It's scheme, NOT lack of execution

[catben]

I am SOOOOOOOOO sick and tired of hearing our coaches say this after a loss!!!!


When you lose games because you lack a sufficient amount of points, it's the FREAKIN scheme!!!!

Then you add to the CRAPPY scheme, the fact that your team LACKS discipline and attention to DETAIL, then you get losses that should be wins!!

SAD

 

[The-Hack]

Call it either scheme or execution or assign relevant percentages for each, and it is the offenseive staff’s responsibility to scheme the offense into executing the offense.

There must be some coaching changes off-season.

Hell, Eddie Gran at his worst was better than this, and he got the boot and is
a close friend of Stoops. (And I know he is back in a diminished role).

 

[billoliver40]

Eddie doesn't look so bad now.

As far as the OP, it's both scheme AND lack of execution.

 

[catben]

Eddie doesn't look so bad now.

As far as the OP, it's both scheme AND lack of execution.

The scheme CAUSES the lack of execution!!!

So either way it's on the coaches!! This Scheme is HORRIBLE and every SEC Def Coord. has figured it out. When Vandy comes in and whips you, it's time to CHANGE the scheme!!

 

[jelvis]

It’s just so cool to watch real football. I don’t really care that we shit the bed against TN and needed a miracle to beat Mizzou, or that we lost to the worst SEC team in years, it’s just really good to watch real football. Levis is a God.

 

[gobigbluebell]

At some point if your offense can’t execute your scheme, well, you need a new scheme.

This was game #9 and nobody on our offense had a damn clue, including our #1 NFL QB prospect. This was against one of the worst defenses in the world.

The book was out on us early on, and we have done NOTHING to switch it up or adjust to our strengths vs what our opponents will do to us. Every D we play knows our offense better than we do.

 

[Rockfly78]

To put it in perspective, look how good Levis was last year. These young kids don’t tend to just get worse 9 months later.

He makes his share of mistakes. But he’s hurt, his line sucks, his receivers are youngl, and there doesn’t appear to be any attempt whatsoever to run a play where a TE may catch a pass god forbid. I’m m honestly shocked at his numbers. They are Shane boyd-esq. unbelievable. I just want to yell at everybody

 

[The-Hack]

I just want to yell at everybody

Hmmm.

Maybe do a Texas A & M yell practice, but the night after the game?

[And those poor Aggies actually have it worse than us.].

 

[megablue]

What scheme should we be running ??

 

[Jont0805]

As an earlier poster pointed out, 9 games in and every single one of them it’s execution’s fault?

seems like a middle school coach would have figured out by now that the players on this roster will not be able to execute this offense.

we have a top 5 draft pick qb, one of the best running backs uk has ever seen, great tight ends, high end talent at wr and none of them can execute This “scheme?”

imagine the roster Kentucky had 6 years ago or will have next year, we may go 0-12 and will they still say the same thing next year.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

To put it in perspective, look how good Levis was last year. These young kids don’t tend to just get worse 9 months later.

He makes his share of mistakes. But he’s hurt, his line sucks, his receivers are youngl, and there doesn’t appear to be any attempt whatsoever to run a play where a TE may catch a pass god forbid. I’m m honestly shocked at his numbers. They are Shane boyd-esq. unbelievable. I just want to yell at everybody

Levis wasn't even that good last year as a QB. He seemed amazing because he followed Terry Wilson and anyone was an upgrade.

Almost every amazing Levis moment from last year was him running the ball. Almost every one. The handful of others were throws to wandale where wandale did something amazing.

This year as a QB, he's much better (but still severely lacking) but the offense is called to specifically avoid having him run in preparation for the NFL. So a giant chunk of what made us successful last season is off the table for his draft status. Then his toe means we can't run any boot package which is another giant chunk.

When a QB drops back and stands there while receivers are open - that is not a scheme problem.

