UK football is third from the bottom in the nation of number of offenses plays. Coaches say its running plays from the sideline, motion, and other things. I would thought that stuff was for spring and fall. UK averages 56 plays....down from Scarangelos 62 last year and Coens 65 year one. Either the head guy is still holding the Reigns, the guys didn't pick up the play book or the offense is trying to go mad scientist...but that number is kinda bothersome.
Kind of troubling number
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I do wish UK would do more up tempo especially at certain times in a game. So far it seems UK running 30 seconds off the clock between every offensive play. Add this to new rules of Clock running after first downs except last 2 minutes in a half. Then clock starting back after out of bound play except in last 2 minutes of a half really means UK really not running as many offensive plays in a game.
This team just isn’t as good as I had hoped. We will have some real struggles this season. I think 7 wins is about right. But could be 6 honestly.
Return for a TD and defensive TD takes away offensive snaps.
Stoops will never keep his hands off the offense. It’s the one constant through every OC.
This offense is not designed to run 75+ plays a game. No pro style offense is. All NFL offenses averaged around 65 per game. I find funny that for years people on this board begged for a pro style offense and a good drop back passer. Now the O is exactly that and people still complain.
Only 17 offenses average 75+ plays a game right now and that will come down as we move into conference play. Nobody is asking for that.
UK is currently 120-something out of 130 teams in plays per a game. UK takes almost all of the play clock every play.
When EKU was up in the 2nd quarter we all knew it was going to be a close game until the 4th not cause EKU is good but cause our offense is slow and with the new clock rules there just wouldn’t be many possessions.
I think it’s a legitimate concern right now. Easily fixable though so no reason to panic.
Watching our offense walk around running the play clock down every stinking play while trailing EKU was pretty damn maddening.
Players are in a new system, so it's natural we'll take extra time off the clock trying to get calls in and make adjustments.
Defense needs to do its part to get our offense back on the field and not keep giving up third downs.
The sky isn't falling, Chicken Littles. Do we need to improve? Absolutely. Last Saturday was a steaming pile of shart by all accounts.
Defense needs to do its part to get our offense back on the field and not keep giving up third downs.
The sky isn't falling, Chicken Littles. Do we need to improve? Absolutely. Last Saturday was a steaming pile of shart by all accounts.
And yet there are still people on this board who don’t think that’s actually happening. 10+ yrs of proof isn’t enough for them.
If defense would force more 3 and outs, would help considerably
There are so many variables wjtb quite a few defensive scores and special teams plays along with a new rule in clock stoppage
But I do tire of watching UK get to the LOS and sit there with so many maneuvers only to get a motion penalties. At times it just needs to be run the damn play that’s called
But I do tire of watching UK get to the LOS and sit there with so many maneuvers only to get a motion penalties. At times it just needs to be run the damn play that’s called
Yeah the O hasn't been out there enough, needs to improve. IMO they have focused on getting the rust off Leary, calling lots of early pass plays, that leads to 2nd & 10 and 3rd & 10. Come SEC play we will see Davis run it more frequently in the 1st half, putting us in 2nd & 6 or better situations.
Game 1 we ran 51
Game 2 we ran 61
I'm betting we improve again week 3
Game 1 we ran 51
Game 2 we ran 61
I'm betting we improve again week 3
If there is one thing I have learned watching college football its snapping the ball faster always > than snapping it slower. Dont have to be gimmicky like UT but some tempo always better for your guys. Just creates more rhythm, energy focus etc. And doesnt let the defense dig in.
How many times can we run that out there ? If you keep hiring new people and people keep buying it … I guess forever
The rule change on stopping the clock has resulted in a fewer number of plays for every team ( more time for commercials but that is a rant for another post)
BUT............
We are who we are on offense under CMS.
The offense is running at the pace THAT HE WANTS IT TO RUN.....
Coen has told us Leary is a much better QB running up tempo and playing fast.
Leary has told us he is much more comfortable (and more accurate) not playing under center and running hurry-up offense.
CMS says, we ARE running pro style offense, get you but under center.
We will dick around getting a play call in. We will huddle. We will check with the sideline, we will make our blocking calls, and THEN when the playclock hits 2 seconds ,we will be clapping our hands like crazy trying to get the ball snapped, AND THEN we will hurry the play up.............
And that is who we will always be on offense with CMS.....
I hate to say it but you could be spot on here.
Let’s hope this is totally wrong and we are sand bagging a little.
But I highly doubt that’s going on.
Stoops has no power to force an OC to stay with our program. Coen and Brown left for greener pastures. Stoops fired one of his good buddies when it was apparent he'd lost control of the offense. Stoops fired his two worst OCs after they destroyed the offense in a single year. I don't know what more you want from the dude.
Way too many fans act like we have the ability to pull big name OCs every year like Bama and UGA. We don't, so we can't, and sometimes hires that look good on paper end up biting us in the ass, a la Scangarello. When Coen leaves, I want you to go grab a Grubb or a Sean Lewis for us.
