Kareem Abdul-Jabbar speaks on OAD

[morgousky]

Ok son lol. Definitely wasn't racist at all, but people perceive things in different ways sometimes (even if they're wrong )

Agree to disagree .

I love the classic "I know a lot of black people
/ have a lot of black friends " (you don't )

Actually, your post was more stereotypical than any come to think of it

How was it stereotypical?

Racist is racist, not my fault you don't understand the meaning of the word, son.

 

[FrankUnderwood]

Not a snowflake. I just like consistency. Labeling people by their skin color is racist, even if it seems accepted and easy.

Are you really gonna justify this by saying "well espn not showed white guys"? Come on Gonzo, you shouldn't have said it.

You're being a little dramatic and making something / someone feel as if they said/ did something racist when they in no way shape or form did.

In fact , it seems to be the other way around buddy.

 

[FrankUnderwood]

How was it stereotypical?

Racist is racist, not my fault you don't understand the meaning of the word, son.

Racist is racist ? lol- now there's some insight.

I don't think you're racist , just stereotypical and possibly a bit of a racial profiler. I don't think you mean it in an abrasive way... you just don't know any better / can't help it

 

[morgousky]

Racist is racist ? lol- now there's some insight.

I don't think you're racist , just stereotypical and possibly a bit of a racial profiler. I don't think you mean it in an abrasive way... you just don't know any better / can't help it

Oh, ok. You're just trolling. Z?

Nah, Z's too smart for this troll job. Probably one of the lesser ones that tries too hard.

 

[morgousky]

You're being a little dramatic and making something / someone feel as if they said/ did something racist when they in no way shape or form did.

In fact , it seems to be the other way around buddy.

Yes, he did.

I'm gonna save this troll account some time. Ignored.

 

[FrankUnderwood]

Oh, ok. You're just trolling. Z?

Nah, Z's too smart for this troll job. Probably one of the lesser ones that tries too hard.

Just take a seat bud. It's not that serious


Moving on

 

[GonzoCat90]

Great dodge

What would I be dodging? Kareem's comments make him sound out and out of touch because they come from a perspective that already benefitted.

To highlight that, I added a recent example where another group (the people interviewed in Cal's documentary) sounded hypocritical.

Or feel free to explain to me which race I'm against by showing similarities between a proud black Muslim man and white Protestant/catholic men.

It's almost as if I was talking about their financial situations and outdated views and not their skin color.

 

[FrankUnderwood]

Oh, ok. You're just trolling. Z?

Nah, Z's too smart for this troll job. Probably one of the lesser ones that tries too hard.

Is it snowing?

 

[GonzoCat90]

Not a snowflake. I just like consistency. Labeling people by their skin color is racist, even if it seems accepted and easy for certain groups at the time. That's how it becomes dangerous.

Are you really gonna justify this by saying "well espn only showed white guys"? Yea, espn wouldn't portray white guys in a negative light, ever.

Come on Gonzo, you shouldn't have said it.

Who am I labeling? The white guys I mentioned? The black kids you know in Memphis? If you want consistency at least pick an argument. Who am I racist against?

 

[FrankUnderwood]

Who am I labeling? The white guys I mentioned? The black kids you know in Memphis? If you want consistency at least pick an argument. Who am I racist against?

He doesn't know, he's the type that makes something "racist" and dramatic when it's absolutely not necessary.

He can't even pick an argument lol, kinda all over the place.

But I mean, he "knows black guys" so he's #rightonpurpose

lol

 

[track42]

He doesn't know, he's the type that makes something "racist" and dramatic when it's absolutely not necessary.

He can't even pick an argument lol, kinda all over the place.

But I mean, he "knows black guys" so he's #rightonpurpose

lol

You are a very annoying poster.

 

[GonzoCat90]

He doesn't know, he's the type that makes something "racist" and dramatic when it's absolutely not necessary.

He can't even pick an argument lol, kinda all over the place.

But I mean, he "knows black guys" so he's #rightonpurpose

lol

There are times we have the race conversation on this board. It never crossed my mind that my initial post in the thread would be one of those times. I still don't see it.

 

[kev69]

There are times we have the race conversation on this board. It never crossed my mind that my initial post in the thread would be one of those times. I still don't see it.

I have to agree with you on this.

 

[FrankUnderwood]

I have to agree with you on this.

This

 

[FrankUnderwood]

You are a very annoying poster.

I think there's an ignore feature?

 

[morgousky]

Who am I labeling? The white guys I mentioned? The black kids you know in Memphis? If you want consistency at least pick an argument. Who am I racist against?

Im not going to play word games with you. Attacking white men is low lying fruit. You implied plenty, no need in even continuing this if you can't accept your wording was stereotypical.

 

[FrankUnderwood]

Im not going to play word games with you. Attacking white men is low lying fruit. You implied plenty, no need in even continuing this if you can't accept your wording was stereotypical.

Pot meet kettle.

