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Interesting comments from Coach Marrow today

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Reference the class of '16, he said UK is going to really hit Kentucky, Ohio (he said the Buckeye is loaded with talent next year), and the DC area pretty hard. He also mentioned Florida. Made a comment about getting back into Georgia too.

The Cats already have seven verbals for next year. Four are Kentucky kids!

GBB!!!
 
Need to really keep the verbals connected to the program. We don't need a bunch of decommits next year just before signing day. Need also to find a "leader" in the 2016 class that can pull them together and motivate them and form some emotional connections.
 
^ I believe Drake Jackson will fill the role of recruiting class leader just fine.
This post was edited on 2/4 5:30 PM by ukalum1988
 
Drake Jackson is a charismatic kid that is considered elite. He'll be the Barker of the '16 class.
 
Reference the de-commit epidemic, there appears to be at least a decent chance that we'll have an early signing period pretty soon, possibly as soon as next year. Some like August (I think that's what most ACC schools prefer, IIRC). Stoops mentioned December today.

GBB!!!
 
Originally posted by dyersburgcatfan:

Need to really keep the verbals connected to the program. We don't need a bunch of decommits next year just before signing day. Need also to find a "leader" in the 2016 class that can pull them together and motivate them and form some emotional connections.
Drake has seemingly taken the reigns of that role. The group has been very active with top recruits in social media. Should be a big plus.
 
It's easy to make those simplistic comments about how to avoid decommits. Surely you realize that if you chase after two stars you won't have many decommits. Is that really what you want these coaches to do. When you chase the commits that the big boys are after which are the best players you will have this happen. This year was just unusual. If you recruit Ohio, then OSU will get some of them to flip later when OSU's plan A recruits don't commit. Our plan A may in many cases be their plan B. But their plan B may also be Michigan, MSU, Pitt, WVU and IU's plan A recruits too.
 
Originally posted by Vonburns1:
It's easy to make those simplistic comments about how to avoid decommits. Surely you realize that if you chase after two stars you won't have many decommits. Is that really what you want these coaches to do. When you chase the commits that the big boys are after which are the best players you will have this happen. This year was just unusual. If you recruit Ohio, then OSU will get some of them to flip later when OSU's plan A recruits don't commit. Our plan A may in many cases be their plan B. But their plan B may also be Michigan, MSU, Pitt, WVU and IU's plan A recruits too.
You will also have a lot more de-commits when your staff can spot recruits that later blow up so all the biggies that have been pushing football for decades start noticing them. Kelly was a two star when he committed to us IIRC, our only decommit last year, that blew up to a four star I believe so every power wanted him, the recent NC and playoff finalist finally got him. I'm really glad we got some of the 5.5s and lower we added too late in the process to lose them this year.

Hard to believe the Allen story, sure a fast offer and commit, wasn't it? I am really excited about all of our lower rated commits as well as some that a lot of big programs wanted.

Our 16 class is off to a great start, four outstanding in state players very unlikely to defect and a good season will add a lot more.
 
Originally posted by Rhavicc:
Originally posted by dyersburgcatfan:

Need to really keep the verbals connected to the program. We don't need a bunch of decommits next year just before signing day. Need also to find a "leader" in the 2016 class that can pull them together and motivate them and form some emotional connections.
Drake has seemingly taken the reigns of that role. The group has been very active with top recruits in social media. Should be a big plus.


Twitter Account for the '16 Class
 
Originally posted by jauk11:

Originally posted by Vonburns1:
It's easy to make those simplistic comments about how to avoid decommits. Surely you realize that if you chase after two stars you won't have many decommits. Is that really what you want these coaches to do. When you chase the commits that the big boys are after which are the best players you will have this happen. This year was just unusual. If you recruit Ohio, then OSU will get some of them to flip later when OSU's plan A recruits don't commit. Our plan A may in many cases be their plan B. But their plan B may also be Michigan, MSU, Pitt, WVU and IU's plan A recruits too.
You will also have a lot more de-commits when your staff can spot recruits that later blow up so all the biggies that have been pushing football for decades start noticing them. Kelly was a two star when he committed to us IIRC, our only decommit last year, that blew up to a four star I believe so every power wanted him, the recent NC and playoff finalist finally got him. I'm really glad we got some of the 5.5s and lower we added too late in the process to lose them this year.

