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A federal judge yesterday put an injunction on the NCAA enforcing any rules on NIL.
If this ruling holds, that pretty much finishes the hopes of a lot of teams that don't have unlimited funds.
Not even semi pro....just age appropriate pro ball.

Nice while it lasted.
If it holds.
If.
 
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The key takeaway is the way Barnhart bet on the NCAA and lost. That decision is what hurt UK. No reason they couldn’t have disregarded rules/bent rules to their benefit the way Ole Miss, Missouri, Tennessee, and others in our league did. He put rule following over winning in a world you could clearly never have both. Sadly the fans will pay the price for his bad decisions. He will retire soon and not really care.
 
It seems the only combatant to reign in the current chaotic form of NIL is title 9. Ultimately it has to end in collective bargaining to get any guidelines in there. There is no other way to impose any regulation if the courts have said the ncaa has no leeway.
 
Ncaa refused to pay players for too long. This is what happens. They should have found a way to share the enormous revenue the players were making them and not worried about players getting free meatballs at Joe Bolognas.
Agreed with this too many administrators were happy with their pay raises and such and if they had just figured something out early on it wouldn’t have gotten to this version of chaos
 
It seems the only combatant to reign in the current chaotic form of NIL is title 9.
There is no requirement that private corporations or individuals equally treat female athletes, or you would see as many college cheerleaders on ads as you do College players.

Title 9 governs schools receiving financial assistance from the government . . . meaning about all schools, and as they are funded in part by government, they are acting as such and must comply with Title 9.

Paul Miller Ford, video game companies and horse farms are not governed by Title 9, and you can bet both schools and sponsors will not screw up this distinction.
 
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That decision is what hurt UK.
Please name a college football athlete we have lost due to Barnhart’s claimed sluggishness. [Hint: we will enter the 2024 season with more former 4 Star and 5 Star athletes than ever under Stoops, both from HS and portal recruiting.].

The Nine Million dollar QB at UT??

Had Barnhart acted differently, how much more money would we have had to bolster FB recruiting?

Should Stone Saunders stick, we will have a QB room in 2025 with a former Georgia 5 Star, and two 4 Star guys. Likely the best we have ever had.
 
Please name a college football athlete we have lost due to Barnhart’s claimed sluggishness. [Hint: we will enter the 2024 season with more former 4 Star and 5 Star athletes than ever under Stoops, both from HS and portal recruiting.].

The Nine Million dollar QB at UT??

Had Barnhart acted differently, how much more money would we have had to bolster FB recruiting?

Should Stone Saunders stick, we will have a QB room in 2025 with a former Georgia 5 Star, and two 4 Star guys. Likely the best we have ever had.
Without cheating which can't be said for all.
 
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There is no requirement that private corporations or individuals equally treat female athletes, or you would see as many college cheerleaders on ads as you do College players.

Title 9 governs schools receiving financial assistance from the government . . . meaning about all schools, and as they are funded in part by government, they are acting as such and must comply with Title 9.

Paul Miller Ford, video game companies and horse farms are not governed by Title 9, and you can bet both schools and sponsors will not screw up this distinction.

Agreed; however, it appears coaches have a lot of direction at some schools over how that private money is spent. That may cloud the distinction between school and private moneys.

As an aside, why don’t fans of pro teams create collectives in an attempt to sweeten NFL contracts and exceed the salary cap in the NFL? Can you imagine a collective adding a couple million to a QB’s deal to tip the balance in a bidding war of capped pro teams?
 
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why don’t fans of pro teams create collectives in an attempt to sweeten NFL contracts and exceed the salary cap in the NFL?
”Third Party Interference With Contract” occurs to me first.

We’re it to happen, the Union rules and the NFL/Union contract would be violated.

But advertisers (to my knowledge) have cart blanc on using one QB in their
advertising than others, so maybe this has sort of happened.
 
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”Third Party Interference With Contract” occurs to me first.

We’re it to happen, the Union rules and the NFL/Union contract would be violated.

Nah. I don’t see that flying any more than Joe Automotive World giving an endorsement deal to the QB being intentional interference with contract. If I want to give an NFL player a million dollars that does nothing to his contract, unless his contract states he cannot take it.
 
Ncaa refused to pay players for too long. This is what happens. They should have found a way to share the enormous revenue the players were making them and not worry about players getting free meatballs at Joe Bolognas.
They don't have enormous revenue. Football does but it has to finance every other failed business called the rest of the athletic department. Trust me, I am all for having a football team and 85 member women's cross country team. That seems like the cheapest sport to stay Title 9 compliant.
 
