Joe Rogan fact checks Bernie Sanders on Global Warming hoax

No doubt which side I am on, but the biggest problem I see with environmentalists is they too often let the perfect become the enemy of the good, or the better.

Maybe in a perfect world, we would have built high speed electric trains instead of a gazillion miles of interstates, and we would have solar panels on every building in America, and lots of windmill farms on the open prairie, and lots of battery storage with a great transmission system making it all work efficiently without pouring more CO2 into the atmosphere.

But we didn't, and we don't, and none of the above is going to get built in the present climate in any relatively short period of time under any reasonable scenario. So what is the next best alternative? I would vote for nuclear. Three Mile Island was almost 50 years ago and a big nothing burger compared to Chernobyl, for example. Now some companies are working on very small nuclear plants which can be built for a fraction of the cost, and much faster. Technology is not market ready yet, but smart people are working on it.

Yet the official position of the Sierra Club, to name one, is anti nuke. Sure, nuclear has its potential harms and its shortcomings, but so does every other form of energy. Personally, I kind of like transportation, AC, and heating, and cooking in my own home. Would lot rather see nuclear installations than a shit ton more coal fired plants. You can't just be against everything, except the perfect ideal scenario, or people quit listening to you.

Great local example is the Fayette Alliance ("FA"), whose avowed goal is to preserve the iconic horse farms and agricultural land surrounding Lexington. This is my hometown, and I 100% agree with the goal. But I also have kinda gotten used to having a home and a place to shop. Problem is the FA (and Bluegrass Tomorrow) literally opposes every new project proposed, if they take any position at all. I can't remember them ever supporting a new residential or commercial development. What they will tell you in every instance is "we are NOT opposed to all development; it is just that THIS particular development has too many problems . . . so we will naturally oppose it publicly and lobby the government to see that it is not built." I saw a brand new hospital development halted in Woodford County using this exact strategy, while the old hospital there is a pile of crap. I retired so don't know the status of the hospital project at the moment, but BG tomorrow certainly was not in favor.
 
No doubt which side I am on, but the biggest problem I see with environmentalists is they too often let the perfect become the enemy of the good, or the better.

Maybe in a perfect world, we would have built high speed electric trains instead of a gazillion miles of interstates, and we would have solar panels on every building in America, and lots of windmill farms on the open prairie, and lots of battery storage with a great transmission system making it all work efficiently without pouring more CO2 into the atmosphere.

But we didn't, and we don't, and none of the above is going to get built in the present climate in any relatively short period of time under any reasonable scenario. So what is the next best alternative? I would vote for nuclear. Three Mile Island was almost 50 years ago and a big nothing burger compared to Chernobyl, for example. Now some companies are working on very small nuclear plants which can be built for a fraction of the cost, and much faster. Technology is not market ready yet, but smart people are working on it.

Yet the official position of the Sierra Club, to name one, is anti nuke. Sure, nuclear has its potential harms and its shortcomings, but so does every other form of energy. Personally, I kind of like transportation, AC, and heating, and cooking in my own home. Would lot rather see nuclear installations than a shit ton more coal fired plants. You can't just be against everything, except the perfect ideal scenario, or people quit listening to you.

Great local example is the Fayette Alliance ("FA"), whose avowed goal is to preserve the iconic horse farms and agricultural land surrounding Lexington. This is my hometown, and I 100% agree with the goal. But I also have kinda gotten used to having a home and a place to shop. Problem is the FA (and Bluegrass Tomorrow) literally opposes every new project proposed, if they take any position at all. I can't remember them ever supporting a new residential or commercial development. What they will tell you in every instance is "we are NOT opposed to all development; it is just that THIS particular development has too many problems . . . so we will naturally oppose it publicly and lobby the government to see that it is not built." I saw a brand new hospital development halted in Woodford County using this exact strategy, while the old hospital there is a pile of crap. I retired so don't know the status of the hospital project at the moment, but BG tomorrow certainly was not in favor.
Excellent post. Agree 1000% re: nuclear. The automatic naysayers on both sides on any/every issue just wear me out. Neither party has a monopoly on good ideas. How about considering some with an open mind once in a while?
 
Yet the official position of the Sierra Club, to name one, is anti nuke. Sure, nuclear has its potential harms and its shortcomings, but so does every other form of energy. Personally, I kind of like transportation, AC, and heating, and cooking in my own home. Would lot rather see nuclear installations than a shit ton more coal fired plants. You can't just be against everything, except the perfect ideal scenario, or people quit listening to you.

