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Honorable mention goes to SI this morning as well. Instead of taking about Duke vs Houston, they are blabbering about women's game on their home page.

SI also loves them some Duke. If Duke had won I guarantee they wouldn't have women's basketball on home page.
 
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I still maintain that in a one and done tournament format there's so much randomness. If you want to win titles, put yourself in position to win titles year in and year out.

That was the biggest issue Cal had here. We were so up and down (who goes from a national title to the NIT?).

Houston has been consistently good for so long now. And it might pay off Monday.
 
I still maintain that in a one and done tournament format there's so much randomness. If you want to win titles, put yourself in position to win titles year in and year out.

That was the biggest issue Cal had here. We were so up and down (who goes from a national title to the NIT?).

Houston has been consistently good for so long now. And it might pay off Monday.

Putting his faith in Ryan Harrow is what caused that NIT season. He was just under way too much pressure
 
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I still maintain that in a one and done tournament format there's so much randomness. If you want to win titles, put yourself in position to win titles year in and year out.

That was the biggest issue Cal had here. We were so up and down (who goes from a national title to the NIT?).

Houston has been consistently good for so long now. And it might pay off Monday.
Completely agree. My eyes and the numbers told me that Duke team was historically good. Problem for them, is Houston is also a top 7 team all time in KenPom. Im so glad Duke lost, but that team was unreal. Scheyer has earned the doubt and deservedly so for choking away what should have been a title game appearance for them
 
Honorable mention goes to SI this morning as well. Instead of taking about Duke vs Houston, they are blabbering about women's game on their home page.

SI also loves them some Duke. If Duke had won I guarantee they wouldn't have women's basketball on home page.
I'd like to agree with you but last weekend they had the gal's scores front and center over the men's scores.

And the gal's title game is today.
 
Since conference tournaments began, Houston has been the best team in the nation per bartorvik. Even when you break it down by the pre S16, E8, F4 days as the cutoff

To be exact, it was Houston>Florida>Duke>Auburn heading into this weekend
 
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Completely agree. My eyes and the numbers told me that Duke team was historically good. Problem for them, is Houston is also a top 7 team all time in KenPom. Im so glad Duke lost, but that team was unreal. Scheyer has earned the doubt and deservedly so for choking away what should have been a title game appearance for them
You’ve got to watch all the games though and accept them for what they are.

Duke was a phenomenal front runner especially against patsies. The Kenpom metrics bear that out.

But they got pushed 4 times, really, and lost all 4.

Some version of the same play every time, too. Give the ball to Flagg and watch him blow it.

Harsh, maybe, but factually what happened.

Really good team, but not elite. Been saying that for a long time, and I still feel that’s correct.
 
You’ve got to watch all the games though and accrot them for what they are.

Duke was a phenomenal front runner especially against patsies. The Kenpom metrics bear that out.

But they got pushed 4 times, really, and lost all 4.

Some version of the same play every time, too. Give the ball to Flagg and watch him blow it.

Harsh, maybe, but factually what happened.

Really good team, but not elite. Been saying that for a long time, and I still feel that’s correct.
Thankfully, CBB as a whole won’t be as good next year. Gives a chance for us to step into our old spot.
 
Thankfully, CBB as a whole won’t be as good next year. Gives a chance for us to step into our old spot.
Maybe it won’t be? Probably not, but who knows?

This was the most stacked season we’ve seen in a while, but I’m not sure how many people were predicting it going in.

Tough to measure what the chemistry might look like on these newly assembled teams, and hard to know exactly who is coming back.
 
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Maybe it won’t be? Probably not, but who knows?

This was the most stacked season we’ve seen in a while, but I’m not sure how many people were predicting it going in.

Tough to measure what the chemistry might look like on these newly assembled teams, and hard to know exactly who is coming back.
It’s because of the extra year. CBB will be significantly younger on the whole next year. Just because of the two class eligibility expiration, continuity as a whole is going to take a major hit. I bet you don’t see five of the all-time best KP teams in one year again next year but we will see.
 
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My guess he will be back. I’m gonna assume Flagg, Kneupple and Maluach are gone to the Draft. Caleb Foster and Isaiah Evan’s transfer and Proctor comes back. Just a hunch.
I'd keep Evans and move on from Proctor. Duke improved when Evans got more minutes. If you look at their losses he was either DNP (they claimed he was banged up) or got limited minutes.

Foster will be told about "The Brotherhood ad nauseum" and attempted to brainwash him.

Ngongba will walk if Maluach returns.
 
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I'd keep Evans and move on from Proctor. Duke improved when Evans got more minutes. If you look at their losses he was either DNP (they claimed he was banged up) or got limited minutes.

Foster will be told about "The Brotherhood ad nauseum" and attempted to brainwash him.

Ngongba will walk if Maluach returns.
I don’t think Nbonga is any good really. Hot take, I know. Can’t see Maluach staying. At least I hope not — he played bad but he is a scary rim defender.
 
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It’s because of the extra year. CBB will be significantly younger on the whole next year. Just because of the two class eligibility expiration, continuity as a whole is going to take a major hit. I bet you don’t see five of the all-time best KP teams in one year again next year but we will see.

I think it’s partly because of the extra year, but that’s not all of it. UCONN ran away with it last year, and there were already a lot of players getting the extra Covid year.

I think it has more to do with the transfer portal and NIL, but I agree that the extra year contributes.

Also could have been a bit of a perfect storm. Teams like Auburn/Florida/Houston who were all able to step up a level or 2 following disappointing ends to last season.
 
