Impact of NIL on Gap Between Group of 5 & Power 4 Conferences

[vhcat70]

Shouldn't be surprising, but WSJ article shows how top players in G5 frequently moving to P4 school exacerbates the quality gap between the two.

"The Wall Street Journal reviewed the 2023 first-team all-conference selections for the five smaller leagues that compete the top tier of Division I. These conferences are the American Athletic, Conference USA, the Mid-American, the Mountain West and the Sun Belt, known collectively as the “Group of Five.”

The impact of the transfer portal is striking: After eliminating those who graduated or departed for the NFL, a whopping 40% of the remaining players with all-conference honors switched to another program. The vast majority of them bolted to a team in the Power Four (the Atlantic Coast, Big 12, Big Ten and Southeastern conferences). Even when adding second- and third-team all-conference picks, 36% wound up transferring.

The data shows the extent to which the balance of power has shifted in college football. The smaller conferences have always had a disadvantage compared with their larger peers. Now, they have effectively become a farm system—developing talented players only to lose them to their wealthier competitors. Competing against the likes of Alabama and Michigan was always hard, even before those juggernauts could just snatch up players like books in the campus library.

“Some of those leagues,” former Texas A&M coach Jimbo Fisher said in a radio interview earlier this year, “they’re becoming glorified junior colleges.”"

https://www.wsj.com/sports/football/college-transfers-power-five-conferences-aee82375?mod=sports_lead_pos2

 

[bballcat4]

I think this trend started with the new transfer rules when players no longer had to sit out a year. NIL just sped up the process by adding $ to the process.

I remember hearing Saban talk about how the new transfer rule would hurt small schools.

I’m happy that players get to experience the American Dream where success is rewarded with opportunity. Ray Davis went from small school to Vandy, to Uk, then to NFL. There’s no doubt the smaller schools and conferences are the new minor league where larger schools will poach their best talent.

 

[K_TIME]

For sure this makes total sense.

1. For UK....we have QB depth for first time every. Largely due to buying off Wimsatt, Beau Allen,etc.. who would never come to UK with a younger QB ahead of them on depth chart...but NIL $$$ changes what motivates you. And I think just about every SEC school has better depth across the board.
2. For college as a whole.....this has to be a disaster. I have long predicted football programs will be closing shop in smaller schools. Why follow schools if you are a fan at places like Tennessee Chattanooga, Western Ky, UAB, etc...heck even Central Michigan, Toledo, etc...why have a team if you're a farm team for your better players jumping to P5.

I still have no idea why football allows this free agency nonsense every year. (even bigger school coaches don't like this concept). So this could go down the path of MLB...big markets get all the talent and smaller markets can't keep their own talent. And as fans get tired of this stuff.....more and more followers will just not even follow and then the money is gone and the pool keeps getting smaller and smaller of fans that follow the sport.

 

[PersianCat387]

For sure this makes total sense.

1. For UK....we have QB depth for first time every. Largely due to buying off Wimsatt, Beau Allen,etc.. who would never come to UK with a younger QB ahead of them on depth chart...but NIL $$$ changes what motivates you. And I think just about every SEC school has better depth across the board.
2. For college as a whole.....this has to be a disaster. I have long predicted football programs will be closing shop in smaller schools. Why follow schools if you are a fan at places like Tennessee Chattanooga, Western Ky, UAB, etc...heck even Central Michigan, Toledo, etc...why have a team if you're a farm team for your better players jumping to P5.

I still have no idea why football allows this free agency nonsense every year. (even bigger school coaches don't like this concept). So this could go down the path of MLB...big markets get all the talent and smaller markets can't keep their own talent. And as fans get tired of this stuff.....more and more followers will just not even follow and then the money is gone and the pool keeps getting smaller and smaller of fans that follow the sport.

While I also dislike it, what I worry about it that this is the model EVERYWHERE, for just about every major profitable sport in the entire world except for the US. Most obvious in international football/soccer, but played out to a lesser extent with other sports. Athletes are able to realize their value very effectively in almost every other sport's globalized farm system. So that pressure to be the same will always be there. I love the old college football of course and hate almost everything about the new system, but I think the fact that it is played out this way almost every where else means that it is probably inevitable here. I guess the one positive we could try to find is that most of those global sports with multiple tiers and farm systems, etc have not died out, they have found a way to maintain their fanbases and markets, it is just a matter of adjusting.

I love college sports but it really is something unique to the US for the most part. Sports at colleges are restricted to clubs for the most part in other countries, with some of the more serious athletes who are in school being focused on the olympic sports rather than team ones. All those guys are in the club and farm systems instead.

 

[The-Hack]

The article does not lie . . . and any MAC or G5 program that visits Kroger should realize their younger players are auditioning for a transfer to Kentucky.

