KU-Baylor Tied 55-55

[FiveStarCat]

Most Final Fours since 2000:

1. Big 10 (14)
2. Big East (10)
3. ACC (11)
4. SEC (9)
5. Big 12 (7)

I believe that list even counts West Virginia as Big 12 when they were in Big East in 2010.

The last non-KU Big 12 member in the Final Four was 2004 Oklahoma State. 2004! For a conference that has recently been shoved down our throats as the best conference out there, or at the very least right up there with the ACC and Big 10, it makes you wonder what you're missing.

Take from that data what you wish. To me it says that the Big 12 is either overrated most seasons or they have a ton of tournament caliber teams that really aren't championship level. 11 years with no Final Four from an entire conference outside of it's top team speaks for itself. Good conference but nowhere near the hype it receives. Not even close.

 

[khuff80]

It's one thing for a conference champion to get thumped by 32 vs UK..

But to lose by 25 to Temple the same season?

The conference champions?


What are the yearly NCAA tourney results for this decade long conference champion?

If you can't get past the 2nd round and teams like Temple prison rape you, just maybe all those conference teams you beat were not as great as they were hyped to be...?

***So 32 pt. loss to Kentucky & 25 pt. loss to Temple's typical of the previous 10 Jayhawk teams prior to 2015?! I think not. A little overly harsh & unrealistic there.

 

[khuff80]

The actual topic is the Big12 as a whole being overrated each year.

Has nothing to do with any other conference.

That said, if that conference has many less titles than other P5 schools over a period of time it is a legitimate point.

Actually the topic is "KU-Baylor Tied 55-55".

 

[brianpoe]

***So 32 pt. loss to Kentucky & 25 pt. loss to Temple's typical of the previous 10 Jayhawk teams prior to 2015?! I think not. A little overly harsh & unrealistic there.

Were you guys not conference champions last year?

I'm simply going off the most recent data.

Temple? 25?

 

[khuff80]

The actual topic is the Big12 as a whole being overrated each year.

Has nothing to do with any other conference.

That said, if that conference has many less titles than other P5 schools over a period of time it is a legitimate point.

***Only two Power 5 conferences can even boast over Kansas and/or the Big XII.....the SEC & the ACC

Since Self's been at KU:

No. of Titles:

1. UConn w/ 3 (in the American)
2. (tie) North Carolina, Florida & Duke w/ 2 (in the ACC, SEC & ACC, respectively)
5. (tie) Kansas, Kentucky & Louisville w/ 1 (in the Big XII, SEC & ACC, respectively)



Any reason that the PAC-12 or Big Ten should be able to boast over KU or the Big XII?

Kind of puts them "middle of the road". SEC & ACC as well as some of the schools from there better, but not the Big Ten or PAC-12 nor some of the schools from there.

 

[khuff80]

Were you guys not conference champions last year?

I'm simply going off the most recent data.

Temple? 25?

***Go back to your post - you made it sound like an annual every year occurrence.

 

[khuff80]

KU's record this year is an absolute mirage. KU has not lost 1 close game, even though they have been outplayed or trailed the majority of the game atleast 5 times. The only consistent occurrence in these games has been incredible one-sided officiating.

1) UK game ends with KU shooting last
17 free throws & 10 more in OT.
2) OU game ends with 13 consecutive
free throws in 2nd & 3rd OT while
Kansas commits not 1 foul during
same time period.
3) 2nd OU game ends with 1 of the
worst charge calls in CB history
against Hield that turns game to the
Dirty birds, not mentioning several
other questionable calls in
crunch time even though game is at
OU.
4) Baylor leads Kansas by 2 with under
6:00 to go @ Baylor. KU proceeds
Commit 0 fouls the rest of the way
while BU is whistled for 7.

Having KU ranked in the top 10 again this year is silly. Can't believe the media or analysts don't call the corrupt
Big 12 out on this. This crap happens every stinking year, allows KU to be seeded atleast 2 seedlines higher than
they should be, & I have to be constantly reminded of how these candy a$$es are on this remarkable
streak that is built on absolute horse
sh!t. I guess the silver lining of this sham is that we get to watch another
flamout lead by the mythical Bill Self.

This one wasn't a close game (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/playbyplay?gameId=400809204 ....down 2 w/ :29 left in a game in which they led for ~ 90 - 95% of it?!)