I don’t think Nbonga is any good really. Hot take, I know. Can’t see Maluach staying. At least I hope not — he played bad but he is a scary rim defender.
Maluach needs to go Pro to get the proper coaching and player development. He looks like a HS Freshman physically and he has no game outside of dunking the ball and blocking some shots. This isn't Donovan Clingan as much as Duke just copied everything Hurley and UConn did for the past 2 yrs down to trying to make Scheyer more "edgy" in the offseason. If that MF'er shows up to an AAU Tournament with a backwards hat on, I'll literally go over and spit water in his face in laughter.
 
Maluach needs to go Pro to get the proper coaching and player development. He looks like a HS Freshman physically and he has no game outside of dunking the ball and blocking some shots. This isn't Donovan Clingan as much as Duke just copied everything Hurley and UConn did for the past 2 yrs down to trying to make Scheyer more "edgy" in the offseason. If that MF'er shows up to an AAU Tournament with a backwards hat on, I'll literally go over and spit water in his face in laughter.

He has more pressing concerns today.

He’s getting deported
 
I think this game is going to lay on Duke and it's fans like the Georgetown anomaly has haunted UK for decades. When you had the best team and everyone knows it, it just never heals.

What a shame. :) GBB!
That Georgetown loss was terrible but the horrific loss to Wisconsin remains my worst nightmare!! 39-0 with a shot at the finals against the Blew Devils and Cal choked it big time! I'll never, ever forgive him for that.
 
I actually think this team was better than that Zion team. That team struggled to shoot and they really had too much unbalanced talent. Great wings and forwards.. but pretty meh on PG and Center as I recall.

Im curious about who may come back for them.. but realistically, they should lose Flagg, Maluach and Kon.. and honestly.. its going to be hard to replace all 3. They were all pretty great as freshman for their position. Others will graduate and maybe transfer. Their incoming class looks great, but will they all pan put like this class did, in their freshman year? Thats doubtful for any team. They also will lpse Sion James and Mason Gillis.

Idk, I think this was a perfect year to grab a title for them. ACC was at an all time low, their recruits were basically elite early on, perfect role players and defenders. Next year will not be as easy.
The big question is Isaiah Evans . Was ranked 13th and was out of the rotation for a lot of the year and only played 3 minutes last night .
 
My guess he will be back. I’m gonna assume Flagg, Kneupple and Maluach are gone to the Draft. Caleb Foster and Isaiah Evan’s transfer and Proctor comes back. Just a hunch.
Maluach had 0 rebounds last night .

I think he has bust potential in the NBA. It will be interesting to see . His Defense is going to have to be amazing at the next level .
 
I still maintain that in a one and done tournament format there's so much randomness. If you want to win titles, put yourself in position to win titles year in and year out.

That was the biggest issue Cal had here. We were so up and down (who goes from a national title to the NIT?).

Houston has been consistently good for so long now. And it might pay off Monday.
When you flip the roster every year and start from scratch, you will only win big if you have a generational talent surrounded by damn good players that buy in.

It's not a method you would use if your #1 priority was success in college. Calipari prioritized the wrong things and it’s one of many reasons why he's thought of as such a mid coach.

Seems like the teams winning titles are the ones that have roster continuity where players stay in the program forever.
 
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Scheyer is not a very good coach. He will only go as far as his talent can take him. He might eventually “luck” into a title due to all the talent the Duke brand brings in. He isn’t going to outsmart very many other coaches, though.
So you are saying he's like CCC.
 
Myself, and a couple others here, tried to remind people that Scheyer was already being doubted before Flagg came along and relieved some pressure. Flagg just made us all forget. This certainly doesn't help Scheyer. This is one of those nasty beats. This is one of those loses that falls squarely on the coach.
Absolutely. His whole strategy on that last shot was to get Flagg the ball and hope for the best. It was very Calipari-esque.
 
I think back to UNC game in the ACC tournament. Duke was up by a lot and UNC made that huge run. Scheyer looked lost and confused by the end.
That UNC game is the ONLY game that Duke won by fewer than 5 points all season.

Duke was not prepared to execute when the game played out to a single final possession because no one in the ACC (aside from Clemson at Clemson) was able to challenge them all season.
 
Completely agree. My eyes and the numbers told me that Duke team was historically good. Problem for them, is Houston is also a top 7 team all time in KenPom. Im so glad Duke lost, but that team was unreal. Scheyer has earned the doubt and deservedly so for choking away what should have been a title game appearance for them
What Duke was missing was a guy like Lamont Butler.
 
Trying to keep him around for next year. I think he gets drafted.
Drafted this year ? Seems like if he does it would be the second round .

If he returns I’d guess he would transfer. If he sticks around it’s crazy that Duke gets a guy to stick around with how quick guys are to transfer in this era .
 
Scheyer is not a very good coach. He will only go as far as his talent can take him. He might eventually “luck” into a title due to all the talent the Duke brand brings in. He isn’t going to outsmart very many other coaches, though.
Sounds like our ex-coach
 
One of the problems of playing in the dogshit ACC. No real close games to practice those situations.
playing in a weak conference always comes back to bite you in the ass in the NCAA tournament. It was righteous to happen this way.

even sweeter in the manner in which dUKe collapsed.

especially for all of us

their tears are as sweet wine
 
Watching him this morning on sportscenter.

He’s not doing well, he may need to seek therapy after last nights debacle.
I love it, for decades under ferret face, Puke got every call possible in the tournament and some made up calls that helped keep them in games. Now they fold under the pressure with ferret face 2.0 and their fans are screaming about one call that was the right call.
 
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