Sierra club and the like are against nuclear because it solves the problem. Solving the problem means they no longer have a cause that generates all their income.

For those organizations and people, the power is always in the problem.
 
SMRs show a lot of potential, two of the most important ones are SMRs don't produce hazardous waste that requires secure storage, and many of the SMR designs don't require a free flowing water source like light-water reactors do so location isn't a big issue. The down side is they have a high upfront capital cost that has to be amortized over a long period of time so the immediate impact for utilities is higher rates in the near term that flatenout over the long term.

One that doesn't get discussed much is geothermal. It's another source of free energy that doesn't require a lot of upfront capital cost, and advanced technology detecting spots where the hot underground water exists is much better now.

In the end the best approach from a policy standpoint is to consider a mix of sources - solar, nuke, geothermal, wind, nat gas. All have their advantages and disadvantages.
 
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Sierra club and the like are against nuclear because it solves the problem. Solving the problem means they no longer have a cause that generates all their income.

For those organizations and people, the power is always in the problem.
Oh crap. What if we all went nuked and the temp just kept rising as the atmospheric co2 dropped! Hot damn dilemma!!!
 
First, I'd like to go a few weeks without seeing the word "hoax." Everything is apparently a hoax now. Must be that Musk simulation we're all in...

On the left, Leo, Mr. Climate Change himself, is at Amazon Man's wedding living it up. In his youth, he was at Diddy's parties. The ones who really browbeat us regular folks always seem to live it up all over the world. The left's messaging can be confusing too. One spokesman will say it's too late and our kids are doomed while another says the complete opposite. The left's overall message seems to be we have no message but something is happening, it's urgent, and we're going to make you feel guilty for driving five miles instead of biking to your destination. Granted, biking would be better since Americans are mostly fat and proud of it but my overall point stands.

The right always chooses the most absurd example of fringe comment as ammo and only goes with that in every conversation as if we all focus on animal farts or something. It's what Tucker did on Fox. His producers found the most fringe person online that week, put them on tv, and suddenly the guy spouting Putin talking points to an American audience with his stupid bowtie and dumb frat boy Ole Miss haircut sounds right down the middle and very moderate. The right also had a politician some years back walk around with a snowball in his hand as if that disproves warming temps. A local conservative radio host would use lame, unfunny humor on Earth Day to troll the left and try to get folks from that side to call in. "It's Earth Day. I'm gonna leave my big gas guzzling truck running in the parking lot today! HA!!!! Take that, libs!!!"

So yeah, I just hit both sides for their stupidity and trolling. I'm just a guy. I recycle. I'm okay with doing that while others try to solve the whole windmills cause cancer talking point our POTUS has been obsessed with for several years.
Dude. You said that the LA fires weren't political even though the city and state cut millions of dollars from the firefighting budget and wouldn't arrest criminally insane homeless people who were caught setting fires... then you blamed Trump for people dying in KY from a tornado. You are the worst political hack on the board and try to act like you are a moderate that is always just looking at the facts. Just admit you're a partisan hack instead of constantly being made fun of.
 
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No doubt which side I am on, but the biggest problem I see with environmentalists is they too often let the perfect become the enemy of the good, or the better.

Maybe in a perfect world, we would have built high speed electric trains instead of a gazillion miles of interstates, and we would have solar panels on every building in America, and lots of windmill farms on the open prairie, and lots of battery storage with a great transmission system making it all work efficiently without pouring more CO2 into the atmosphere.

But we didn't, and we don't, and none of the above is going to get built in the present climate in any relatively short period of time under any reasonable scenario. So what is the next best alternative? I would vote for nuclear. Three Mile Island was almost 50 years ago and a big nothing burger compared to Chernobyl, for example. Now some companies are working on very small nuclear plants which can be built for a fraction of the cost, and much faster. Technology is not market ready yet, but smart people are working on it.

Yet the official position of the Sierra Club, to name one, is anti nuke. Sure, nuclear has its potential harms and its shortcomings, but so does every other form of energy. Personally, I kind of like transportation, AC, and heating, and cooking in my own home. Would lot rather see nuclear installations than a shit ton more coal fired plants. You can't just be against everything, except the perfect ideal scenario, or people quit listening to you.