 

[bthaunert]

Back to the original post...a 21 year old age requirement would kill college basketball more than it's already suffering with the OAD system. No way the top 10ish ranked guys coming out of high school would go to college for 3 years, not happening. They would go overseas in a heartbeat and never play a minute in college.

 

[ccukuk]

Kwame Brown was just a bad job of evaluation by the Wizards, No different from any other first round bust. At least it worked out great for Brown. He signed nearly $60 million in contracts and still has a reported net worth of $30 million.

Yeah and I don't fault the kid. But, as an NBA exec/owner, you can see their side of things to say at least a year of college ball or something like baseball. Don't watch pro basketball and only care to the level of how ex uk players are doing.
Good for Kwame, glad he invested his duckets.

 

[ccukuk]

My family has new neighbors, a black couple. We brought them cookies and a welcome card like every other family on the street. They mentioned they work for a beer distribution company. Am I
bad because I don't give a shit what color they are and am glad they may give me an "in" to beer?"
Skin color is based on a protein, nothing more or less. I am not a weirdo liberal, but try a little tolerance and understanding in your life if you are apt to judge a person by their looks. Life really isn't that long to s screw this one up people.

 

[cats2010]

how come most of the people who want the age rule raised are old people who already made their money?

It's like the Cal 30 for 30. A bunch of 65 year old white dudes in $5,000 suits talking about how college basketball should be about education.

Kareem might be the GOAT, but he's wrong and sounds out of touch.

Has nothing to do with money but more how we grew up watching the game. I'm only 49 and I despise the NBA for what they have done to college basketball to the point I'm done with it. I love how this argument that it's unfair to make a kid wait until their 21 never carries over to the NFL.

The money that is there now at age 19 will be there when their 21. Michael "freaking" Jordan played three years, if he can so can everyone else as far as I'm concerned. Don't like the one and done environment college basketball has become and never will, but it is what it is is.

 

[GonzoCat90]

Im not going to play word games with you. Attacking white men is low lying fruit. You implied plenty, no need in even continuing this if you can't accept your wording was stereotypical.

So then you've got nothing? Good.


Happy Memorial Day, buddy.

 

[turkeywildturkey]

Ok, so Kareem played how many years at UCLA?. I know he sat out his freshman year. He was, is broke(filed for bankruptcy). He has no legs to stand on to make statements like that, regardless of where you stand on the opinion

What's the point of you mentioning him filing bankruptcy? What a cheap shot. I guess that doesn't make him credible? You must be a real ahole.

 

[CatFanInTheBathtub]

Horse left the barn decades ago.

In an ideal world, he's right. But this isn't an ideal world, and to expect the players that the NBA covets, guys with incredibly marketable skills, to wait to profit from those skills until they're 21 is pretty much a completely unrealistic, unreasonable idea.

If the NBA somehow got the Player's Union to play along with the idea, you still wouldn't see a big percentage of the best players hanging around the college game for 3 years. Those guys would find a way to get paid. There's just too much money involved for any kind of forced amateurism to be a realistic solution.

I agree which makes me wonder why they started the age limit to begin with. Seems like letting HS players go straight to the pros would be the most profitable scenario for the league.

 

[morgousky]

So then you've got nothing? Good.


Happy Memorial Day, buddy.

I said what I wanted to say.

Happy Memorial Day.

 

[majgun]

Kareem is right. I believe they should be able to come out after their 3 year or when they turn 21.

 

[kev69]

What's Jabbar know?

Did he ever even play basketball.

 

[JDHoss]

Yeah and I don't fault the kid. But, as an NBA exec/owner, you can see their side of things to say at least a year of college ball or something like baseball. Don't watch pro basketball and only care to the level of how ex uk players are doing.
Good for Kwame, glad he invested his duckets.

Glad Kwame still has a good chunk of his money left as well, but NBA GM's/front offices make bad draft choices every year, regardless of how much college or overseas experience a player has, and will continue to make bad draft choices no matter what type of system they come up with.

 

[ccukuk]

What's the point of you mentioning him filing bankruptcy? What a cheap shot. I guess that doesn't make him credible? You must be a real ahole.[/

Glad Kwame still has a good chunk of his money left as well, but NBA GM's/front offices make bad draft choices every year, regardless of how much college or overseas experience a player has, and will continue to make bad draft choices no matter what type of system they come up with.

very true

 

[bthaunert]

Glad Kwame still has a good chunk of his money left as well, but NBA GM's/front offices make bad draft choices every year, regardless of how much college or overseas experience a player has, and will continue to make bad draft choices no matter what type of system they come up with.

