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KHSAA Sweet 16

Last nights 13th region championship had another piece of a UK great. Reed Sheppard, Jeff Sheppard’s son, starts for North Laurel as an 8th grader. Being from Clay County I’m anxious to see if he moves soon because if not, he will dominate the region for the next 4 years.
Interesting. Good to know!
 
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Last nights 13th region championship had another piece of a UK great. Reed Sheppard, Jeff Sheppard’s son, starts for North Laurel as an 8th grader. Being from Clay County I’m anxious to see if he moves soon because if not, he will dominate the region for the next 4 years.

How’d the Robinson kid from Clay Co. play this year?
 
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Looking back through the record books since the 76 title, the “small and Non-Lexington/Louisville/Big NKY” (granted - consolidation in the counties has really changed the game since then) schools have held their own.

2017 - Bowling Green champ (3rd largest city now though, I’d include them close to Lex/Lou at this point)
2015 - Owensboro (see above)
2011 - Christian County
2010 - Shelby Valley
2008, 2003 - Mason County
2005 - South Laurel
2000 - Elizabethtown
1996 - Paintsville
1993 - Marion County
1992 - UHA (I debated whether they belonged on this list because some people want to split the private schools)
1987 - Clay County
1986 - Pulaski County
1985 - Hoptown
1984 - Logan County
1982 - Laurel County


Actually a pretty solid performance. Since 2000, Louisville and Lexington area (Madison Central, Scott County) schools have won 8 of the 19 titles. About what you’d expect given they have about 40% of the state’s population.
The area that’s really under performed has been Western Kentucky. Owensboro’s 2015 title and Logan County in 1984 are their only titles since Edmonson County.

Warren Central won it in 2004 and lost in the Championship game in 2005. Christian County won in 2011, and, as you've said, Owensboro in '15 and Bowling Green in '17. The far western schools haven't fared too well. I think McCracken County will win the 1st Region today, if so, they'll head to Rupp with a 32-3 record. They won the 1st last year too so they seem like they're primed to make a run at the state title.
 
How’d the Robinson kid from Clay Co. play this year?
He ended the year averaging 24-25 a game. He’s a stud at the 13th region level. He’s on pace to finish as a top 5 scorer in school history if he keeps it up. Going into next year he’s the early favorite for POY.
 
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I"m a teacher down here in Warren County and I work at Warren Central's feeder middle school. Gotta support my Dragons from the 4th Region!
 
The second region is a tough region to come out of with traditional powers like Christian County, Hopkinsville, Madisonville and Henderson County. Those are all big schools with a lot of tradition, then you have University Heights that is always tough. Henderson has had it's share of second region championships. They are the largest school in the second region and 5th largest in the state, based on that you would think they would be regional champs more than they have been though.
I’m from Union County, part of the 2nd Region. One of those five schools you mentioned usually reps the 2nd Region in the Sweet Sixteen. UHA qualifies as a small school based on enrollment, but they are a private school and my understanding is they bring in kids from outside Christian County, both for academics and athletics.

Not sure why the HC boys team doesn’t have more success. I know their girls program is usually pretty strong and goes to the girls Sweet Sixteen quite often.
 
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Not too familiar with the Scott County situation outside of they seem to always have a good team. Do they bring in players from outside the County? Why are they being split up?
 
I’m from Union County, part of the 2nd Region. One of those five schools you mentioned usually reps the 2nd Region in the Sweet Sixteen. UHA qualifies as a small school based on enrollment, but they are a private school and my understanding is they bring in kids from outside Christian County, both for academics and athletics.

Not sure why the HC boys team doesn’t have more success. I know their girls program is usually pretty strong and goes to the girls Sweet Sixteen quite often.

Correct, Union County over the years has been just as tough as the others mentioned. Caldwell County is one of the other schools who could challenge every so often, they used to be tough in basketball, not sure what's happened the last 10 years in their basketball program. I remember UHA got caught breaking the rules in the 80's in basketball, as a result, County and Hoptown stopped playing them and would only see them in the region. They would ultimately meet in the region, that's how bitter it became, because there was always a Hoptown or County player who UHA convinced to transfer there along with some good international players.
 
If Covington Catholic was to win this year, they would be the first repeat champion since Fairdale won in 1990 and '91.
 
Not too familiar with the Scott County situation outside of they seem to always have a good team. Do they bring in players from outside the County? Why are they being split up?
New school opening in Scott Co, another high school. I don’t know anything about that particular situation, but usually that spells trouble for the existing school in athletics. Shelby Co was always good, until Collins opened. North Hardin was always good - until John Hardin opened. I’m sure there are plenty of examples. You’re just taking away half (or whatever) of your talent base.
 