 

[BigBlueManSouthCentralKY]

Think about all the other games you watched yesterday. Think about the QB's for GA, LSU, MO, AL and on and on. Their QB's make a TON of plays either throwing, scrambling or running. Now think about ours in the second half. I can think of about three or four plays he made. Did you see MO's QB running all over TN? And none of these guys are worrying about getting hurt. I know ours is hurt some but the point is our offense is so predictable, with so few plays compared to other teams you watch and the the QB is so restricted, there is no wonder our offense has a reputation of being so boring and struggles to score many points.

 

[PhattyJ4UK]

It's 100% scheme and failure to see adjustments

Also failure to set up future plays.

Failure to see something that works and stick to it and build off it.

I've seen more innovation from some of the coaches in my son's 5th grade league.

It's embarrassing and I don't understand how any fan can be supporting this and making excuses for it.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Think about all the other games you watched yesterday. Think about the QB's for GA, LSU, MO, AL and on and on. Their QB's make a TON of plays either throwing, scrambling or running. Now think about ours in the second half. I can think of about three or four plays he made. Did you see MO's QB running all over TN? And none of these guys are worrying about getting hurt. I know ours is hurt some but the point is our offense is so predictable, with so few plays compared to other teams you watch and the the QB is so restricted, there is no wonder our offense has a reputation of being so boring and struggles to score many points.

Was with you till the last part. Protecting wills draft status was the collective plan all along. That was openly stated when scang was hired. He isn't being held back. That's what he and his family angled for and they got it.

I totally understand but at the same time it isn't fair to sacrifice the effectiveness of an entire unit for the draft status of one player.

 

[Bluegrass79]

The offensive coordinator was calling plays from the sideline and then two games ago he moved to the booth and nothing's changed. Time to go buddy.
You evidently can't coach against SEC defense. You got to have real skill calling plays.
Quite honestly it seems like you need a offensive minded head coach nowadays in the SEC.

 

[warrior_SW]

To put it in perspective, look how good Levis was last year. These young kids don’t tend to just get worse 9 months later.

He makes his share of mistakes. But he’s hurt, his line sucks, his receivers are youngl, and there doesn’t appear to be any attempt whatsoever to run a play where a TE may catch a pass god forbid. I’m m honestly shocked at his numbers. They are Shane boyd-esq. unbelievable. I just want to yell at everybody

Levis was not “that good” last year. I’m tired of this narrative. His yardage totals against P5 opponents:

179
102
87
145
192
150
372
149
233

He’s overrated as a UK QB based off potential. He’s actually not been that great here when you look at his numbers, which are worse than Senior Mike Hartline against P5s:

217
242
300
220
349
353
258
232
272

 

[jwphelps]

I am SOOOOOOOOO sick and tired of hearing our coaches say this after a loss!!!!


When you lose games because you lack a sufficient amount of points, it's the FREAKIN scheme!!!!

Then you add to the CRAPPY scheme, the fact that your team LACKS discipline and attention to DETAIL, then you get losses that should be wins!!

SAD

They are too predictable on offense

 

[megablue]

When CROD is consistently first-hit and often stopped behind the line, you have an OLINE that cannot block the guy on the other side of the line. We lack talent there. It's obvious ...

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Levis was not “that good” last year. I’m tired of this narrative. His yardage totals against P5 opponents:

179
102
87
145
192
150
372
149
233

He’s overrated as a UK QB based off potential. He’s actually not been that great here when you look at his numbers, which are worse than Senior Mike Hartline against P5s:

217
242
300
220
349
353
258
232
272

If this year's team had that Mike Hartline, we'd have 1 loss to this point. It's insane the amount of positive yards we leave on the field and the amount of negative plays caused by our QB.

 

[Doodah859]

To put it in perspective, look how good Levis was last year. These young kids don’t tend to just get worse 9 months later.

He makes his share of mistakes. But he’s hurt, his line sucks, his receivers are youngl, and there doesn’t appear to be any attempt whatsoever to run a play where a TE may catch a pass god forbid. I’m m honestly shocked at his numbers. They are Shane boyd-esq. unbelievable. I just want to yell at everybody

Go back and look at Levi's game by game numbers, alot of weeks he did not light the world on fire . He struggled quite a bit last year and is making same mistakes this year. I think people thought he was going to be second coming of Tim Couch. Difference this year he's really beat up

 

[1Catmantoo]

It’s both.

