Kevin Stalling's career on the line.
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We have higher expectations than to miss the NCAA Tournament for 4 straight seasons. We have top tier facilities, we pay very well (top 15 in the country), and we have a whole lot to sell to recruits.
I don't want to fire Stallings but we don't pay 2 million a year to have a good coach, we pay for results and expect those results.
Honestly, it's similar to Mark Richt in that Stallings has been here for 17 years and if we miss the tourney again, we just need to part ways.
All of that said, what I want is for us to make the Tourney, go on a run, and allow Stallings to retire here.
I don't know about the last three years
But this year Vandy should make the tournament based on their results.
I don't think he should be fired because a committee of people can't pick the right at large teams
But this year Vandy should make the tournament based on their results.
I don't think he should be fired because a committee of people can't pick the right at large teams
We have blown 5 double digit leads this year including a 13 point second half lead to Baylor, a 16 point second half lead to Dayton, and most recently a 17 point second half lead to Mississippi State. Losing all of those leads should be grounds for dismissal, but the main point is that if we don't make the NCAA Tourney again, that is squarely on his shoulders. Stallings has been freaking awful this year.
Keep in mind, this is coming from a pro Stallings guy (most VU fans hate him).
Hopefully we make in and all of this is a moot point.
Vandy USED to be a basketball school, but there is no doubt the are now a Baseball school. NC in 2014, Runner up in 2015.
True, but baseball at the collegiate level so, eh, not seen in the same. Aside from baseball, which very few fans follow at that level, I would venture to say most Vandy fans would say they are a basketball school.
Vandy's problem is like most other schools, recruiting. They have a little higher entrance standards and more emphasis on education than a lot of schools.
That is another reason your top coaches is not going to come running. In my opinion there are not that many Kevin Stalling's out there.
I think it would be a mistake letting him go. jmho
.As far as X's and O's, Stallins can compete with any of them and runs a clean program.
Then they should do what Duke did and drop their standards for athletes.
Corey Maggetti is not a rhodes scholar.
So, how many missed tournaments should a traditional "basketball school" allow? 6 in a row? 7? 8? 10?
if he's not making the tournament and their fans want more, there's no argument you can make that he should be retained. Being a good X's and O's coach isn't enough at times. See Tubby at UK.
You seem to have the lowest standards of any fan I've ever seen. I bet you're a good guy, but competitiveness and alpha dog syndrome isn't within you.
If a coach has a young team that needs coaching on every play, Vandy's setup hurts a team like that no doubt. But a seasoned group should not be affected at all.
For years his knock was that he had no success in the NCAA tournament but now he's having trouble just making the tournament.
Looks like everyone wants to be the big dog - us Dawgs would like to have Vandy's problems.
Vandy Basketball is sorta like UK football in some ways. Recruiting is their achilles heel. In Vandy's case its because of their high academic standards.
Vandy has been to tourney 6 times in last 9 years and won SEC in 2012 first time in 60 years.
I don't think my standards or competitiveness is all that low, With all the corruption gong on in college basketball, I try to be realistic. I think some coaches look at "winning, whatever it takes". I don't think Coach Stallings is in that group.
When evaluating coaches you have to consider a lot of factors. What I'm saying you are going to have to look for a while before you get a better coach.
You mention Tubby,, look at who we got after Hall and Tubby. There are always a few fans that care less if they want to let ccoach go. They don't have to suffer any consequences. I haven't heard that many who was so critical of Stallings Anyway thats my 2 cents worth..
Vandy Basketball is sorta like UK football in some ways. Recruiting is their achilles heel. In Vandy's case its because of their high academic standards.
Vandy has been to tourney 6 times in last 9 years and won SEC in 2012 first time in 60 years.
I don't think my standards or competitiveness is all that low, With all the corruption gong on in college basketball, I try to be realistic. I think some coaches look at "winning, whatever it takes". I don't think Coach Stallings is in that group.
When evaluating coaches you have to consider a lot of factors. What I'm saying you are going to have to look for a while before you get a better coach.
You mention Tubby,, look at who we got after Hall and Tubby. There are always a few fans that care less if they want to let ccoach go. They don't have to suffer any consequences. I haven't heard that many who was so critical of Stallings Anyway thats my 2 cents worth..
Tubby is not really in Halls league. I wouldn't compare them.
Vandy isn't really like UK football in basketball. They actually are a basketball school, just one with limited success. I think Stallings is a fine coach, but he's failing right now for whatever reasons. Life isn't some unlimited frame of time. If Vandy fans want to win in some big ways, Stallings might not be the guy. It's ok to make a move for schools wanting more.
Vandy Basketball is sorta like UK football in some ways. Recruiting is their achilles heel. In Vandy's case its because of their high academic standards.