And No. 3 is certainly "full of shi!"...first of all IT WAS A CHARGE plain and simple - don't see how you call that one of the worst charge calls, and KU was getting the touch or breathe on them treatment at Norman much like you all did in Lawrence - Mason fouled out for as far as I know the first time ever. 2 or 3 others on the verge of fouling out and had that game gone to overtime they would have. Not to mention the ball out of bounds CLEARLY off of Cousins (far more obvious than a judgement call on the block/charge) & the foul that fouled Mason out giving Jordan Woodard 3 FTs that - what?! Did his fingernail hit him or something?! The number in that game were mind-boggling - what other clutch calls went their way in Norman 'cause I sure can't recall any. I WAS THERE and believe me even the OU fans were giving us that - that the refs were in their back pockets in that game.

 

[brianpoe]

***Only two Power 5 conferences can even boast over Kansas and/or the Big XII.....the SEC & the ACC

Since Self's been at KU:

No. of Titles:

1. UConn w/ 3 (in the American)
2. (tie) North Carolina, Florida & Duke w/ 2 (in the ACC, SEC & ACC, respectively)
5. (tie) Kansas, Kentucky & Louisville w/ 1 (in the Big XII, SEC & ACC, respectively)



Any reason that the PAC-12 or Big Ten should be able to boast over KU or the Big XII?

Kind of puts them "middle of the road". SEC & ACC as well as some of the schools from there better, but not the Big Ten or PAC-12 nor some of the schools from there.

We can all use our own timelines.

Since Cal has been at UK:

KU 0 titles
UK 1 title

 

[khuff80]

Gotta love Kansas Fan coming to Big Brother for affirmation.

What the hell does the SEC have to do with the Big 12? You run roughshod through that BS league every year and then choke in the tourney...as do your conference mates.

I don't care about the SEC. You don't see UK fans bragging about winning it. It does a helluva job preparing us for March, though. Can't say the same about the Big 12 for Kansas.

***So KU choked in '12? '11? '09? '08? '07? '04? I would argue didn't "choke" in any of those years and in one of those "looking back" type moves - had nothing to be overly ashamed about in losing to Michigan in OT in '13 either given how that ended up playing out.

'15, '14, '10....arguably '11 (they just got to the Elite 8, but VCU stomping them?!?!?, '06 & '05 in looking back at Self KU years. Immediately prior to that they were in the Championship Game & the Final Four in '03 & '02 though as well so.......

Not sure that Bucknell is any less embarrassing than Duke losing to Lehigh...maybe even less so since Bucknell was a 14-seed and not a 15.

 

[khuff80]

We can all use our own timelines.

Since Cal has been at UK:

KU 0 titles
UK 1 title

****I only use that timeline because all of you kept referring to the streak and the duration of it. Although to be honest the streak didn't begin with his first season there - so I should really eliminate '04.

 

[TexKat]

Kansas fans have been picking this fight since Calipari got here and we're finally responding. It's hilarious that a team we've owned throughout history is constantly talking ish, but whatever. I enjoy it. Anytime a Kansas fan runs their mouth, it's like a lob.

It does seem rather apparent that KU fandom speaks more negative re UK since Cals arrival. Been around many decades and I sure don't remember it being this way.

 

[wcc31]

***So KU choked in '12? '11? '09? '08? '07? '04? I would argue didn't "choke" in any of those years and in one of those "looking back" type moves - had nothing to be overly ashamed about in losing to Michigan in OT in '13 either given how that ended up playing out.

'15, '14, '10....arguably '11 (they just got to the Elite 8, but VCU stomping them?!?!?, '06 & '05 in looking back at Self KU years. Immediately prior to that they were in the Championship Game & the Final Four in '03 & '02 though as well so.......

Not sure that Bucknell is any less embarrassing than Duke losing to Lehigh...maybe even less so since Bucknell was a 14-seed and not a 15.

You can call it whatever you want. Considering your history, I group them all together as chokes, but I'd love to go down the list:

'15- lost handily to 7-seed Wichita State
'14- lost to 10-seed Stanford
'13- pooped down your leg, losing to 4-seed Michigan (you were a 1-seed thus missing playing to seed by two rounds)
'12- nice run, aided by UNC's injuries
'11- get a gift bracket and still choke against VCU in the E8
'10- the choke of all chokes, 2nd round against Northern Iowa
'09- Played to seed-> good job on your Sweet 16
'08- CHAMPS
'07- once again a 1-seed, and you lose to a lesser seed in the E8
'05/'06- first round gags to Bradley and Bucknell *CHOKE*
'04- benefiting from an open bracket, advance to E8 losing to a 3-seed

^ NOT very impressive. I'm not even getting into the Roy years.