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It's Towles...

Sep 4, 2006
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Consider: We were up 24-7 at half. Bad Towles came out after halftime. We swapped TDs and FGs to hold a 33-17 lead. They'd just scored, and we ran the kickoff back to the 36. We went 3 and out, and missed the FG. The defense came right back on the field, gassed. They score, they convert, they kickoff, first play from scrimmage is a Towles INT. And the gassed defense goes right back out and gives up another TD and another conversion. That's more on Towles than it is on the defense. He has to be able to give them time to catch their breath, and tonight, he couldn't. We were very lucky to come away with a W.

The defense, as a whole (save for the DL) wasn't that bad until the time that PT became a liability to the team. Not only could he not lead us to scores, he couldn't even keep the offense on the field for more than 3 plays.

ULL is not a bad team. They're very well-coached and they can play with lower-end and even some decent power 5 conference teams, so the fact that the final score was close isn't really that shocking. We saw what this team can do in the first half when they weren't held back by their own QB. The problem is that more than half the games on our schedule this year would have been a loss with Towles playing the way he did after the half. He cost us several times last year. When the QB is playing like that, opponents can focus on shutting down the run because he can't make them pay.

I was concerned when he was named starter, but I do trust the staff. I can't imagine Barker is less dependable than Towles, and if he is, we're absolutely screwed. I hope they make the move from PT sooner than later. A player that inconsistent can't be trusted to make plays when you need them. Towles can not be allowed to hold the rest of the team back.
 
I don't like Towles demeanor on the field. Doesn't seem to ever have a connection with the Offensive players. Never makes a big play when we need one. He needs to be benched soon and lets see what Barker can do....I hope Barker starts getting into games sooner than later and takes over.
 
Only UK fans can have more threads about Towles as opposed to UK's joke of a defense in a game we score 40 points and give up 33 points.

Let that sink in...we scored 40 points and gave up 33...and we're wondering about Towles vs. Barker. Towles has his issues...but still threw for 257 yards, 3 tds and 1 int.

But QB is by far a lesser issue than about every spot on UK's front 7 on defense and 1 CB spot is still a grease fire...not to mention the man who in the D Coordinator looks like a total deer in headlights over there.
 
Defense was pretty good on 1st and 2nd downs. Dreadful on 3rd downs. Towles had some great moments and poor moments but this game was not on him. We have to lean how to stop teams on defense. They ran way too many plays.
 
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"Defense was gassed." That tends to happen when you can't make a stop.

They made stops in the first half. Remember, the half time score was 24-7. Why do you think they suddenly couldn't get a stop after our offense spent a total of 4 plays on the field, scoring zero points over the course of 2 possessions?
 
The head ball coach is licking his chops in anticipation of strumming UK yet again in steamy, wild Williams-Brice Stadium. He will show no mercy.
 
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towles was inaccurate in the second half, but in his defense, we should have been running the ball more, up 17 to 20 in the 2nd half and we don't even attempt a run. Horton should have been used in that situation.

AND, 1st game, with a new O coordinator, everyone gets a pass. We won, period.
 
Just to clarify, Towles TD pass to Bone, which put us up 33-10, came with 3:47 to play in the 3rd quarter. From that point until there was 7:35 remaining in the game, which was the time remaining when ULL scored the 2nd 2-pt conversion, the defense was on the field for all but 4 plays during that span of 11 minutes and 12 seconds off the game clock. The defense broke down on the 56-yard run by Pierce on the drive following Bone's TD, and then Towles crapped the bed in each of our next 2 possessions, failing to move the ball at all.

Notice that 41+ minutes into the game, with 11:13 off the clock in the 3rd quarter, the Kentucky defense had only given up 10 points.
 
While that may be true, it completely ignores the fact that our defense allowed ULL to run 47 plays for 200 yards and get 14 first downs before half time. At least some of any defensive fatigue realized in the second half was a function of our defensive shortcomings. The three and outs certainly didn't help, but ULL mistakes kept them off the scoreboard in ther first half as much as the UK defense did.
 
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While that may be true, it completely ignores the fact that our defense allowed ULL to run 47 plays for 200 yards and get 14 first downs before half time. At least some of any defensive fatigue realized in the second half was a function of our defensive shortcomings. The three and outs certainly didn't help, but ULL mistakes kept them off the scoreboard in ther first half as much as the UK defense did.

This is true.

I'll also add that every team has bad offensive possessions. So if we go 3 and out, we should just say "Oh well" and expect the D to just let them score a TD everytime that happens? I get the fatigue argument, but the score was a bit misleading at halftime as well as you pointed out.