Looking back through the record books since the 76 title, the “small and Non-Lexington/Louisville/Big NKY” (granted - consolidation in the counties has really changed the game since then) schools have held their own.

2017 - Bowling Green champ (3rd largest city now though, I’d include them close to Lex/Lou at this point)
2015 - Owensboro (see above)
2011 - Christian County
2010 - Shelby Valley
2008, 2003 - Mason County
2005 - South Laurel
2000 - Elizabethtown
1996 - Paintsville
1993 - Marion County
1992 - UHA (I debated whether they belonged on this list because some people want to split the private schools)
1987 - Clay County
1986 - Pulaski County
1985 - Hoptown
1984 - Logan County
1982 - Laurel County


Actually a pretty solid performance. Since 2000, Louisville and Lexington area (Madison Central, Scott County) schools have won 8 of the 19 titles. About what you’d expect given they have about 40% of the state’s population.
The area that’s really under performed has been Western Kentucky. Owensboro’s 2015 title and Logan County in 1984 are their only titles since Edmonson County.
Good post. I’d quibble a little bit of it. Kentucky only has one real urban area, and I suppose you could include Lexington. If you’re trying to assess which schools have a real demographic advantage, I’d only include schools actually in those urban areas. I mean, Madison Co, Scott Co, suburban counties around Louisville - those are a lot closer to small town Kentucky than they are Ballard or Henry Clay. But I agree with the point of your post, that smaller schools have done pretty well.
 
Go Rocks! Got dogged in 2014 by a horrific no call that kept them out of the final. They are due a good break. Might have the best player.
 
Scott Co has all local kids except one transfer and he's been there 2 years. They have 7 seniors and our back healthy- Hicks will retire - they won't be a power again with consolidation
Look for a Trinity Scott Co final
 
Mayfield is a dark horse. Shoot the 3 well, athletic, hard-nosed, can really get after you defensively. Small ball
 
New school opening in Scott Co, another high school. I don’t know anything about that particular situation, but usually that spells trouble for the existing school in athletics. Shelby Co was always good, until Collins opened. North Hardin was always good - until John Hardin opened. I’m sure there are plenty of examples. You’re just taking away half (or whatever) of your talent base.
Yes that new school caused Woodford County to be moved into our Region 8 starting this coming year. I was surprised that a school from Franklin County wasn't moved in instead of Woodford County because everyone knows that the KHSAA makes all the right moves!!!!!
 
My team (Butler, big city team) is in the tournament, but I hope they never change it.

Like another posted stated: I wish they were televised
 
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There was an article in the Herald Leader 2 years ago about the tournament format and how Edmonson County winning the state title in 1976 pretty much saved the 1 champion model. KHSAA was concerned that the Lexington and Louisville schools had been dominating the tournament over the previous 10-15 years and thought the rural county schools really had no chance to really ever win it again.

In '76 they wanted to see how the tournament played out and if another big city school won it, they were going to switch it to classes in 1977. Apparently Edmonson County came out of nowhere that year and beat Christian County for the state championship and KHSAA voted to keep the 1 champion format.

I'm only 34 and that was 8 years before I was born, but I gathered from that article that nobody expected EC to win a game in the Sweet 16, much less win the whole thing. I think it's great when the championship game is one of the big Louisville/Lexington area schools against a small school from the mountains. I can't imagine any other state has a format like Kentucky does to determine their state champions.

Remember that well, and it absolutely was a shocker.

I was in Florida for my freshman year of college. I (along with two other girls), had been the statisticians for our boy’s high school team in the 3rd region the previous year. We were a county high school, but had very strong teams during my high school years. We lost my senior year in the regional final game to Owensboro. Was hard for rural, county teams to compete with them most years, but we went toe to toe with them for a few seasons. One of our guys did get a scholarship to play for Abe Lemons at the University of Texas. One or two others also received Div. I scholarships.

Anyway, my mother would send newspaper clippings to me from the county paper throughout their season so I could keep up with the team, as I still had friends on it. Never will forget when she called and told me Edmonson Co. had won state. I was absolutely stunned. Couldn’t believe it and thought she couldn’t be right, until she sent me the newspaper clipping, lol.
 
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Looking back through the record books since the 76 title, the “small and Non-Lexington/Louisville/Big NKY” (granted - consolidation in the counties has really changed the game since then) schools have held their own.