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Ratings Are better than ever.
Let's see how the ratings look when completely unbridled NIL in CFB has rendered CFB an annual battle between the schools that ponied up the most NIL to buy the best players in the portal for the prior 3 or 4 years.

I can't see the average fan giving two hoots about the annual winner of the NIL sweepstakes after a few years of the money-only driven outcome becoming blatantly apparent.

As it currently stands, it's not an outrageous prediction to suggest that, on the current course, the same CFB quarterback could win a national championship at Texas, for example, only to transfer to Oklahoma the following year to win a championship the very next year.

When fans interest diminishes so does the ad money...and so do the NIL $$$s
 
There is no requirement that private corporations or individuals equally treat female athletes, or you would see as many college cheerleaders on ads as you do College players.

Title 9 governs schools receiving financial assistance from the government . . . meaning about all schools, and as they are funded in part by government, they are acting as such and must comply with Title 9.

Paul Miller Ford, video game companies and horse farms are not governed by Title 9, and you can bet both schools and sponsors will not screw up this distinction.

Agreed; however, it appears coaches have a lot of direction at some schools over how that private money is spent. That may cloud the distinction between school and private moneys.

As an aside, why don’t fans of pro teams create collectives in an attempt to sweeten NFL contracts and exceed the salary cap in the NFL? Can you imagine a collective adding a couple million to a QB’s deal to tip the balance in a bidding war of capped pro teams?

Iirc there was a very recent suit filed claiming discrimination under title 9 and alleging football programs have so much direction over nil funds that amounts to an agency relationship. I definitely think that's the case sometimes and schools need to be careful until something is solidified
 
Let's see how the ratings look when completely unbridled NIL in CFB has rendered CFB an annual battle between the schools that ponied up the most NIL to buy the best players in the portal for the prior 3 or 4 years.

I can't see the average fan giving two hoots about the annual winner of the NIL sweepstakes after a few years of the money-only driven outcome becoming blatantly apparent.

As it currently stands, it's not an outrageous prediction to suggest that, on the current course, the same CFB quarterback could win a national championship at Texas, for example, only to transfer to Oklahoma the following year to win a championship the very next year.

When fans interest diminishes so does the ad money...and so do the NIL $$$s
I've mentioned this before. Millionaires/billionaires didn't become millionaires/billionaires by pissing away their money. What happens when Big Donor's team doesn't win? I suspect the money dries up rather quickly.
 
Please name a college football athlete we have lost due to Barnhart’s claimed sluggishness. [Hint: we will enter the 2024 season with more former 4 Star and 5 Star athletes than ever under Stoops, both from HS and portal recruiting.].

The Nine Million dollar QB at UT??

Had Barnhart acted differently, how much more money would we have had to bolster FB recruiting?

Should Stone Saunders stick, we will have a QB room in 2025 with a former Georgia 5 Star, and two 4 Star guys. Likely the best we have ever had.
Tradition doesn’t really mean anything anymore. It’s all about who pays the most. No reason we can’t do what Ole Miss and Missouri did last year. Anything else is just excuses.
 
A federal judge yesterday put an injunction on the NCAA enforcing any rules on NIL.
If this ruling holds, that pretty much finishes the hopes of a lot of teams that don't have unlimited funds.
Not even semi pro....just age appropriate pro ball.

Nice while it lasted.
If it holds.
If.
Explain to me like I'm 5 how this changes CFB going forward any different than how it has always been for 100+ yrs

Programs with big spending boosters willing to pay out have driven talent to certain programs since the beginning. Just the methods of delivering the cash changes. Everything is the same as it ever was.

There never has been nor ever will be a CFB world where the Kentuckys have equal standing and same status as the Texases and Michigans and Alabamas.
 
The key takeaway is the way Barnhart bet on the NCAA and lost. That decision is what hurt UK. No reason they couldn’t have disregarded rules/bent rules to their benefit the way Ole Miss, Missouri, Tennessee, and others in our league did. He put rule following over winning in a world you could clearly never have both. Sadly the fans will pay the price for his bad decisions. He will retire soon and not really care.
Barnhart needs to go way over due he is killing both football and basketball programs
 
Explain to me like I'm 5 how this changes CFB going forward any different than how it has always been for 100+ yrs

Programs with big spending boosters willing to pay out have driven talent to certain programs since the beginning. Just the methods of delivering the cash changes. Everything is the same as it ever was.