 

[NoDef]

Scang was terrible at Denver. The O-line coach accepted an assistant high school job four years ago before his connections bailed him out and got him a quality control job back in college. His last O-line job was at Kansas and they were 3-33 during his time there. Both he and Scang are journeyman coaches that pop back up somewhere after being fired.

With all that said, Stoops ball control offensive philosophy makes it very hard to put up good numbers. It does help the defense and that's probably why Stoops prefers it. Kids will not want to play offense here though. Lucky we had Coen for a year and got a few nice skill recruits.

 

[fredmanthecatfan]

We know our line is weak. So why not run more misdirection? Why run pass plays that call for Will to have to be in the pocket for more than a couple of seconds?

 

[gamecockcat]

I actually think it's both.

There are plenty of head scratching calls throughout every game. However, if you watch the breakdown analysis, there are just as many plays that the design is very good and either the OL doesn't block or Will doesn't find the right guy or the WR runs a sloppy route or some other execution flaw.

I don't understand how the team has not improved as the season has progressed. We were having problems on the OL picking up stunts and blitzes in the first game and we have yet to solve those problems. Yesterday, nearly every single time Vandy blitzed they got to Will. And we had no answer even when it was obvious that a blitz was coming and from where. That's scheme mainly but maybe it's also the inability of Will and the receivers to recognize what's happening and break off their routes.

It's both, imo. On some plays it's scheme and some it's execution. Unfortunately, on more plays than I'd like to admit, it's both bad design and abysmal execution.

 

[CrimsonCats]

We know our line is weak. So why not run more misdirection? Why run pass plays that call for Will to have to be in the pocket for more than a couple of seconds?

This is what confuses me the most about our play calling this year. It seems like we only call either shots downfield on a 5-7 step drop or bubble screens with absolutely nothing in between. The quick developing slants, hitches, and crossing routes that you see practically every other team in the country run with some regularity are nowhere to be found even though using some of those concepts should in theory help somewhat mitigate our lack of consistent pass protection. I just don’t get it.

 

[IFerg1969]

I am SOOOOOOOOO sick and tired of hearing our coaches say this after a loss!!!!


When you lose games because you lack a sufficient amount of points, it's the FREAKIN scheme!!!!

Then you add to the CRAPPY scheme, the fact that your team LACKS discipline and attention to DETAIL, then you get losses that should be wins!!

SAD

Stoops could hire "Jesus Christ, Offensive Coordinator" and still have a terrible offense because he won't "let him do his thing". Instead, he would bring him in and give him a tiny box to operate from. Anything that doesn't fall in line with Stoops conservative, clock-eating, defensive-oriented approach gets abandoned immediately. Whatever is left is what you see Scangarello running. It is scheme but it's not just that, it's Stoops philosophy as well. That's the problem. Until that changes, expect more of the same regardless of who the OC is.

 

[catben]

Stoops could hire "Jesus Christ, Offensive Coordinator" and still have a terrible offense because he won't "let him do his thing". Instead, he would bring him in and give him a tiny box to operate from. Anything that doesn't fall in line with Stoops conservative, clock-eating, defensive-oriented approach gets abandoned immediately. Whatever is left is what you see Scangarello running. It is scheme but it's not just that, it's Stoops philosophy as well. That's the problem. Until that changes, expect more of the same regardless of who the OC is.

This actually is "SCHEME". Coach Stoops is dictating the scheme that Scang is running, but it is SOOOOOO much more horrible than what either of the last 2 OC's were running that even though we have more weapons, we still can't score.

That is MORE due to Stoops AND Scang's "scheme" than how our players "execute" it.

You are proving my point. I just get sick of hearing that our inability to score more is from a "Lack of execution" when it is the "Scheme" itself.