And Leary says he specifically came here to run a pro style offense. Apparently, he would not be here otherwise.
Yes, he did. But that doesn't alter the fact that he is struggling to run a pro style offense.
Looked much better in the second half Sat, let's hope that's what's on the horizon.
Yes, he did. And Liam Coen called some fantastic plays to get the offense going......AND......they increased the tempo in the second half.
I am way more concerned about the defense than I am about the offense. I believe Coen will figure out the plays that Leary is comfortable with and pass plays he can complete at a high percentage.
Concerned about RB and WR, not concerned about QB and Coen.
We should be faster but the first game we suffered from our defense bossing up and the second game was just weird. After about 5 or 6 games, if the numbers stay the same, I’ll worry than.
CMS has ALWAYS lauded the ball control game. Milk the clock, make the game shorter. It's worked....BUT....
It really does little good to have explosive players as receivers if they don't see the ball. I agree with the downside of milking the clock is that it gives the defense time to regroup and do their shifts.
As much as i admire what White has done, it still seems we almost play a weak prevent with guys 12-15 yards off. PLUS I don't think we are seeing pressure up front.
Then again, maybe I want too much.
It really does little good to have explosive players as receivers if they don't see the ball. I agree with the downside of milking the clock is that it gives the defense time to regroup and do their shifts.
As much as i admire what White has done, it still seems we almost play a weak prevent with guys 12-15 yards off. PLUS I don't think we are seeing pressure up front.
Then again, maybe I want too much.
65 snaps should be the lower end of the goal for UK. But it all depends on the flow of the game. If UK scores quick of course the snap count will be down. The problem is, they haven't scored quick
Looks like a 5 win team to me. Hope I’m wrong.
Yup, I was least concerned about safeties going into the yr and they have been underwealming
It isn't the "offense" in terms of scheme, play calling, Xs, Os, etc... there's ample proof that it works in the pros and here.
Stoops made a big step in the right direction bringing in LC the first time and made another great call realizing he needed him back bad after last year.
Right now, I think it's largely a new QB learning a new offense in a new place on top of coming off an injury which always affects the mental and physical of any athlete.
We have the skill positions to be successful it's just a matter of when they and the QB really start to click.
Akron like the other two puff OOCs won't prove a whole lot.
Vandy is Vandy and Florida isn't much better.
Folks, we might not really know about this offense, QB, and team in general for sure until UGA.
Again...I'm going to keep hammering this is the reason I do not like 3 puff OOCs to start the season. It's not all that great for the team. We need to get out of that " easy wins so we can get to the banjo tire bowl..." mentality.
We're not that program anymore. We need competition early so we're not finding out what needs to be fixed in October.
Stoops made a big step in the right direction bringing in LC the first time and made another great call realizing he needed him back bad after last year.
Right now, I think it's largely a new QB learning a new offense in a new place on top of coming off an injury which always affects the mental and physical of any athlete.
We have the skill positions to be successful it's just a matter of when they and the QB really start to click.
Akron like the other two puff OOCs won't prove a whole lot.
Vandy is Vandy and Florida isn't much better.
Folks, we might not really know about this offense, QB, and team in general for sure until UGA.
Again...I'm going to keep hammering this is the reason I do not like 3 puff OOCs to start the season. It's not all that great for the team. We need to get out of that " easy wins so we can get to the banjo tire bowl..." mentality.
We're not that program anymore. We need competition early so we're not finding out what needs to be fixed in October.
Maybe, but I believe I read Leary went 10 of 13 for 174 yards and 3TDs in second half. Good numbers. If they play that way for a game they will be fine. Think they are working out some kinks.
You can’t look at the number of plays in isolation of other stats.
Biggest reason for the low number of plays is time of possession. We’re ranked 110th in the nation in terms of time of possession. That’s primarily due to the Ball State game where we had the ball for only 21 minutes. You can’t run a lot of plays when you only have the ball for 1/3rd of the game, and the primary reason that happened is because we scored a defensive TD and a special teams TD. That took away two of our offensive possessions. We also allowed a couple of sustained drives on defense to add to the time of possession discrepancy.
In the EKU game, you had two other factors driving a lower number of snaps. For our first 6 possessions, we didn’t get much going on offense and only averaged about 5.5 plays per drive.
We then followed that up with 4 straight TD drives that had a lot of big plays. Over those 4 TD drives, we covered 246 yards in only 20 plays and averaged 12.3 yards per play. When you’re averaging more than a first down per snap, you cover a lot of ground without running many plays.
Of the things to be concerned about, I don’t see the number of plays being one of them.
I don't know if there is a single issue responsible. But with the new rules the number of plays are down for everyone. Stoops has always wanted to control the clock and tempo and used the play clock as a tool to do that. Most defensive coaches want fewer plays so it's not a Stoops thing. It could also be a depth issue, smaller the number of plays the less chance of injury.
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