2017 - Bowling Green champ (3rd largest city now though, I’d include them close to Lex/Lou at this point)
2015 - Owensboro (see above)
2011 - Christian County
2010 - Shelby Valley
2008, 2003 - Mason County
2005 - South Laurel
2000 - Elizabethtown
1996 - Paintsville
1993 - Marion County
1992 - UHA (I debated whether they belonged on this list because some people want to split the private schools)
1987 - Clay County
1986 - Pulaski County
1985 - Hoptown
1984 - Logan County
1982 - Laurel County


Actually a pretty solid performance. Since 2000, Louisville and Lexington area (Madison Central, Scott County) schools have won 8 of the 19 titles. About what you’d expect given they have about 40% of the state’s population.
The area that’s really under performed has been Western Kentucky. Owensboro’s 2015 title and Logan County in 1984 are their only titles since Edmonson County.

Hopkinsville won it in '85. Earlington in 67'
 
Remember that well, and it absolutely was a shocker.

I was in Florida for my freshman year of college. I (along with two other girls), had been the statisticians for our boy’s high school team in the 3rd region the previous year. We were a county high school, but had very strong teams during my high school years. We lost my senior year in the regional final game to Owensboro. Was hard for rural, county teams to compete with them most years, but we went toe to toe with them for a few seasons. One of our guys did get a scholarship to play for Abe Lemons at the University of Texas. One or two others also received Div. I scholarships.

Anyway, my mother would send newspaper clippings to me from the county paper throughout their season so I could keep up with the team, as I still had friends on it. Never will forget when she called and told me Edmonson Co. had won state. I was absolutely stunned. Couldn’t believe it and thought she couldn’t be right, until she sent me the newspaper clipping, lol.
I remember very well when Edmonson County won State under Bo Davenport. They had a guard named Kevin Clemmons that was a great player who wore a knee brace. About ten years later while I was at UK I was playing pickup in the Seaton Center and a guy that wore a knee brace that could really play was on my team. He looked somewhat familiar and when he introduced himself I remembered the name. It was Clemmons and he was a really nice guy and could really play. I believe that he graduated from UK Dental School.
 
Can’t figure out why Henderson doesn’t make more appearances or better showings in the Sweet 16. Demographically it should be the favorite in the 2nd region most of the time, I would think.
They didn’t even win the 6th district Union did. Union County also beat them by 17 in regular season. With an enrollment of over 2k students they should definitely be better than they are. I’m surprised that UHA didn’t win the region, it was always going to be them or Madisonville winning it this year. Union County is a team full of Sophomores who went undefeated as 8th graders. In 2 years they may be able to make some noise.
 
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Christian County, Hopkinsville and UHA are all farther West than Owensboro man. So that’s 5 champions in that time not 2

Both of you failed to list Breckenridge County - 1995

That's my dad's Alma Mater.

I live in Scott County and I coached several of those boys in little league. And I'm friends with two of the dads. I'd love to see them win the title.
 
I wonder if any of the 16 regions has never had a championship. Which region has the most? I grew up in the 15 th. I think Virgie or Shelby Valley won one. Maybe Warfield or Inez. Did Paintsville win won one? I have been out of the state since 81 so I sorta lost track. I am assuming the Louisville teams have won the most.
 
Not too familiar with the Scott County situation outside of they seem to always have a good team. Do they bring in players from outside the County? Why are they being split up?

Historically they've had players transfer in but the current roster is all home grown. ( Except for 1 player maybe)

They are splitting up because Scott County has the most students in the state and the building is overcrowded. There are approximately 2,000 kids in grades 10-12. Both Schools next year will be 5A.
 
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I think only Kentucky and Hawaii do not have basketball divided into classes.

Every other sport in Kentucky has classes.

Not true. Football is the only major sport in KY that has classes. Basketball, Soccer, Baseball, Softball, and Volleyball all abide by the 1 champion model. I couldn't tell you how track, cross country, tennis, etc determine their champions.

Tennis follows the one championship model as well. Though you can win as a team with total points and as an individual.
 
16th and 1st... their modern success is ROUGH at rupp

Pretty much. Ashland made the championship game in 96 & hasnt won it since 61, IIRC. That’s my alma mater & it’s recent lack of success is tough on fans & alums. We have a long, storied tradition of winning but today’s win gives us our first Sweet 16 appearance since 2002. Hard to believe. And, we’ll have the worst record in the field, at 17-16.

Until a few years ago Ashland had the 2nd most all-time wins in HS basketball history. But, we’ve been passed by a few teams since then. The population has dwindled steadily since the 80s & that is the major issue, IMO.

But, Rowan Co had a good run a few years ago & made it to the championship or FF, I can’t remember which. Elliot Co had a decent run recently, too. But, no championships in forever. That Ashland championship in 61 might be the last by a 16th region team. I’m not sure but I can’t think of any since then.
 
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