Just some Foul/Free throw info from yesterday..

[LineSkiCat14]

Last nights game might have seemed like a "return to normalcy" based on the officiating.. Kentucky had 22 fouls on them to AM's 23.. Kentucky shot 31 free throws to AM's 25.

What the numbers don't show you is that TAM had 3 fouls in the final minute giving 6 free throws for UK. Along with 3 more fouls (and 4 more free throws) in the final 3:30 minutes. Kentucky did foul twice during this time and TAM shot 4 free throws. These were essentially garbage time fouls as TA&M was forced to commit the violations to stay in the game.

Don't let this HOME game fool you, we still got jobbed and as far as I'm concerned, the officiating is still a very big problem. TAM only had more fouls and free throws because of those final few minutes where they HAD to foul/SEC's attempt to even it out.

Just want to make sure this doesn't get lost in the shuffle as these numbers really don't tell the whole picture, especially with TA&M being a MUCH more aggressive team no less.

 

[Emarc]

Ok

 

[Creed Bratton]

I think most fans understand that even fouls and free throws doesn't mean the calls are even. I watched a high school game last night where one team reached, hacked, pushed, held and tried to block every shot. The other team was less physical and more played more passive wasn't reaching and holding or going after shots aggressively. The coach for the team who was being physical complained the entire first half about the foul discrepancy and how his team was being called for more fouls than the other team. After half time I'm sure you know what happened, the team who was playing rugby was into the bonus 4 minutes into the 3rd quarter and 1 minute into the 4th quarter. Yes you heard that right the refs called 5 fouls on the passive team within the first minute of the 4th quarter. Funny thing was despite them giving him all the calls he still whined and complained the 2nd half too. 🤣

 

[B.B.H.]

We by no means have been hosed the last two games. If we are going to do this literally every game it means nothing. Save the “refs cheated” stuff for games like Georgia. Otherwise we cry wolf into a crowd of eye rolling onlookers.

 

[Creed Bratton]

We by no means have been hosed the last two games. If we are going to do this literally every game it means nothing. Save the “refs cheated” stuff for games like Georgia. Otherwise we cry wolf into a crowd of eye rolling onlookers.

I don't think we were hosed like the UGA game but I do think the one white ref not named Doug Sirmons was horrible and should consider dropping back down to the high school level. I'm not certain if it was intentional or that he is just horrible.

 

[UKWildcats1987]

UK beat a physical fouling team last night by double digits. I was impressed with the growth from uga a week earlier to this game.

Refs were somewhat better but the T was weak and they let them play too much at times IMO.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Sec refs are just terrible and its almost always to our detriment. Last night they missed three very clear and easy put of bounds calls plus the missed goaltending where the defender's arm went up through the rim.

One of those out of bounds was eventually corrected, but all those misses were just egregious.

 

[CincinnatiWildcat]

We by no means have been hosed the last two games. If we are going to do this literally every game it means nothing. Save the “refs cheated” stuff for games like Georgia. Otherwise we cry wolf into a crowd of eye rolling onlookers.

I don't think we got hosed, but that also does not mean officials were good. What gets me the most worked up is when the wrong official makes a call that is questionable or on review wrong. You see this all the time in college basketball where the ref diagonally across the floor makes a foul call that seems questionable. Then they show a replay and you see there was no foul and there was another ref standing right there staring at the play with nothing in-between him and the play and that guy didn't blow his whistle

 

[LineSkiCat14]

We by no means have been hosed the last two games. If we are going to do this literally every game it means nothing. Save the “refs cheated” stuff for games like Georgia. Otherwise we cry wolf into a crowd of eye rolling onlookers.

8-10 points on bad calls for the HOME TEAM, is more than enough for me to say the officials were pretty bad.

I don't see how "Not being awful" somehow means it's OK? If your wife "only slept with a few guys but not a ton".. is that fine? We shouldn't accept poor officiating just because it's better than awful officiating.

 

[CincinnatiWildcat]

Sec refs are just terrible and its almost always to our detriment. Last night they missed three very clear and easy put of bounds calls plus the missed goaltending where the defender's arm went up through the rim.

One of those out of bounds was eventually corrected, but all those misses were just egregious.

The goaltend was really obvious and very bad. You know its bad when you hear all of rupp arena react over the TV because they know the rules better than the zebras

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Sec refs are just terrible and its almost always to our detriment. Last night they missed three very clear and easy put of bounds calls plus the missed goaltending where the defender's arm went up through the rim.

One of those out of bounds was eventually corrected, but all those misses were just egregious.