Hard to believe the Allen story, sure a fast offer and commit, wasn't it? I am really excited about all of our lower rated commits as well as some that a lot of big programs wanted.

Our 16 class is off to a great start, four outstanding in state players very unlikely to defect and a good season will add a lot more.
The Colburn kid from South Carolina, his coach said it best. I tell my players when they commit they are committed so don't do it until you are sure. He expects the same from the coaches that recruits his players which is why saint bobby has been banned from his school. If that was the mentality of recruiting period then this merry go round nonsense would not even be happening.

If I were a coach and a player gave me his verbal, the offer would be pulled the moment he took another visit and he would know that ahead of time before giving me his commitment.
 
It is weird how different basketball and football recruiting is regarding verbals. For the most part, when a kid commits to a school in bball coaches honor that.

And I don't think this is an anomaly but will continue to get worse as soon as the full cost of attendance rules are in place. I'm assuming it won't be the same for every school so a school could come in late and say hey look at how much you'll get by coming here. I dunno, but an early signing sounds like a good idea. Won't completely stop the poaching but it can level the playing field a little bit.
 
Until the NCAA does something to prevent "fllipping", which I'm sure they will do just as soon as they straighten out UNCheat, the dirtier programs will continue to go after players who have committed.
 
Originally posted by Darkcide:
Until the NCAA does something to prevent "fllipping", which I'm sure they will do just as soon as they straighten out UNCheat, the dirtier programs will continue to go after players who have committed.
I'm not aware of ANY school that doesn't recruit kids who are committed to another school. It's not just the "dirtier" programs.
 
Originally posted by UKErik:
Reference the de-commit epidemic, there appears to be at least a decent chance that we'll have an early signing period pretty soon, possibly as soon as next year. Some like August (I think that's what most ACC schools prefer, IIRC). Stoops mentioned December today.

GBB!!!
I think August would be awful. You saw how coaches were scrambling the last 10 days before signing day, spending all day and even days on the road trying to secure a kid or in many cases trying to hold on to a kid. When are they going to have time to prepare for the season opener? Dec would be another time, but what about the teams preparing for a bowl game? Or if you are in the playoff, that is about half of the teams.

On top of all of that, many if not most of the top kids won't sign early, once they sign that LOI, their power is gone, their name is out of the news, but coaches have gone balls to the wall to get them to sign if you are leading and multiple coaches have gone just as hard hoping they don't. Then its rinse and repeat for the traditional signing day. Do you sign most of your class early, bypassing the chance of getting the guy you really want by filling his position, or do you leave him a spot and he goes elsewhere and you have to settle for a lesser kid than you could have signed in the early period? Before this year I would say if it ain't broke don't fix it, but after this one and all the decommit/flips that took place something is definitely broke. I am just not sure an early signing period is the answer, but it is an option.
 
Originally posted by kyhusker2:
Originally posted by Darkcide:
Until the NCAA does something to prevent "fllipping", which I'm sure they will do just as soon as they straighten out UNCheat, the dirtier programs will continue to go after players who have committed.
I'm not aware of ANY school that doesn't recruit kids who are committed to another school. It's not just the "dirtier" programs.
No doubt about it, we do too, UK had a bunch of guys in on visits last season & in January who were committed elsewhere

It is just bizarre how this is common accepted practice for this sport, but then you get to college basketball and it has seemingly none of these flips, none of the same pursuit of committed players by other schools.
 
Originally posted by JHB4UK:
Originally posted by kyhusker2:
Originally posted by Darkcide:
Until the NCAA does something to prevent "fllipping", which I'm sure they will do just as soon as they straighten out UNCheat, the dirtier programs will continue to go after players who have committed.
I'm not aware of ANY school that doesn't recruit kids who are committed to another school. It's not just the "dirtier" programs.
No doubt about it, we do too, UK had a bunch of guys in on visits last season & in January who were committed elsewhere

It is just bizarre how this is common accepted practice for this sport, but then you get to college basketball and it has seemingly none of these flips, none of the same pursuit of committed players by other schools.
The difference is other than UK and probably Vandy and UF, basketball doesnt do much to play the bills as for as revenue producing at the other SEC schools. In fact I would be surprised if both basketball programs don't have to be supplemented at UGA. Gymnastics, before the coach retired drew more than basketball normally did at UGA. Since Harrick, basketball was told to do the following, dont' do anything remotely considered illegal, graduate the kids, win as many as you can, but don't you dare cause an NCAA investigation.
 