This is spot on. Overall, the success of the kids that were drafted in the first round out of high school have had more success compared to kids who are drafted after they played in college. For every Kwame Brown, there is a Michael Olowokandi. Here is your list of guys drafted out of high school beginning with Garnett:

Kevin Garnett - 5th pick (great pick)
Kobe Bryant - 13th pick (great pick)
Jermaine O'Neal - 17th pick (great pick)
Tracy McGrady - 9th pick (great pick)
Al Harrington - 25th pick (great pick)
Jonathen Bender - 5th pick (bad pick)
Leon Smith - 29th pick (bad pick)
Darius Miles - 3rd pick (averaged 14ppg his final season before injury - 2000 was a terrible draft - decent pick)
DeShawn Stevenson - 23rd pick (very good pick)
Kwame Brown - 1st pick (bad pick)
Tyson Chandler - 2nd pick (good pick)
Eddie Curry - 4th pick (started off strong, but ended up being a bad pick)
Dasagnia Diop - 8th pick (bad pick)
A'mare Stoudamire - 9th pick (great pick)
Lebron James - 1st pick (great pick)
Travis Outlaw - 23rd pick (good pick)
Ndubi Ebi - 26th pick (bad pick)
Kendrick Perkins - 27th pick (good pick)
Dwight Howard - 1st pick (great pick)
Shaun Livingston - 4th pick (bad pick)
Robert Swift - 12th pick (bad pick)
Sebastian Telfair - 13th pick (decent pick)
Al Jefferson - 15th pick (great pick)
Josh Smith - 17th pick (great pick)
JR Smith - 18th pick (great pick)
Dorell Wright - 19th pick (good pick)
Martell Webster - 6th pick (bad pick)
Andrew Bynum - 10th pick (good pick)
Gerald Green - 18th pick (good pick)

So, 29 guys were picked, 11 of which made an All-Star game and/or All NBA. In my amateur opinion, 8 of the 29 were bad picks...you won't find that good of odds (72% chance of making a good or great pick) with any other class group.

 

[GonzoCat90]

It's just a completely foolish argument from a basketball perspective. The best players are the ones who go pro early. The best players end up doing well. One year or five years in college doesn't change anything but the number of years a player can earn money.

Kareem would be an all-time great with no college and you might argue even better because he wouldn't have lost 4 great years of playing and earning potential at UCLA. And in a draft process that takes Kwame Brown #1 out of high school and Anthony Bennett #1 out of college after a year and Michael Olowokandi #1 after a full career in college, I can't grant any merit to the idea of making kids stay three seasons.

If you want a year to weed out the Cliff Alexander's and James Michael McAdoo's of the world, fine. But anything beyond that is just a pretend bargaining chip at the next set of negotiations. No one wants to wait three years on the next Durant when you can see what he is at 17.

 

[Born and raised Big Blue]

If someone told me I could earn 30 million and not earn any of it. I would say where do I sign.

 

[JDHoss]

This is spot on. Overall, the success of the kids that were drafted in the first round out of high school have had more success compared to kids who are drafted after they played in college. For every Kwame Brown, there is a Michael Olowokandi. Here is your list of guys drafted out of high school beginning with Garnett:

Kevin Garnett - 5th pick (great pick)
Kobe Bryant - 13th pick (great pick)
Jermaine O'Neal - 17th pick (great pick)
Tracy McGrady - 9th pick (great pick)
Al Harrington - 25th pick (great pick)
Jonathen Bender - 5th pick (bad pick)
Leon Smith - 29th pick (bad pick)
Darius Miles - 3rd pick (averaged 14ppg his final season before injury - 2000 was a terrible draft - decent pick)
DeShawn Stevenson - 23rd pick (very good pick)
Kwame Brown - 1st pick (bad pick)
Tyson Chandler - 2nd pick (good pick)
Eddie Curry - 4th pick (started off strong, but ended up being a bad pick)
Dasagnia Diop - 8th pick (bad pick)
A'mare Stoudamire - 9th pick (great pick)
Lebron James - 1st pick (great pick)
Travis Outlaw - 23rd pick (good pick)
Ndubi Ebi - 26th pick (bad pick)
Kendrick Perkins - 27th pick (good pick)
Dwight Howard - 1st pick (great pick)
Shaun Livingston - 4th pick (bad pick)
Robert Swift - 12th pick (bad pick)
Sebastian Telfair - 13th pick (decent pick)
Al Jefferson - 15th pick (great pick)
Josh Smith - 17th pick (great pick)
JR Smith - 18th pick (great pick)
Dorell Wright - 19th pick (good pick)
Martell Webster - 6th pick (bad pick)
Andrew Bynum - 10th pick (good pick)
Gerald Green - 18th pick (good pick)

So, 29 guys were picked, 11 of which made an All-Star game and/or All NBA. In my amateur opinion, 8 of the 29 were bad picks...you won't find that good of odds (72% chance of making a good or great pick) with any other class group.

Excellent research. Yeah, there's a ton of other picks that had college or overseas experience who have bombed. I'll take your Michael Olowokandi and raise you a LaRue Martin and a Darko Milicic.

http://www.complex.com/sports/2013/06/worst-nba-draft-picks-all-time/kwame-brown

 

[UKUGA]

Fun Fact: KAJ had probably the best jazz album collection ever and I think he lost it in a fire.

Not a fun fact.

When he went on his retirement tour in '88-'89, the Hawks gave him a jazz collection to help replace his lost collection.