Great local example is the Fayette Alliance ("FA"), whose avowed goal is to preserve the iconic horse farms and agricultural land surrounding Lexington. This is my hometown, and I 100% agree with the goal. But I also have kinda gotten used to having a home and a place to shop. Problem is the FA (and Bluegrass Tomorrow) literally opposes every new project proposed, if they take any position at all. I can't remember them ever supporting a new residential or commercial development. What they will tell you in every instance is "we are NOT opposed to all development; it is just that THIS particular development has too many problems . . . so we will naturally oppose it publicly and lobby the government to see that it is not built." I saw a brand new hospital development halted in Woodford County using this exact strategy, while the old hospital there is a pile of crap. I retired so don't know the status of the hospital project at the moment, but BG tomorrow certainly was not in favor.
Yep. 2 people in this thread said "we need to change our behavior to save the planet".... They've been saying that for 30 years. What are they waiting for? Why is it other people that need to change as long their personal lives aren't affected? If you spend more than $40/week in gas and have an electric bill over $100/month then you are in the top 1% of co2 contributors on the planet.
 
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Sierra club and the like are against nuclear because it solves the problem. Solving the problem means they no longer have a cause that generates all their income.

For those organizations and people, the power is always in the problem.
Yep. Nuclear solves a lot, but the "climate change" grift is the money maker. I'm 100% on nuclear.
 
Here the issue in my eyes: the climate change doomsday predictions started about 20 years ago talking about how Miami was going to be underwater and massive devastating droughts etc etc but the predictions were for now - and it hasn’t happened at all. So how long are we supposed to wait for these devastations before seriously doubting it? China is producing just as much carbon as ever and still no doomsday. The day after tomorrow, which I personally think is a great popcorn flick, is now over 20 years old.
 
Here the issue in my eyes: the climate change doomsday predictions started about 20 years ago talking about how Miami was going to be underwater and massive devastating droughts etc etc but the predictions were for now - and it hasn’t happened at all. So how long are we supposed to wait for these devastations before seriously doubting it? China is producing just as much carbon as ever and still no doomsday. The day after tomorrow, which I personally think is a great popcorn flick, is now over 20 years old.
I still think cooling is the great fear and not heating. Humans have flourished in hotter times but we suck at surviving the cold.
 
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No doubt which side I am on, but the biggest problem I see with environmentalists is they too often let the perfect become the enemy of the good, or the better.

Maybe in a perfect world, we would have built high speed electric trains instead of a gazillion miles of interstates, and we would have solar panels on every building in America, and lots of windmill farms on the open prairie, and lots of battery storage with a great transmission system making it all work efficiently without pouring more CO2 into the atmosphere.

But we didn't, and we don't, and none of the above is going to get built in the present climate in any relatively short period of time under any reasonable scenario. So what is the next best alternative? I would vote for nuclear. Three Mile Island was almost 50 years ago and a big nothing burger compared to Chernobyl, for example. Now some companies are working on very small nuclear plants which can be built for a fraction of the cost, and much faster. Technology is not market ready yet, but smart people are working on it.

Yet the official position of the Sierra Club, to name one, is anti nuke. Sure, nuclear has its potential harms and its shortcomings, but so does every other form of energy. Personally, I kind of like transportation, AC, and heating, and cooking in my own home. Would lot rather see nuclear installations than a shit ton more coal fired plants. You can't just be against everything, except the perfect ideal scenario, or people quit listening to you.

Great local example is the Fayette Alliance ("FA"), whose avowed goal is to preserve the iconic horse farms and agricultural land surrounding Lexington. This is my hometown, and I 100% agree with the goal. But I also have kinda gotten used to having a home and a place to shop. Problem is the FA (and Bluegrass Tomorrow) literally opposes every new project proposed, if they take any position at all. I can't remember them ever supporting a new residential or commercial development. What they will tell you in every instance is "we are NOT opposed to all development; it is just that THIS particular development has too many problems . . . so we will naturally oppose it publicly and lobby the government to see that it is not built." I saw a brand new hospital development halted in Woodford County using this exact strategy, while the old hospital there is a pile of crap. I retired so don't know the status of the hospital project at the moment, but BG tomorrow certainly was not in favor.
Lexington traffic is horrible because of this. Louisville is a dream compared to what you deal with because of these NIMBYs.
 
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It's stuff like this that makes climate change unbelievable. The people that scream the loudest have the highest carbon footprints but pay a small fee to feel good about it. What does a Truck driver do other than go broke?
Yeah this is exactly why I don't buy it either. Plus I'm smart enough to understand what a representative sample is in terms of something that's been in existence for hundreds of thousands of years... that stupid hockey stick graph is ridiculous.