Vandy has been to tourney 6 times in last 9 years and won SEC in 2012 first time in 60 years.
I don't think my standards or competitiveness is all that low, With all the corruption gong on in college basketball, I try to be realistic. I think some coaches look at "winning, whatever it takes". I don't think Coach Stallings is in that group.
When evaluating coaches you have to consider a lot of factors. What I'm saying you are going to have to look for a while before you get a better coach.
You mention Tubby,, look at who we got after Hall and Tubby. There are always a few fans that care less if they want to let ccoach go. They don't have to suffer any consequences. I haven't heard that many who was so critical of Stallings Anyway thats my 2 cents worth..
The only reason you haven't heard criticism of Stallings is because you're a UK fan who probably doesn't read VU message boards or hang out with a lot of VU fans. I would say that if Stallings misses the NCAA Tournament, at least 75% of the fanbase wants him fired / forced to retire.
I don't think the UK football is an accurate analogy at all considering UK football is at the bottom of the SEC in most ways and VU hoops is at the very least, in the middle of the SEC.
Stallings has reached his zenith, as has Vandy. The best years for both are behind them. He may have a decent year every so often but, the days of Stallings being considered in the upper echelon of SEC coaches is gone.
I was only using the comparison in terms of recruiting. I will go along with the 75% on message board, but that is not the majority of Vandy fans I don't think. You would think that some of the announcers would make some kind of comment about the unrest with Stallings. I haven't heard any.
Nobody is saying fire him if we make the tourney and the season isn't over yet. He's gonna get fired if we miss the tourney (or at least there is a very high percentage of that).
Put a red nose on Stallings and he becomes Bozo the clown. His job is probably safe for now. Decent fit for Vandy Basketball.
His job is safe if he makes the NCAA Tournament to clarify. I have been told he is 100% gone if he misses the Tourney, but I'll believe that when I see it. I think it's more like 60/40 that he is gone if we miss the Big Dance.
What exactly are Vandy's academic standards as compared to the rest of the SEC? I'm mainly interested in the admittance requirements. Krzyzewski lobbied and got the Duke administration to lower the men's basketball admittance requirements to that of the ACC.
This...I don't see Stallings as being in trouble at all. He's got enough history to keep him in good graces, his players don't get in a lot of trouble, and the TV guys seem to like him. He gets good pub for Vandy. Seems they get talked about quite a bit on TV. I don't see them being able to upgrade if they were to let him go. I don't think he'd be the man for a UK type job, but he's done a solid job at Vandy.
You can bet Vandy will give us a war, coach Stallings has won a lot of games at Vandy over the yrs, this yr so far they have not done well, but I doubt if he will be fired ..
I will say that if Vandy could lure Tommy Amaker (I know he's a Dukie) from Harvard, then that would be a move I think they would have to make. I think Harvard is down this year, but Amaker has done a great job at Harvard and could take Vandy to the next level IMO.
Hard pass on Amaker.
Theme that keeps popping up is Will Wade a VCU. He is from Nashville, has the chops, and would be all in on taking the VU job.
Like I said though, I would prefer to make the tourney and keep stallings.
I think Stallings, at Vandy, is an interesting scenario. If you look at his accomplishments, it's pretty slim. He's been there since 1999 and has two S16 appearances. He's never won an SEC regular season, and has only won the SECT once. Surprisingly, he has a below .500 record in SEC play at .489. He's failed to reach the NCAAT 10 out of his 16 seasons, possibly another miss this year.
I won't deny he's good at the x and o's, and I can't really speak on Vandy's academic requirements, but to me he's vastly underachived there. Yet, he seems to get a pass. I won't act like I know and follow Vandy basketball, but from my memory they've had some good players and teams with little to show for it.
Maybe it's just my mentality as a UK fan, but if I were in a Vandy fans shoes I'd probably be interested in moving on. However, I guess I wouldn't fault them for keeping him til he retires.
I won't deny he's good at the x and o's, and I can't really speak on Vandy's academic requirements, but to me he's vastly underachived there. Yet, he seems to get a pass. I won't act like I know and follow Vandy basketball, but from my memory they've had some good players and teams with little to show for it.
Maybe it's just my mentality as a UK fan, but if I were in a Vandy fans shoes I'd probably be interested in moving on. However, I guess I wouldn't fault them for keeping him til he retires.
This team definitely needs to win a close game.. When we got to overtime against A&M I was cringing at the prospect of what was getting ready to happen.. Then I thought "we've got this, we're gonna pull out an OT win on the road.. We all know what happened then! For me that was the toughest loss since the one last season that we don't even want to think about..
I remember Eddie Fogler as being better than all three ( don't remember Skinner) .
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