 

[BigBlueManSouthCentralKY]

Was with you till the last part. Protecting wills draft status was the collective plan all along. That was openly stated when scang was hired. He isn't being held back. That's what he and his family angled for and they got it.

I totally understand but at the same time it isn't fair to sacrifice the effectiveness of an entire unit for the draft status of one player.

Would love to know that for sure. If true, he must be on of the very few if any QB's with a deal like that because all the ones I watch are obviously playing to win at all costs. When you are talking about 85 on the roster and a whole fan base, that would be a sorry thing to do to a lot of people that play for, follow and support this program. If your assistants can't recruit enough 4 and 5 star players and have to make a deal like that then Stoops needs to get an OC that can recruit those and coach them up or continue to change them till he finds the right one. Being held hostage by a recruit should not be if the recruiting is what it needs to be.

 

[yes_takeaside]

Stoops could hire "Jesus Christ, Offensive Coordinator" and still have a terrible offense because he won't "let him do his thing". Instead, he would bring him in and give him a tiny box to operate from. Anything that doesn't fall in line with Stoops conservative, clock-eating, defensive-oriented approach gets abandoned immediately. Whatever is left is what you see Scangarello running. It is scheme but it's not just that, it's Stoops philosophy as well. That's the problem. Until that changes, expect more of the same regardless of who the OC is.

While this is true in principle, it’s still obvious that Scang is an abysmal failure

 

[Soupbean]

Call it either scheme or execution or assign relevant percentages for each, and it is the offenseive staff’s responsibility to scheme the offense into executing the offense.

There must be some coaching changes off-season.

Hell, Eddie Gran at his worst was better than this, and he got the boot and is
a close friend of Stoops. (And I know he is back in a diminished role).

Yep it’s clearly a combination of both and both fall under the staff to get right.

No question a weak line makes it harder to execute but that’s when a good coach steps up to scheme around it.

But for some reason we still stubbornly tried to base our offensive attack on a pocket based, slow developing progression based passing attack.
The only real adjustment was to throw more flanker screens for a yard or two, not slip guys behind the rushing LBs or attack with back shoulder throws to our talented wideouts to make plays without having to wait to for them to “get open” enough to let it go.

 

[IFerg1969]

This actually is "SCHEME". Coach Stoops is dictating the scheme that Scang is running, but it is SOOOOOO much more horrible than what either of the last 2 OC's were running that even though we have more weapons, we still can't score.

That is MORE due to Stoops AND Scang's "scheme" than how our players "execute" it.

You are proving my point. I just get sick of hearing that our inability to score more is from a "Lack of execution" when it is the "Scheme" itself.

I think we were kind of agreeing there. I was just adding that it's Stoops and what he wants. It doesn't matter who the OC is or what "scheme" they run. Stoops is going to tailor it to his coaching philosophy. I agree that it is "scheme". But we could have the greatest scheme in the universe and it won't matter if Stoops keeps handcuffing his OC with his old school mentality about the way the game should be played. It's old school philosophy hamstringing a poor scheme with bad execution. Like everyone else has been saying, "total system failure!"

 

[IFerg1969]

While this is true in principle, it’s still obvious that Scang is an abysmal failure

I don't disagree at all. But, for curiosity's sake, I'd like to see what he could do with last year's OL and a healthy Levis. I have to feel he would be at least a little better, though probably still not in Coen's class.

 

[brian.mikeson]

Stoops—like Saban pre-Kiffin/Sarkisian—believes the right offensive approach for his version of “complementary football” is MOVE THE CHAINS.

The rest of the college football world has moved to the concept of designing an offense that brings about EXPLOSIVE PLAYS (15yds or more).

Stoops’s way requires a lot of more plays per drive. The more plays run, the greater the chance for an error. One play that doesn’t gain enough (4yds on 1st, 1/2 of what’s needed on 2nd, all of what’s needed on 3rd) gets you ‘off-schedule’ & you have to call a play to make up for the lost ydg—probably a play that’s NOT your “bread-and-butter.”