Originally posted by kyhusker2:
Originally posted by Darkcide:
Until the NCAA does something to prevent "fllipping", which I'm sure they will do just as soon as they straighten out UNCheat, the dirtier programs will continue to go after players who have committed.
I'm not aware of ANY school that doesn't recruit kids who are committed to another school. It's not just the "dirtier" programs.
it's like your girlfriend getting hit on by other guys. sure it happens, but you'd like to think that she'll brush it off, if she's the right girl for you.
 
Originally posted by kyhusker2:
Originally posted by Darkcide:
Until the NCAA does something to prevent "fllipping", which I'm sure they will do just as soon as they straighten out UNCheat, the dirtier programs will continue to go after players who have committed.
I'm not aware of ANY school that doesn't recruit kids who are committed to another school. It's not just the "dirtier" programs.
Hmmm... yeah. I guess we our coaching staff is just a bunch of dirty scoundrels. This is how the game is played, if you are in the game to win. Period.
 
Originally posted by Darkcide:
Until the NCAA does something to prevent "fllipping", which I'm sure they will do just as soon as they straighten out UNCheat, the dirtier programs will continue to go after players who have committed.
Wow!!!...So you "really" think the ncaa thinks there is something that needs to be straightened out at unc
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...You are going to be really be disappointed when all the smoke clears!!!!
 
Grumpy, I think UK women's basketball lost about 2.5 million four or five years ago, but have read about capacity crowds several times since then, so that has probably improved a lot. But I still contend that same money invested in football at that time (the money cow) would have returned a MUCH bigger profit------but NOTHING extra was invested in UK football for a decade------several decades before that also. UK has really been shortsighted about football, and our basketball program does generate a ton more money than most SEC programs, even harder to understand why we couldn't do anything for football for so long.

Watched the UK-USC women's game a couple week ago and they had a capacity crowd for that game, guess being #1 will do that for a program.

As far as the December interfering with the bowl teams recruiting if that was the early signing period, it would serve all you dirty cheaters right.

Oh wait a minute, UK is going bowling this year, forget what I said.
 
Originally posted by dyersburgcatfan:

Need to really keep the verbals connected to the program. We don't need a bunch of decommits next year just before signing day. Need also to find a "leader" in the 2016 class that can pull them together and motivate them and form some emotional connections.
How do you do that, exactly? People are free to change their minds.
 
Well Grumpyolddawg, I guess they could have the early signing period the week before fall practice starts. Not to mention, I think 3-4 weeks is plenty of time to prep for the season opener.

I think you could probably make an argument against any time they might pick. Can't do it during the season. Would you want to do it in early-December (when some teams are playing for conference championships)? Maybe mid-December (when high school kids are wrapping up academic semesters)? Maybe late-December (when kids are on break and most teams are prepping for a bowl game?

I have no idea what the ideal time would be. The week before fall drills makes some sense though.

GBB!!!
 
There shouldn't be a certain time, but a kid should be able to sign anytime after Jan. 1rst, or sooner, up until the national signing day in Feb.... That way, there should be no one complaining.......No one could say the rule is for the traditional teams.....

Let the ones that want to sign, sign, and those that want to wait, let them wait... This would cut down on a lot of poaching, because teams are too busy recruiting for themselves, instead of taking the time to judge those recruits that they want to poach.... They couldn't poach, because they might make a big mistake letting one of their own kids get away....

I think UK would have signed some of the kids that we lost late, if that rule was in place this year.... We could have gotten some players to sign on the line, or have longer to begin a search for another player... It only makes since, that's why it won't happen...

Those kids that want to wait, will be the higher ranked kids, who want to watch the big boys fight over them.....

This would be the best rule to put in college football, if they truly want to equalize the talent in college football....If they want the status quo, same-Ole, same-Ole, then let it go....
 
Originally posted by GomezH2O:

Drake Jackson is a charismatic kid that is considered elite. He'll be the Barker of the '16 class.
Let's hope he is more mature when he gets here.
 
Originally posted by UKErik:
Well Grumpyolddawg, I guess they could have the early signing period the week before fall practice starts. Not to mention, I think 3-4 weeks is plenty of time to prep for the season opener.

