35.5 and 39.5.

Anyone want to bet on that?

Is that the combined average between 35.5% and 39.5% That is almost where it is today..

 

[PenetrateAndScore]

I wouldn't bet on Kentucky getting to or above 35.5 right now. That would be going out on quite a limb.

Also 40% from 3 as a team for a season is outstanding but multiple teams manage it almost every year.

Now, I would bet against Kansas shooting 42% or better as someone else posted. That would be going out on a limb as well as I think it's been a few seasons since a team has finished that high.

KU at or above 42% I would bet.

UK I wouldn't touch regardless the number. They've shot it worse than you would expect so far this season, so I have no doubt that percentage is going to go up.
All the same, you don't put money down on streaky shooters.
KU's got a few legitimate elite 3 point shooters, even when Greene and Selden's numbers drop. They've shot enough to show its not an aberration even though they're not going to keep 48% up. If they do, go ahead and stick a fork in the rest of CBB.

 

[Big_C_KU]

I wouldn't bet on Kentucky getting to or above 35.5 right now. That would be going out on quite a limb.

Also 40% from 3 as a team for a season is outstanding but multiple teams manage it almost every year.

Now, I would bet against Kansas shooting 42% or better as someone else posted. That would be going out on a limb as well as I think it's been a few seasons since a team has finished that high.

UC Davis shot 44% as a team last year. Everyone else was under 41%. Indiana highest power 6 school at 40%. I think they can shot 40-42%, maybe 43% though. It will all depend upon how the shooting translates over to conference play.

 

[Jkwo]

Actually we knew this would be a damn good shooting team. 48% good? No, but a strong chance to be 40%+.

Mason shot 42% last year and is shooting 45% this year. I expect he'll end up around 42% again.

Graham shot 42% last year and is shooting 43% this year. I expect he'll stay around that on the year.

Greene still shot 40% last year even with a terrible finish to last year after injuring his hip. Was shooting 50% before the injury. Is 8/9 so far this year for 89%. You expect that will go down but I'm sure that will be around 50%.

Svi shot terribly last year at 28%. This year he's up a little at 35%. He's taken 37 3s so far this year which is 2nd behind Selden in attempts.

Selden is who you'd call the anomaly. Shooting 60% after 36% last year. You know that will come down but will be intetesting to see how far. He's been shooting like this since the start of the WUGs and has had several streaks of hot shooting over the last couple years but nothing lasting. I think he'll end up between 45% and 50%.

They won't stay around 48%. Over 30 games it just doesn't work out that way. But I can definitely see them end up around 42-45% from 3.

Those are good numbers, but if you want to put some money on 44 or 45% for the season for the team, I will race as fast as my tired legs will carry me to the bank and make the biggest withdrawal of my lifetime.

 

[PenetrateAndScore]

Those are good numbers, but if you want to put some money on 44 or 45% for the season for the team, I will race as fast as my tired legs will carry me to the bank and make the biggest withdrawal of my lifetime.

Sure if you wanna give 1000 to 1 odds.

I'll bet you a Benjamin at 44%

 

[Jkwo]

Sure if you wanna give 1000 to 1 odds.

I'll bet you a Benjamin at 44%

If I had that much lying around, I might have to think about it.

Okay, not really, because out of principle I'd never do that on any bet, no matter how concrete.

But 10 to 1 for certain.

 

[PenetrateAndScore]

If I had that much lying around, I might have to think about it.

Okay, not really, because out of principle I'd never do that on any bet, no matter how concrete.

But 10 to 1 for certain.

43% for 100 to 1
42% for 10 to 1

I'll put up $100 .

 

[Big_C_KU]

Those are good numbers, but if you want to put some money on 44 or 45% for the season for the team, I will race as fast as my tired legs will carry me to the bank and make the biggest withdrawal of my lifetime.

We must have posted at the same time. I overstated the % after looking at what most teams did in the past. I never realized how hard it was to shoot above 42% for a team. Seems 1 or 2 teams does in every few years.

They went 7/16 today for 43%. I expect something like 40% to 43% is where they'll end up at and 42% or 43% is probably the extreme high. Can't go against history.

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

They will go through a stretch where they can't buy one, probably conference games on the road.