For this to work, must have great OL & at least above avg RB. Can get by with average QB & WRs since Defenses have to sell out to stop run—so when having to throw, LBs aren’t in great pass drop position.

 

[sluggercatfan]

I think we were kind of agreeing there. I was just adding that it's Stoops and what he wants. It doesn't matter who the OC is or what "scheme" they run. Stoops is going to tailor it to his coaching philosophy. I agree that it is "scheme". But we could have the greatest scheme in the universe and it won't matter if Stoops keeps handcuffing his OC with his old school mentality about the way the game should be played. It's old school philosophy hamstringing a poor scheme with bad execution. Like everyone else has been saying, "total system failure!"

Spot on...don't know how more times/ways he has to tell folks before they get it.

 

[K_TIME]

Levis wasn't even that good last year as a QB. He seemed amazing because he followed Terry Wilson and anyone was an upgrade.

Almost every amazing Levis moment from last year was him running the ball. Almost every one. The handful of others were throws to wandale where wandale did something amazing.

This year as a QB, he's much better (but still severely lacking) but the offense is called to specifically avoid having him run in preparation for the NFL. So a giant chunk of what made us successful last season is off the table for his draft status. Then his toe means we can't run any boot package which is another giant chunk.

When a QB drops back and stands there while receivers are open - that is not a scheme problem.

Geez. Now we’re calling Levi’s not that great?

2900 yards 24 td 13 ints wjtb 400 rush yards and 9 TDs kn 66% completion percentage. That ain’t shabby at all dude. And his numbers the last half of season were a ton better

J get there is blame all around but the offense staff has a job to coach what they have and this was as shit job as I’ve seen at UK since JLO last season

 

[Crums Bald Spot]

The thing is, Stoops offenses have been largely ineffective his entire tenure and it is ooking more like he got lucky with Coen vs targeted a great hire.

The common denominator is Stoops. Offense and special teams will always struggle here the majority of the time while he's in charge. It's just his nature.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Geez. Now we’re calling Levi’s not that great?

2900 yards 24 td 13 ints wjtb 400 rush yards and 9 TDs kn 66% completion percentage. That ain’t shabby at all dude. And his numbers the last half of season were a ton better

J get there is blame all around but the offense staff has a job to coach what they have and this was as shit job as I’ve seen at UK since JLO last season

He is a mediocre college qb. If he made the right read even half the time, he'd easily be one of the most prolific qbs in the country.

Week in, week out I talk about it and show a multitude of examples. I thought UT was his worst game but this is even worse.

Will is an awesome competitor with endless physical ability and tons of potential. He's just a mediocre college qb. Not only is he not the best QB in the sec, he is in competition for the worst.

 

[K_TIME]

He is a mediocre college qb. If he made the right read even half the time, he'd easily be one of the most prolific qbs in the country.

Week in, week out I talk about it and show a multitude of examples. I thought UT was his worst game but this is even worse.

Will is an awesome competitor with endless physical ability and tons of potential. He's just a mediocre college qb. Not only is he not the best QB in the sec, he is in competition for the worst.

So why did read things a ton better just a season ago?

 

[Cawood86]

He is a mediocre college qb. If he made the right read even half the time, he'd easily be one of the most prolific qbs in the country.

Week in, week out I talk about it and show a multitude of examples. I thought UT was his worst game but this is even worse.

Will is an awesome competitor with endless physical ability and tons of potential. He's just a mediocre college qb. Not only is he not the best QB in the sec, he is in competition for the worst.

He is not equal to the hype at all. Very low pocket presence. Slow progressions during pass plays.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

So why did read things a ton better just a season ago?

He didn't at all. It was one read (wandale) and run. Almost all of his spectacular plays came running the ball.

This year he's a more complete QB, which is why he shot up draft boards as high as #1. Unfortunately it's much to the detriment of the offense because he was much more productive last year when it was one read and run.

One thing that is out of his control is turf toe which takes the boot packages out of our playbook. That's a huge part of his production and he physically can't do it now