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Joe Rogan fact checks Bernie Sanders on Global Warming hoax

I'm sorry but any 'study' that says the sun does not affect the temperature of the earth is fiction. It is, in fact, the SOURCE of heat for earth. How can anyone with half a brain state that the sun's fluctuations have no affect on the earth's temperature? I don't have to have a PhD in climate science to use just a bit of common sense to know that's unadulterated BS. The earth's path around the sun is not a perfect ellipse - would these same scientists state that being a bit closer or further from the sun would also not have any effect on the earth's temperature? You can quote all the 'scientific research' you'd like but common sense refutes much of what is 'settled science' - an oxymoron if ever there was one. What did 'settled science' tell us about the COVID vaccine, reactions among young/healthy individuals, efficacy of the vaccine, etc.?

I am not denying that the earth may, in fact, be warming. I struggle to trust that we have the technology to accurately assess whether it is and to what extent as the earth is a damn big ecosystem. However, to disregard the SUN and blame 'global warming' on man is where I throw up my resistance. It is a political issue more than an science issue. And, singling out CO2 as a huge culprit is, as I stated above, asinine. Let's take CO2 levels to zero and see what happens to life on earth. So, there is some level of CO2 that is necessary. Is it .04%? How would one go about determining that? If mankind somehow reduced CO2 levels to .03% - what would the outcome be? A rebirth of Garden of Eden? Or worldwide famines with millions/billions of humans starving to death? If CO2 levels were .05% - how would that change the ecosystem? Would the changes be positive or negative for human life? I don't believe we have the ability to model situations like that with any expectation of accuracy. And, to restate, I am 100% in favor of preserving and enhancing the environment. Spending trillions of dollars unnecessarily to put the world's economies into a New Stone Age is species suicide, imo.

Academic research has, for years, been accused of reaching conclusions that the funder of said research is looking for. If Big Oil funds a climate study, does anyone believe the researchers are going to conclude anything other than fossil fuels do not affect the climate? And the converse is also true. If Big Pharma did a study on COVID vaccines, I'm guessing I can tell you what the conclusion will be before the first egghead begins to gather data. There is a whole industry dedicated to 'climate change' and 'alternative energy' - why? Because there is potentially trillions of dollars to be made in the transition. If all these eco-terrorists were serious about CO2 and the environment, why aren't they championing nuclear power generation and hydrogen combustion engines, etc.? Because it's NOT about the environment. It's about $$$$$. How many eco-catastrophes have been dreamed up in my lifetime? About 25 and counting. 'Global warming' is just one more in a long line. There will be others - trust me.
These articles from the true believers always use "weasel words" like recent. That can be used to avoid any contradictory data. The 1950s was not recent...they say while hoping a reader of a headline can project RECENT to mean back to the 1800's. People read headlines and then believe what they want.

Well the sun or global warming is not responsible for the RECENT warm few days we will have this week. Its a heat bubble trapped over the mid-west. So I could write a giant headline, scientists say global warming NOT responsible for recent heat wave.

Unfortunately the issue is more political than science. Too much money to be made from studies promoting man-made warming, none available for opposing data. Just mocking and name calling. You are a DENIER.
 
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I'm not characterizing what happens I'm just posting and referencing data which supports that we are now in an accelerated period of warming.

Agree

I think you are talking about that email thing. That's been address on here previously and fact checked to show the conversation which mis understood. At any rate I choose to accept the opinions of the world climate scientist and reputable scientific reorganization over a questionable email. You and others are welcome to arrive at a different cnclusiton.


I do not accept that most scientific agencies and climate phDs are dishonestly rendering false options for money.

Here is a list of major scientific organizations worldwide that have publicly stated that global warming is real and primarily caused by human activities. I don't think they are all dishonest.