UK needs to improve a lot on both sides of the ball to potentially win next week at SC.
 
While that may be true, it completely ignores the fact that our defense allowed ULL to run 47 plays for 200 yards and get 14 first downs before half time. At least some of any defensive fatigue realized in the second half was a function of our defensive shortcomings. The three and outs certainly didn't help, but ULL mistakes kept them off the scoreboard in ther first half as much as the UK defense did.
Point F-ing blank, the defense is garbage and Stoops knows. Elliot is a deficient defensive coordinator and that has showed with talents like z and bud last year. Their is no ****ing excuse to get gashed by a damn Sunbelt team with the talent we have. We are looking at 5-7 at this point. What a GD dissapointment.
 
This is true.

I'll also add that every team has bad offensive possessions. So if we go 3 and out, we should just say "Oh well" and expect the D to just let them score a TD everytime that happens? I get the fatigue argument, but the score was a bit misleading at halftime as well as you pointed out.

UK needs to improve a lot on both sides of the ball to potentially win next week at SC.

Who said we should expect the defense to let them score any time after a 3 and out? That's not at all what I'm saying. What I'm saying is the offense can't curl up into a ball and expect the defense to keep making stops and getting turnovers. Both units have to help each other out.

We don't have a shutdown defense, we have an opportunistic defense. Meaning we won't be holding many opponents under 350 yards of offense, but we create turnovers (like Harmon's strip) and capitalize on mistakes. We have the play makers on offense to be explosive, but we don't have the players on the defensive side of the ball to ask them to win games for us when the offense can't. This team is built to win high-scoring games, not low-scoring games, and that leaves the lion's share of the pressure on the offense to perform.
 
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Towles put the D in bad situations the whole 2nd half. His failure to execute and the pic lead to The Defense living on field 2nd half. If no one can see that I dont know what else to say. He should of tbrown for over 500 yards that game with all the big play balls he missed. We should of hung another 3 TD'S on ULL easily.
 
Defense was pretty good on 1st and 2nd downs. Dreadful on 3rd downs. Towles had some great moments and poor moments but this game was not on him. We have to lean how to stop teams on defense. They ran way too many plays.
As a guy that has been in CWS more than most (I'm old) this is the story of every UK team. How many 3rd and longs have we seen converted in CWS against us?
 
Actually, ULL ran 6 more plays and possessed the ball 35 seconds longer in the first half. UKs defense was bad irrespective of Towles performance...which was, unfortunately, also poor.
 
Consider: We were up 24-7 at half. Bad Towles came out after halftime. We swapped TDs and FGs to hold a 33-17 lead. They'd just scored, and we ran the kickoff back to the 36. We went 3 and out, and missed the FG. The defense came right back on the field, gassed. They score, they convert, they kickoff, first play from scrimmage is a Towles INT. And the gassed defense goes right back out and gives up another TD and another conversion. That's more on Towles than it is on the defense. He has to be able to give them time to catch their breath, and tonight, he couldn't. We were very lucky to come away with a W.

The defense, as a whole (save for the DL) wasn't that bad until the time that PT became a liability to the team. Not only could he not lead us to scores, he couldn't even keep the offense on the field for more than 3 plays.

ULL is not a bad team. They're very well-coached and they can play with lower-end and even some decent power 5 conference teams, so the fact that the final score was close isn't really that shocking. We saw what this team can do in the first half when they weren't held back by their own QB. The problem is that more than half the games on our schedule this year would have been a loss with Towles playing the way he did after the half. He cost us several times last year. When the QB is playing like that, opponents can focus on shutting down the run because he can't make them pay.

I was concerned when he was named starter, but I do trust the staff. I can't imagine Barker is less dependable than Towles, and if he is, we're absolutely screwed. I hope they make the move from PT sooner than later. A player that inconsistent can't be trusted to make plays when you need them. Towles can not be allowed to hold the rest of the team back.

So you think Stoops and Dawson made a mistake? Honestly I love Drew but in the practices I saw Drew wasn't the QB that Towles was. Saying that, Towles did not have a good second half but Dawson didn't either, nor did our kicker. Plus the defense stopped protecting the outside edges, and the LBers didn't fill the gaps up the middle when they got tired. It was a team effort good and bad.
 
Only UK fans can have more threads about Towles as opposed to UK's joke of a defense in a game we score 40 points and give up 33 points.

Let that sink in...we scored 40 points and gave up 33...and we're wondering about Towles vs. Barker. Towles has his issues...but still threw for 257 yards, 3 tds and 1 int.

