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Kentucky frontcourt vs Kansas frontcourt

that'd be great. He's got the athleticism and length to do it,just depends on his timing and aggressiveness going after shots. If he can average 2.5-3 blocks per game, that'd be huge. I think Poythress will average about 2, Lee will have his chances to average 1-2. Getting the team's block total up around 7 per game would be right where Cal's teams usually are.

Wtf?? He has 55 career blocks in 81 games played. There's no way he avg 2per game. That's silly.

Silly.
 
In discussions likes this, I always go for the team that features the transcendent (or near transcendent) talent. Kentucky has one of those guys. Kansas does not.
 
Wtf?? He has 55 career blocks in 81 games played. There's no way he avg 2per game. That's silly.

Silly.


I know it's a small sample size to use last year as any type of criteria, but I'm going to anyway. Poythress averaged 1.5 blocks per game in 20 minutes/game, playing the three position. Poythress obviously developed as a defender last year; in fact folks were saying how he was too slow to defend the perimeter, and yet we saw very clearly in the early part of the year that Alex was the team's best perimeter defender.

2 blocks might technically be out of the question, but averaging something like 1.5 to 1.7 blocks/game is not. The point is that Alex will get his fair share in a way that rivals Jones's 2011 and 2012 season production. He has the athleticism and the ability to block a handful of shots every few games. I won't be surprised when he has a number of games that feature him blocking 3 or 4 shots in one game, much like last year's early season production.
 
Have you seen him play, because that is not his game. If you compare his stats to all the point guards in his class, his stats dwarf all of them and are equal to Cat Barber. His defense is average, but he will double Ullis's production, plus he has about 3 inches on him, and Ullis will not be able to stay in front of him.

In Lawrence we win. In Lexington, it's a push or Kentucky wins. Also, look for Selden to play the three, so when looking at match ups Ullis (at 5'8) will be matched up against Graham (at 6'2); Mason at 5'10 will be matched up with Briscoe at 6'1, Selden at 6'5 will be matched up with Poythress at 6'7.

UK will likely be starting three guards by then.

If KU starts three guards, then DEFENSIVELY UK will likely matchup like this:

G Ulis(5'9) vs. Mason(5'10)
G Brisoce(6'4) vs. Selden(6'5)- best wing defender on best wing scorer.
G Murray(6'5) vs. Graham(6'2)
F Poythress(6'8) vs. Ellis(6'8)- Senior vs. Senior.
F Labissiere(7'0) vs. Diallo(6'9)- stud vs. stud.

Now if Graham is the primary ball handler, then Ulis probably guards him and Murray guards Mason.

But you are right, in Lawrence KU should win. If UK comes in and gets a win, that's a big feather in the cap.

Should be a great game. KU by 5 with it being at the Phog.
 
Can we assume Diallo won't be just another Cliff Alexander? Remember, ol' Cliff was supposed to be a lottery pick physical, athletic, strong-motor type, too. Their scouting reports coming out of high school are awfully similar...
 
Another summer, another chance for Kansas fans to explain how this time Charlie Brown is going to kick that football. I've been hearing it all my life, and the head-to-head is, what, 22-6? They got lucky and caught UK three straight years at the end of the Tubby era or it'd be worse than that. I even heard last summer how it was a toss-up game. Well, something got tossed: Self's cookies at halftime.

Here's my question: Why did Kentucky let them have the first home game in what I assume is a H-&-H series? Usually the program with the most cachet kicks off those series, and that's Kentucky by a mile.

It's a SEC/Big 12 Challenge game.
 
You guys have been right on for the most part. You're selling Frank Mason's speed short though. He has come a long way since getting blocked by WCS and Towns a thousand times.

Really though, the huge difference this year is Selden. I don't know if his knee finally healed or if the tweak in the offense to run through him helps or if it is just international play but he looks like a lottery pick again. Hope it sticks.

Also Landen Lucas is bad, Mikelson is a huge surprise but still has bad feet and hips and nobody knows on Cheick. He, Greene, Svi and Graham aren't playing in the World University Games.
 
You guys have been right on for the most part. You're selling Frank Mason's speed short though. He has come a long way since getting blocked by WCS and Towns a thousand times.