  1. American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS)
  2. American Chemical Society (ACS)
  3. American Geophysical Union (AGU)
  4. American Meteorological Society (AMS)
  5. American Physical Society (APS)
  6. Geological Society of America (GSA)
  7. National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA)
  8. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)
  9. United States National Academy of Sciences
  10. United Kingdom Royal Society
  11. Australian Academy of Science
  12. Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
  13. Chinese Academy of Sciences
  14. European Academy of Sciences and Arts
  15. European Geosciences Union (EGU)
  16. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)
  17. International Council for Science (ICSU)
  18. Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
  19. German Academy of Sciences Leopoldina
  20. French Academy of Sciences
  21. Indian National Science Academy
  22. Russian Academy of Sciences
  23. Science Council of Japan
  24. Brazilian Academy of Sciences
  25. African Academy of Sciences
  26. Academia Mexicana de Ciencias (Mexico)
  27. Royal Society of Canada
  28. Royal Flemish Academy of Belgium for Sciences and the Arts
  29. Royal Irish Academy
  30. Swiss Academy of Sciences
  31. Norwegian Academy of Science and Letters
  32. Finnish Academy of Science and Letters
  33. Polish Academy of Sciences
  34. Hungarian Academy of Sciences
  35. Academy of Science of South Africa
The old Appeal to Authority.

The next logical step that anyone who truly seeks truth would be to determine which of those organizations rely on public funding.
 
I'm sorry but any 'study' that says the sun does not affect the temperature of the earth is fiction. It is, in fact, the SOURCE of heat for earth. How can anyone with half a brain state that the sun's fluctuations have no affect on the earth's temperature? I don't have to have a PhD in climate science to use just a bit of common sense to know that's unadulterated BS. The earth's path around the sun is not a perfect ellipse - would these same scientists state that being a bit closer or further from the sun would also not have any effect on the earth's temperature? You can quote all the 'scientific research' you'd like but common sense refutes much of what is 'settled science' - an oxymoron if ever there was one. What did 'settled science' tell us about the COVID vaccine, reactions among young/healthy individuals, efficacy of the vaccine, etc.?

I am not denying that the earth may, in fact, be warming. I struggle to trust that we have the technology to accurately assess whether it is and to what extent as the earth is a damn big ecosystem. However, to disregard the SUN and blame 'global warming' on man is where I throw up my resistance. It is a political issue more than an science issue. And, singling out CO2 as a huge culprit is, as I stated above, asinine. Let's take CO2 levels to zero and see what happens to life on earth. So, there is some level of CO2 that is necessary. Is it .04%? How would one go about determining that? If mankind somehow reduced CO2 levels to .03% - what would the outcome be? A rebirth of Garden of Eden? Or worldwide famines with millions/billions of humans starving to death? If CO2 levels were .05% - how would that change the ecosystem? Would the changes be positive or negative for human life? I don't believe we have the ability to model situations like that with any expectation of accuracy. And, to restate, I am 100% in favor of preserving and enhancing the environment. Spending trillions of dollars unnecessarily to put the world's economies into a New Stone Age is species suicide, imo.

Academic research has, for years, been accused of reaching conclusions that the funder of said research is looking for. If Big Oil funds a climate study, does anyone believe the researchers are going to conclude anything other than fossil fuels do not affect the climate? And the converse is also true. If Big Pharma did a study on COVID vaccines, I'm guessing I can tell you what the conclusion will be before the first egghead begins to gather data. There is a whole industry dedicated to 'climate change' and 'alternative energy' - why? Because there is potentially trillions of dollars to be made in the transition. If all these eco-terrorists were serious about CO2 and the environment, why aren't they championing nuclear power generation and hydrogen combustion engines, etc.? Because it's NOT about the environment. It's about $$$$$. How many eco-catastrophes have been dreamed up in my lifetime? About 25 and counting. 'Global warming' is just one more in a long line. There will be others - trust me.
It's like when they compare rising co2 levels on Earth to that of venus.... Earth went from about 300ppm co2 to about 440ppm. ppm stands for parts per million. Venus is 97% co2.... that means Venus has 970,000 co2 molecules per 1,000,000 molecules in their atmosphere... Earth has 440 co2 molecules for every 1,000,000. It just isn't the same in any way yet you hear experts site it all the time.
 
Right, because if you go back say a century there was no accelerated warming trend. The data shows it increasing more rapidly in the last two decades.
Understood. But saying that the solar impact has been debunked is not correct. On a geological time scale 1950 and 2 decades are simply too recent to get freaked out about. Accelerated can easily become decelerated on a dime. In any event making the USA bend ourselves into a pretzel as China and India laughs at us is not something I am in support of. JMHO
 
Joe is a great interviewer but he's not a scientist. The fact is the earth has been heating rapidly over the last several years as we can see from this chart which covers the industrial age:


ClimateDashboard-global-surface-temperature-graph-20230118-1400px.png
This is the fact. Too many people want to make facts fit their beliefs, instead of the other way around. This phenomenon started in no small part when the Southern Baptist Convention was taken over by the far right in the year 2000 and adopted the before then fringe belief of biblical inerrancy. If you believe the Bible, strictly, over your sense of reason and what can be proven, you are likely in a cult.
 