But QB is by far a lesser issue than about every spot on UK's front 7 on defense and 1 CB spot is still a grease fire...not to mention the man who in the D Coordinator looks like a total deer in headlights over there.

I have to tell you we totally shut down one of the best running backs in the country for 3 quarters. They only had 7 points at half time. Almost all of that offense they rung up was late 3rd to 4th quarter yardage. That happens to a think defense that has it's offense strand them out there for 80 freakin plays. The offense has to stay on the field if you wan the defensive stats to look good. We will give up 40 points with Alabama's players if we give the other team 80 plays to work with. The defense collapsed in the 4th quarter for obvious reasons. They looked decent prior to that given the circumstances. We actually had 3 probable starters not playing on a already thin unit. 33 to 7 with 5 minutes left in the 3rd isn't bad. That's just the point they hit their limit and the offense again didn't help them out by sustaining drives.
 
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Yeah lets go with Barker and be back where we were at the beginning of last season and go 5-7 again. You guys are some god damn morons.
 
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Any of you not blaming the lines on both sides of the ball justdon't understand football. No excuses for our line olay. We should dominate ulm in that aspect every time! I cnt understand how teams like western and ulm can dominate us in lineplay ever. Makes no fricken sense...and anybody defending the d has obviously no t watched real defenses play ever. Our d, besides stamps, harmon, meant looked like a division 2team. Very dissapointung!
 
The defense was missing three critical players, our best pass rusher, our best pass rushing DT, and our starting LB'er.
 
So you think Stoops and Dawson made a mistake? Honestly I love Drew but in the practices I saw Drew wasn't the QB that Towles was. Saying that, Towles did not have a good second half but Dawson didn't either, nor did our kicker. Plus the defense stopped protecting the outside edges, and the LBers didn't fill the gaps up the middle when they got tired. It was a team effort good and bad.

I don't know if they made a mistake or not. I know that last night Towles looked exactly like the inconsistent player that Neal Brown couldn't trust last year. I don't think Dawson had a bad 2nd half. Most of what he was calling was there, but PT couldn't execute.
 
O-Line stinks. Blame the QB.

D-Line is slow and fat. Blame the QB.

Head coach with a defensive background but seemingly uninterested in defense while here. Blame the QB.
 
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BigKari- Towles was a big reason why we were 5-7 last year, and he doesn't look any better this season. One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

How Blue...- I understand football quite well, thank you. I was an assistant coach for 5 years. Our pass protection was good for the most part last night. GAA had some struggles, but PT mostly had all day in the pocket. We don't have great run-blocking, I'll give you that, but remember, our offense is the air raid- pass blocking is their calling card. DL was poor, no doubt.
 
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Agree, I know there were 3 that would been TD.

The critical pick he threw should have been a 75 yard TD pass...his receiver was 5 yards behind the defense running right down the middle of the field with no safety help anywhere in sight. That should be an easy throw for an SEC QB. He was underthrowing guys by 5 yards all night. Very frustrating.
 
Im sure Stoops is a nice enough guy. We all probably would agree on that. He seems to be a good recruiter. As far as in game coaching. That he aint. Offense was terrible for a variety of reasons. Terrible blocking. Run schemes were head scratchers. Take Boom out of there (and he only carried for a dozen carries or so) and you arnt averaging 2 yards a carry. The real problem is Towles. Missed throw after throw after throw. Over threw or under threw all night. There is not a decent team out there that wouldn't try their #2 guy if nothing was getting done. I have no idea what Barker can do but I want to see for myself. We are year 3. We should be seeing massive improvement now. I saw nothing that reminded me that Towles has been there for what seems like a decade now.
 
There were times last night when I caught myself comparing Towles play to Morgan Newton.

Towles is obviously better, but yet there are flashes.
 
I'll stick with Towles, just 3-4 more completions and his stat line would look a lot better this morning. He did however have 3 TD pass against 1 pick.

The Cats gave up 247 on the ground and 232 through the air.

Adjustments need to be made I am not jumping ship where Towles is concerned going back to the Louisville game last year Kentucky has score 40 points in two straight. The Defense has got to make more stops and quit getting gashed 8-9 yards at a time on 1st down.
 
The long routes Towels hit on won't be available next week. And they weren't ghat great of throws anyway. He needs to learn to use the middle of the field
 
Say it with me.

"Patrick isn't a good qb."

He consistently is inaccurate. He has trouble going through progressions. For someone with a supposedly strong arm , he under throws receivers a lot.

Easy to see.
 
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