Really though, the huge difference this year is Selden. I don't know if his knee finally healed or if the tweak in the offense to run through him helps or if it is just international play but he looks like a lottery pick again. Hope it sticks.

Also Landen Lucas is bad, Mikelson is a huge surprise but still has bad feet and hips and nobody knows on Cheick. He, Greene, Svi and Graham aren't playing in the World University Games.

The World University games will help KU for sure, much like the Bahamas games helped UK.

As for Mason, I think he will be a solid PG, but I will be surprised if he becomes an elite one.

Ulis has the potential to be one of the best, if not the best, PGs in college.

He was ranked in the top 20 out of HS and earned minutes on a team with an already established PG and he was arguably the best PG on the UK squad last year.

I think Ulis is better than Mason, it's not a slight toward Mason, it's just that I believe that Ulis is going to be an elite PG this season. Especially defensively.

I don't see Mason being that kind of PG. He's a tough kid that has already overachieved.

Last year, I said that KU was outclassed at PG, that was the one position that UK has a major advantage.

I don't think that has changed much.
 
You guys have been right on for the most part. You're selling Frank Mason's speed short though. He has come a long way since getting blocked by WCS and Towns a thousand times.

Really though, the huge difference this year is Selden. I don't know if his knee finally healed or if the tweak in the offense to run through him helps or if it is just international play but he looks like a lottery pick again. Hope it sticks.

Also Landen Lucas is bad, Mikelson is a huge surprise but still has bad feet and hips and nobody knows on Cheick. He, Greene, Svi and Graham aren't playing in the World University Games.

when is greene going to transfer for real? self hates him.
 
that is comical. Poythress has never come close to being the college player Perry Ellis is.
Compare their freshman year stats. I think you will be surprised. Plus Poy has played with better players so his stats won't be as high. I know he is a waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better defender than Ellis, and Ellis is better on offense. I don't see how the comparison is comical. Offense and defense are both important and each holds an edge over the other.
 
Skal is a future top 2 pick. Diallo is probably a two year guy. I anticipate Skal dominating him in every fathomable area of the game except for perhaps rebounding.
Did you watch diallo in the a star games? It doesn't sound like it, he DOMINATED!
 
Did you watch diallo in the a star games? It doesn't sound like it, he DOMINATED!

austin rivers dominated an all star game too. its about which skills translate to the next level. diallo...doesnt have that much skill....which will be a problem
 
Did you watch diallo in the a star games? It doesn't sound like it, he DOMINATED!

I've seen him play in that game and I saw him play live as well in the past. I also was on hand to watch Rodney Purvis and James Michael McAdoo dominate some all-star games. That is to say that all-star games are not the final measurement in a player's worth.

What I have seen from Diallo is a great energy guy with limited offensive game, and I don't see a kid going top 10 in the draft for defense alone, not after one season. WCS was an exception to that rule, but WCS is 7'0" and can guard multiple positions and might be the second most athletic player Kentucky has ever had on the low block.

Maybe Diallo proves me wrong and blossoms over the summer on offense, but right now I don't see how he's drafted top 10 next summer. And yes, I'll stick to my assessment that I think Skal is quantifiably better than Diallo.
 
Compare their freshman year stats. I think you will be surprised. Plus Poy has played with better players so his stats won't be as high. I know he is a waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better defender than Ellis, and Ellis is better on offense. I don't see how the comparison is comical. Offense and defense are both important and each holds an edge over the other.

Most people don't take into account the defensive side of the ball. They just look at Ellis and his stats compared to Poy and automatically think Ellis is better.

The other things you mention play a big part as well. Ellis would have been riding the pine behind Julius Randle as well if we went to KU. And before his injury Poy split time with a lottery pick, so you can't even really consider those stats.

All in all, considering offense and defense, they are pretty equal, if Poy is 100%.
 
All I know is UK brutalized, whipped, destroyed, humiliated, and embarrassed Kansas.

We have to go there this season, they are going to want revenge like no other. That place will be hostile.
 