There never has been nor ever will be a CFB world where the Kentuckys have equal standing and same status as the Texases and Michigans and Alabamas.
That is the best point…to argue Oregon Texas Michigan will be awaken sleeping giants due to paying for players…we’ve had this capability for decades (just had to be discretely done)

I like Saban…but to have him in this quasi consultant role of problems with college js so sanctimonious

There are pages of pics under “Rides of Bama players “ in a simple google search. Derrick Henry , mark Barron , Julio jones, minka Fitzpatrick, etc posing in front of BMW, tricked out Escalade, Dodge Charger muscle car , loaded with gold chains So it’s been going on forever and now it’s wide open

I still argue Bama UGA Tennessee LSU etc will be at the top of talent along wjtb the Texas Oklahoma Ohio State and Michigan along with Oregon
 
Tradition doesn’t really mean anything anymore. It’s all about who pays the most. No reason we can’t do what Ole Miss and Missouri did last year. Anything else is just excuses.

What did they do that UK hasn't done recently? Now OM went well above what they have been doing and spent an awful lot of money on buying a team for 24. But the problem is it's starting to look like they promised quite a bit more than they had pledged. They brought in 18 transfers and several of them were asking 7 figures, in them several all SEC type performers on the DL and WR. But doesn't appear all are getting what they were promised. Missouri bought a couple of kids like they did in 23 with the WR, they just had a very experienced team and a RB who was much better than anyone expected, even them. They beat OSU in their bowl game, but big deal, OSU sees an SEC team on the other side of the field and starts shaking.
 
I've mentioned this before. Millionaires/billionaires didn't become millionaires/billionaires by pissing away their money. What happens when Big Donor's team doesn't win? I suspect the money dries up rather quickly.
My son went to the game last night with a UK booster. He is a new booster after selling his business and he has been contributing about 5 years. I would say as Boosters go he is a lower end booster with respect to money given. With that said he told my son he was already tired of the requests for NIL, Facility Upgrades, Salaries etc. The landscape of college football is going to change. Schools with the big money boosters will start moving up the ladder and schools that have been great in the past will probably fall because of the constant demand for money and the amount demanded.
 
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A federal judge yesterday put an injunction on the NCAA enforcing any rules on NIL.
If this ruling holds, that pretty much finishes the hopes of a lot of teams that don't have unlimited funds.
Not even semi pro....just age appropriate pro ball.

Nice while it lasted.
If it holds.
If.
I've been telling y'all this would happen. Its just round 1 though. You still have the appellate level and SCOTUS.
 
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The 60ish "P5" programs separated from the rest of BCS and D1 a long time ago.

More recently there's been another evolution/split even within P5 where the cream of the crop has separated from the lower tier P5. There are about 3-5 teams in each conference that just can't compete.

The NCAA needs to let the 30-40ish or so go and spin off into something independent and professional.

Once that happens everything else will kind of regress back to the mean. The rest of "D1" minus those 40ish, will go back to more traditional collegiate athletics. There will still be NIL, portal, probably some sort of collective bargain with athletes being "employees", however it won't be on the scale of what the B10 and SEC are evolving into.
 
What the schools that filed suit don't realize, is if they choose to, 4-5 teams will sign the top players every year, and those 4-5 aren't in the southeast.
Grumpy I like what you post. My opinion is NCAA sports will die off starting with the small divisions and progress to the FCS and graduate to the G5. Then there will be a big break with the top 10 to 16 teams away from there current conferences (such as ALA, GA, OSU, MICH, TX, USC,) form their own version of NCAA. The rest will have to stop all sports not profitable. After all if you want to win women’s basketball titles get me 5 to 8 guys have them declare their transgenders and play them on the womens basketball.
 
Mitch put too much hope into a dying organization. He was certain these other teams would get a super double secret probation and that wasn’t going to happen.
 
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The key takeaway is the way Barnhart bet on the NCAA and lost. That decision is what hurt UK. No reason they couldn’t have disregarded rules/bent rules to their benefit the way Ole Miss, Missouri, Tennessee, and others in our league did. He put rule following over winning in a world you could clearly never have both. Sadly the fans will pay the price for his bad decisions. He will retire soon and not really care.
As a Wealth Manager, risk management is a daily concern. With my own assets I am willing to take extreme risks on occasion, but with client and employer assets I am the opposite. I think it is wrong to criticize Mitch for taking the conservative approach, but he is fair game if he doesn't adjust his approach now that the unknown risk has been wiped clear.
 
Please name a college football athlete we have lost due to Barnhart’s claimed sluggishness. [Hint: we will enter the 2024 season with more former 4 Star and 5 Star athletes than ever under Stoops, both from HS and portal recruiting.].