I think you could probably make an argument against any time they might pick. Can't do it during the season. Would you want to do it in early-December (when some teams are playing for conference championships)? Maybe mid-December (when high school kids are wrapping up academic semesters)? Maybe late-December (when kids are on break and most teams are prepping for a bowl game?

I have no idea what the ideal time would be. The week before fall drills makes some sense though.

GBB!!!
Only if the date for official visits is moved back. Right now, you can't have an official visit until Sept. 1, I think.
 
Originally posted by UKErik:
Reference the de-commit epidemic, there appears to be at least a decent chance that we'll have an early signing period pretty soon, possibly as soon as next year. Some like August (I think that's what most ACC schools prefer, IIRC). Stoops mentioned December today.

GBB!!!
I agree with Stoops on December. August means you are locking guys in before they ever play a down in their senior season. December gives the staff a chance to catch their breath after the season ends. Do their due diligence, have their visits and in-homes etc. and make some good choices. You could also say the same thing from the recruits perspective. December gives him a chance to see the team play the entire season, get his own season out of the way and make some final decisions.




This post was edited on 2/6 10:09 AM by Deeeefense
 
IMO the best time for an early signing period would be early December after the regular season was finished. IMO there is no perfect time. This would only inconvenience those teams playing in the conference championship games and since those teams already have a huge advantage it should not be much of a problem. It would probably help them because they would be getting TV exposure and most other teams would not be getting any TV exposure.
 
Originally posted by BBBLazing:


Originally posted by GomezH2O:

Drake Jackson is a charismatic kid that is considered elite. He'll be the Barker of the '16 class.
Let's hope he is more mature when he gets here.
Interesting trend with your posts.

Don't you have some criticisms for the rest of our early commits?
 
Originally posted by Darkcide:
Until the NCAA does something to prevent "fllipping", which I'm sure they will do just as soon as they straighten out UNCheat, the dirtier programs will continue to go after players who have committed.
People are overreacting this week. A verbal commitment is not an enforceable contract. End of story. The NCAA might create an early signing period, but the NCAA cannot stop someone from changing his mind. Freedom of choice. Kentucky fans thought it was great when Terrance Jones, Marcus Teague, and Trey Lyles flipped to Calipari, and when Marcus McWilson, Jason Hatcher, Josh Krok, Lloyd Tubman, Eli Brown, and Chris Westry flipped to Stoops. Everyone wanted Josh Smith to flip from Vandy to Kentucky. Sauce for the goose.
 
Originally posted by BBBLazing:

Originally posted by GomezH2O:

Drake Jackson is a charismatic kid that is considered elite. He'll be the Barker of the '16 class.
Let's hope he is more mature when he gets here.
I know the rumors have folks labeling him like you have but when the truth comes out, I think you will be happy to know that he wasn't the bad guy in all of the Richmond incidents. And if nobody growing up never found yourself in what you thought was a very innocent situation that went sour (air gun incident), then you are lucky. Drew is a great kid and leader and sometime in the near future I think he will show all of us how good of a kid he is.
 
Originally posted by Poetax:
Originally posted by BBBLazing:
Originally posted by GomezH2O:

Drake Jackson is a charismatic kid that is considered elite. He'll be the Barker of the '16 class.
Let's hope he is more mature when he gets here.
I know the rumors have folks labeling him like you have but when the truth comes out, I think you will be happy to know that he wasn't the bad guy in all of the Richmond incidents. And if nobody growing up never found yourself in what you thought was a very innocent situation that went sour (air gun incident), then you are lucky. Drew is a great kid and leader and sometime in the near future I think he will show all of us how good of a kid he is.
That's right. Barker's attention needs to be on preparing to compete for the quarterback job in spring practice. Stoops will give him that chance. Barker hasn't done anything to take himself out of it. The air gun incident was unfortunate, but that is old news and Barker served his brief suspension. Over. If Barker had been an instigator in Richmond, he would have been detained. He was not. The more info that comes out, the less the Kentucky players appear to have caused the problem. I don't know whether Barker can beat out Towles, but that can't be answered until April. Many players and recruits at many schools take on vocal leadership roles. If Barker or Jackson takes on such a role at Kentucky, good. I hope Jackson is allowed to carve out his own identity. No comparisons are necessary. Jackson has a chance to become a unique player for us.
 
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