And even if he did. They'd still go out in the first round

haha, don't tell them that. the KU fans I know keep saying they played Wichita State in the 3rd round.

i told them, "hey, that's still not the second weekend, champs. get on our level."

the problem for them, of course, is that Bill Self is the biggest choke artist west of the Mississippi. the guy would probably be phenomenal at Brazilian Jujitsu. All he does is choke, choke, choke no matter what.

it's going to be absolutely hilarious when this year's iteration of Kansas goes out early . . . again.
 
Only thing KU has,an advantage in game next year is home court! Anyone that says KU has equal talent as Kentucky is just flatout delusional. Revenge factor might be key as well. Kentucky brings their A game I don't care if we are playing on the moon they beat KU 9 out of ten times anywhere.
 
when is greene going to transfer for real? self hates him.


Greene is a talented shooter and does some other things nicely but the dude is a dummy who won't stop getting in the doghouse for stupid reasons. Selden is playing the 3 this year with Greene and Svi rotating around the 2 and 3, especially when they go small with Frank and Graham.
 
You do realize at the end of the day it is Kentucky against Kansas. I don't care who they have or where we play, I like our chances.

You do realize that I myself am not a child? I won't forget what you've done for me here today.
 
How is Diallo a two year guy? The post match up comes down to how healed Poythress is. Otherwise, advantage has to go to KU from a talent and depth perspective. Who contains Mason? In our beat down last year, Mason penetrated to the basket at will (of course, he got stuffed time after time, but that shouldn't be an issue with all the post departures (Johnson, Lyles, WCS, and KT).
You do realize that cal's philosophy is to allow penetration to the strong side of the floor and that poythress and Lee are statistically better shot blockers than anyone but KAT, right?

Of course you dont. You're a Kansas fan...
 
that is comical. Poythress has never come close to being the college player Perry Ellis is.
I'm sure poythress was thinking the same thing when he repeatedly threw perry's shot into the backboard during our game last year...
 
Have you seen him play, because that is not his game. If you compare his stats to all the point guards in his class, his stats dwarf all of them and are equal to Cat Barber. His defense is average, but he will double Ullis's production, plus he has about 3 inches on him, and Ullis will not be able to stay in front of him.
I'm not here to argue about KU vs UK - I think you guys have a great team, maybe the best front court in the country, and you should be favored by single digits on your home court.

But we have the best back court in the country, and it all centers around that 5'8 guy that I keep seeing rival fans disrespect over and over and over. And there's a serious case of convenient arguing and short term memory loss going on, since they were all saying "Cal is so dumb for playing Andrew over Tyler" when they came over here last year.

Here's the reality: Tyler is the worst player to underestimate on either roster. He was our best perimeter defender along with Willie. Additionally, he has drawn comparisons to HOFers for his court vision from the likes of Jay Bilas. Beyond that, he's our most intense player who doesn't take ish from anyone and keeps all his teammates in line.

You look at that 5'8, 160 lb kid and disregard him and you will be in for a huge surprise. He has 10 times the basketball IQ of any guard you have on your roster. He works harder than any guard you have on your roster. He is meaner or more game than any guard you have on your roster.

Tyler Ulis will rip your GD throat out. Even if you win the game, I can make a personal guarantee whoever you have at the one will not get the upper hand on him.

Poy may be a no show. Skal might be Cal's first top 5 recruit to underperform. Jamal Murray may turn out to be overhyped from his AS appearances. I don't think any of these are likely, but these are all more reasonable scenarios to entertain than the notion that Tyler will not be able to deal with F-ing Frank Mason.

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I want a response. My Tyler Ulis post is thirsty for blood.
 
that is comical. Poythress has never come close to being the college player Perry Ellis is.

Is this a joke? Poythress put Perry Ellis on blast last season. Ellis was shut down. In fairness to him though, 85% of your roster was nearly shut down.
 
They just won the gold for the USA at the University games so congrats to them, now let's destroy them again next game.
 
Read my post and realize who won't be suiting up for Kentucky this year, before posting not well thought out responses.

No matter it's the facts that are so entertaining even if it was last year. If you guys can't beat us at your place after us losing 7 players to the pros, you will be the laughing stock of college basketball. lol
 
Calling my shot now:

Mason will put up 20 and 8 assists
Selden will put up 15 and 7 rebounds
Diallo will have 5 blocks and 10 points

Kansas wins by 5-8 in regulation.
 
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