I'm not characterizing what happens I'm just posting and referencing data which supports that we are now in an accelerated period of warming.

Agree

I think you are talking about that email thing. That's been address on here previously and fact checked to show the conversation which mis understood. At any rate I choose to accept the opinions of the world climate scientist and reputable scientific reorganization over a questionable email. You and others are welcome to arrive at a different cnclusiton.


I do not accept that most scientific agencies and climate phDs are dishonestly rendering false options for money.

Here is a list of major scientific organizations worldwide that have publicly stated that global warming is real and primarily caused by human activities. I don't think they are all dishonest.


  1. American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS)
  2. American Chemical Society (ACS)
  3. American Geophysical Union (AGU)
  4. American Meteorological Society (AMS)
  5. American Physical Society (APS)
  6. Geological Society of America (GSA)
  7. National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA)
  8. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)
  9. United States National Academy of Sciences
  10. United Kingdom Royal Society
  11. Australian Academy of Science
  12. Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
  13. Chinese Academy of Sciences
  14. European Academy of Sciences and Arts
  15. European Geosciences Union (EGU)
  16. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)
  17. International Council for Science (ICSU)
  18. Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
  19. German Academy of Sciences Leopoldina
  20. French Academy of Sciences
  21. Indian National Science Academy
  22. Russian Academy of Sciences
  23. Science Council of Japan
  24. Brazilian Academy of Sciences
  25. African Academy of Sciences
  26. Academia Mexicana de Ciencias (Mexico)
  27. Royal Society of Canada
  28. Royal Flemish Academy of Belgium for Sciences and the Arts
  29. Royal Irish Academy
  30. Swiss Academy of Sciences
  31. Norwegian Academy of Science and Letters
  32. Finnish Academy of Science and Letters
  33. Polish Academy of Sciences
  34. Hungarian Academy of Sciences
  35. Academy of Science of South Africa
You admit that there are climate scientists who assess human involvement to warming at less than 10%, right?

Do you believe this is an existential threat?
 
I'm not characterizing what happens I'm just posting and referencing data which supports that we are now in an accelerated period of warming.

Agree

I think you are talking about that email thing. That's been address on here previously and fact checked to show the conversation which mis understood. At any rate I choose to accept the opinions of the world climate scientist and reputable scientific reorganization over a questionable email. You and others are welcome to arrive at a different cnclusiton.


I do not accept that most scientific agencies and climate phDs are dishonestly rendering false options for money.

Here is a list of major scientific organizations worldwide that have publicly stated that global warming is real and primarily caused by human activities. I don't think they are all dishonest.


  1. American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS)
  2. American Chemical Society (ACS)
  3. American Geophysical Union (AGU)
  4. American Meteorological Society (AMS)
  5. American Physical Society (APS)
  6. Geological Society of America (GSA)
  7. National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA)
  8. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)
  9. United States National Academy of Sciences
  10. United Kingdom Royal Society
  11. Australian Academy of Science
  12. Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
  13. Chinese Academy of Sciences
  14. European Academy of Sciences and Arts
  15. European Geosciences Union (EGU)
  16. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)
  17. International Council for Science (ICSU)
  18. Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
  19. German Academy of Sciences Leopoldina
  20. French Academy of Sciences
  21. Indian National Science Academy
  22. Russian Academy of Sciences
  23. Science Council of Japan
  24. Brazilian Academy of Sciences
  25. African Academy of Sciences
  26. Academia Mexicana de Ciencias (Mexico)
  27. Royal Society of Canada
  28. Royal Flemish Academy of Belgium for Sciences and the Arts
  29. Royal Irish Academy
  30. Swiss Academy of Sciences
  31. Norwegian Academy of Science and Letters
  32. Finnish Academy of Science and Letters
  33. Polish Academy of Sciences
  34. Hungarian Academy of Sciences
  35. Academy of Science of South Africa
Wait are you Z? He used to do this all the time.
 
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