The Nine Million dollar QB at UT??

Had Barnhart acted differently, how much more money would we have had to bolster FB recruiting?

Should Stone Saunders stick, we will have a QB room in 2025 with a former Georgia 5 Star, and two 4 Star guys. Likely the best we have ever had.
That's a tough question to answer and you'll see on my other post I think it is wrong to criticize Mitch for being conservative here. OTOH, I can say confidently that if Mitch had been promoting the collectives as a good and necessary decision for fans that we would have had much more to spend. Impossible to say if we lost any specific HS recruits, but we certainly lost Rogers to Auburn over it.
 
The LOVE of money is the root of ALL evil. GREED!
Then capitalism is evil because the entire system is built on the desire to make as much money as possible and to put the fewest roadblocks in the way that would prevent the accumulation of wealth.
 
Let's see how the ratings look when completely unbridled NIL in CFB has rendered CFB an annual battle between the schools that ponied up the most NIL to buy the best players in the portal for the prior 3 or 4 years.

I can't see the average fan giving two hoots about the annual winner of the NIL sweepstakes after a few years of the money-only driven outcome becoming blatantly apparent.

As it currently stands, it's not an outrageous prediction to suggest that, on the current course, the same CFB quarterback could win a national championship at Texas, for example, only to transfer to Oklahoma the following year to win a championship the very next year.

When fans interest diminishes so does the ad money...and so do the NIL $$$s
Your scenario is possible, but I'm not convinced it will happen. The passionate fanbases in college football are unmatched in the world of sports, except for maybe some professional soccer teams in Europe and South America. I agree it is likely that some more casual fans may check out, kind of like the few thousand NFL "fans" that quit watching because of kneeling, but I would not bet money on a catastrophic loss of fans.
 
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My son went to the game last night with a UK booster. He is a new booster after selling his business and he has been contributing about 5 years. I would say as Boosters go he is a lower end booster with respect to money given. With that said he told my son he was already tired of the requests for NIL, Facility Upgrades, Salaries etc. The landscape of college football is going to change. Schools with the big money boosters will start moving up the ladder and schools that have been great in the past will probably fall because of the constant demand for money and the amount demanded.
I suspect he's tired of the requests correlate strongly to the amount of wealth he has and maybe how much/little access he has been given vs how much he has donated. Some boosters pay for access, while other are alum and just want to help the team put a better product on the field. If he's a basketball booster, then he's probably disappointed in the product results since he's been on board, but I doubt too many football boosters are feeling the same since the team has steadily grown since the boosters started supporting it.
 
The 60ish "P5" programs separated from the rest of BCS and D1 a long time ago.

More recently there's been another evolution/split even within P5 where the cream of the crop has separated from the lower tier P5. There are about 3-5 teams in each conference that just can't compete.

The NCAA needs to let the 30-40ish or so go and spin off into something independent and professional.

Once that happens everything else will kind of regress back to the mean. The rest of "D1" minus those 40ish, will go back to more traditional collegiate athletics. There will still be NIL, portal, probably some sort of collective bargain with athletes being "employees", however it won't be on the scale of what the B10 and SEC are evolving into.
Along these lines, I was listening to a Saturday Down South podcast recently and they were discussing this issue. They believe that there is likely to be a massive realignment shift, as the teams split into a hybrid semi-pro model and lower tier teams maintain the status quo. In this scenario, they felt it was likely the Vanderbilt would be removed form the SEC because they couldn't afford the minimum payout standards and that Mississippi State might be another casualty.
 
Grumpy I like what you post. My opinion is NCAA sports will die off starting with the small divisions and progress to the FCS and graduate to the G5. Then there will be a big break with the top 10 to 16 teams away from there current conferences (such as ALA, GA, OSU, MICH, TX, USC,) form their own version of NCAA. The rest will have to stop all sports not profitable. After all if you want to win women’s basketball titles get me 5 to 8 guys have them declare their transgenders and play them on the womens basketball.

I don't think UG will be in that super group, we don't have the super boosters willing to spend 7 figures for a kid, we lose every recruit who is looking for the largest NIL deal. UGA's collective does take care of players who are on the team. So I will be surprised if UGA is in that most expensive group. The vols are all patting each other on the back about winning this case and think they will be big dogs. They are so frigging dumb they don't realize the Texas schools can put their big booster out of business in a week.

But it will be like watching 7A high school games compared to 5A, not a big difference, because kids will still want to play.
 
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