I forgot about one I saw, maybe you did too. TAM airballed a 3 and it hit the baseline.. TAM scooped it up for an offensive rebound, sometime fairly early in the first half.

 

[St.PatterSoN-54-]

The take home message is that any team with less talent is going to try to muck it up, get physical, and force us to win ugly.

In the UGA and Clemson games, we weren't willing to do what it took to overcome. In the MSU and A&M games, we were.

I'll take that as growth and Veteran Leadership.

 

[B.B.H.]

We also benefited several times last night. I think Oweh is still taking extra steps as we speak on that breakaway.

 

[EliteBlue]

They started intentionally fouling around 2:30 when they executed a flawless crack block and ankle lock takedown on Garrison

 

[JonathanW]

Only the one call (on Williams) last night was attrocious. The calls were equally bad on both sides otherwise, which is fair.

 

[B.B.H.]

Only the one call (on Williams) last night was attrocious. The calls were equally bad on both sides otherwise, which is fair.

Couldn’t agree more. Just typical bad collegiate level officiating.

 

[fisherscatfan]

The goaltend was really obvious and very bad. You know its bad when you hear all of rupp arena react over the TV because they know the rules better than the zebras

Exactly. I understand the whole once the ball touches the backboard rule but that ball was below the rim and coming down. At what point does it become legal to rebound a missed bank shot. With that said, given it was a foul call Williams needs to let that go.

I halfway expected Garrison to be called for offensive goal tending when he grabbed the rim on the and one that UK had late.

 

[Creed Bratton]

To me it was just one ref and I don't think he was on the take he was just really bad at being a ref. As a side note he was the one who called the offensive foul on Amari.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

I forgot about one I saw, maybe you did too. TAM airballed a 3 and it hit the baseline.. TAM scooped it up for an offensive rebound, sometime fairly early in the first half.

I missed that one.

 

[CRZ4UK]

ATM was flopping all over the court.
The officials looked at a player 3 times that flopped to the floor like get up.
I ain’t going for that.
One guy in the middle of the lane, jumped backwards, flailed his arms and fell on a rebound missed shot.
No one was near him. The official walks up and looks at him like…. Get up.
At least this crew was seeing flops for what they were.
Georgia refs bought every one

 

[bbncal02]

 

[CincinnatiWildcat]

Exactly. I understand the whole once the ball touches the backboard rule but that ball was below the rim and coming down. At what point does it become legal to rebound a missed bank shot. With that said, given it was a foul call Williams needs to let that go.

I halfway expected Garrison to be called for offensive goal tending when he grabbed the rim on the and one that UK had late.

I'm talking about the goaltend they missed on A&M. I forget who but UK got fouled while shooting a lay up, and another A&M player came and tried to contest the shot and put his hand through the rim. Should have clearly been an and 1 but instead we got 2 free throws.

 

[runt#69]

The officiating was poor, but that's an almost USUAL thing - for Kentucky's home games. On the road, it gets infuriating how badly it is called.

It's obvious teams are going to try to control the pace of the game and muck it up, play as physical as they can **apparently** get away with. And the refs allow it, by and large.

My issue last night was that the offiicals allowed the game to be WAY too physical. I mean, cmon. Anyone watching that game could see that Texas A&M was really taking every physical shot they could give to us. butler was absolutely brutalized. And it's not necessarily that the calls were missed (but there were plenty of that) my problem is that the officials didnt sieze control by not allowing that kind of physical play.

It's up to refs to take control of these slugfests when one team is consistently hacking, grabbing, and tugging on jerseys. It's just not good basketball to watch when you see a game ruined by how the officials lack taking proper steps to control that kind of physical play. It was far too aggressive.

And, as usual, we won.

Screw it.

I always said " screw it, just go ahead and beat the other team and three zebras too."

I havent changed that tune in 50 years.

I'll be dead and gone before the NCAA ever makes any substantive changes to how they have college bqsketball games officiated. The current system is rubbish, there is no control or oversight, there is no properly funded (ie - salaried) officials. They need to pay the refs as a salaried employee with reviews and reprimands like any other business.

Besides all of this, the NCAA already came down and said they were going to clean the game up and make it more free flowing, freedom of movement and all that.

I say BS.

Nothing has changed. Especially in the most physical conference in the country - the SEC.

It's just sad to watch these kind of games where the officials plain suck. If it's a good game, you never even hear or think about the bad officiating. They're invisible in such contests.
I hope they can clean it up eventually. It would make for a much more enjoyable game to watch.