Just the way it is, and frankly, allowing the Top notch G5 players a shot to move up creates a slot for another player at the G5 level. Hardly a catastrophe, and actually a reflection of how free market economics and actual “freedom” is supposed to work.

 

[gamalielkid]

While I also dislike it, what I worry about it that this is the model EVERYWHERE, for just about every major profitable sport in the entire world except for the US. Most obvious in international football/soccer, but played out to a lesser extent with other sports. Athletes are able to realize their value very effectively in almost every other sport's globalized farm system. So that pressure to be the same will always be there. I love the old college football of course and hate almost everything about the new system, but I think the fact that it is played out this way almost every where else means that it is probably inevitable here. I guess the one positive we could try to find is that most of those global sports with multiple tiers and farm systems, etc have not died out, they have found a way to maintain their fanbases and markets, it is just a matter of adjusting.

I love college sports but it really is something unique to the US for the most part. Sports at colleges are restricted to clubs for the most part in other countries, with some of the more serious athletes who are in school being focused on the olympic sports rather than team ones. All those guys are in the club and farm systems instead.

College Football, as all of us now know, is or soon will be about the power 4 conferences. The playoffs will soon be 16 teams- -bd will more than likely be made up of between 64 and 80 teams. It will or has become to “true” professional football what triple A and minor league baseball is to the majors. As crazy as it seems - I wouldn’t be surprised to see colleges become affiliated with professional teams and partially sponsored by them.

Whether you or I like it or not - college football of the last 100 years is truly no more. We will end up embracing it - but will we really commit to it like the past? I think it will drive more fans to the NFL in the long run. College alumni and residents of the location will be the fans of the program and less emphasis on college football will be the final outcome in my opinion. I am an old dinosaur and will not be around to see if I am correct or not. We all have to remember the sport has been changing dramatically for decades - this is just something off the wall to us dinosaurs!

Go Big Blue!

 

[TM2013]

And P5 players who get no PT drop down to G5. Same number of kids getting a scholarship to play college football. Who cares if Old Dominion goes 6-6 instead of 7-5? I certainly don't and can't imagine caring at all.

 

[bthaunert]

IMO, it's going to be similar to 1978 when NCAA football went from Division I to Division I-A (FBS) and Division I-AA (FCS) creating a massive split. Within 4 years of that rule being established, about 50 schools went from Division I to Division I-AA.

 

[vhcat70]

The article does not lie . . . and any MAC or G5 program that visits Kroger should realize their younger players are auditioning for a transfer to Kentucky.

Just the way it is, and frankly, allowing the Top notch G5 players a shot to move up creates a slot for another player at the G5 level. Hardly a catastrophe, and actually a reflection of how free market economics and actual “freedom” is supposed to work.

It does make a P4 school losing to a G5 or lower school ever/even more embarrassing to a program.

 

[The-Hack]

1. For UK....we have QB depth for first time every. Largely due to buying off Wimsatt, Beau Allen,etc.. who would never come to UK with a younger QB ahead of them on depth chart

Yeah, we have QB depth, but (more??) than half of our O-line is/are transfers.

We are fortunate in our SEC location. Our NIL may trail many, but we have not been hurting for quality transfers.

If I were Stoops, I would quietly assign an assistant to MAC schools, alone. Watch every game, by film, YouTube, etc.

Talking players to come a couple hundred miles South for a little pocket change is likelier easier than getting them to move East/West, or up from the Deep South.

We have proximity and the SEC brand, unlike any other SEC program. We need to (and with Stoops/Marrow have been).

 

[The-Hack]

I think it will drive more fans to the NFL in the long run. College alumni and residents of the location will be the fans of the program and less emphasis on college football will be the final outcome in my opinion. I am an old dinosaur and will not be around to see if I am correct or not.

I am 61 and getting to be the old dinosaur, but let’s look at the whole picture.

Will Levis, Wandale Robinson, Dare Rosenthal and Jaquez Jones all came to us in 2021, actually just over three years ago, each using the immediate transfer portal and NIL as some part of their decision to transfer to UK.

And we win ten games with them.

This old dinosaur hauled his arse to Florida for the bowl game, and will, again, if we are so fortunate.

Then, in 2023 we did something that I am quite certain we had never done before: we sold out our FCS game (EKU) without a massive giveaway to the military or first responders.

Yes, college football is changing, but on any given Saturday, it looks pretty much the same on every college campus.

In 2021, when Levis had enough time to throw a TD to Wandale Robinson, as a result of Dare Rosenthal shutting down the blind side rush, and when Jaquez Jones broke up UF’s last passing attempt, the thought of how they got to campus did not cross my mind.

 

[UKWildcats1987]

Not surprising. I also couldnt care less. The power 4 (really power 2.5 as acc is a half and little "big" 12 is a joke ) is where it's at.

 

[The-Hack]

Another thought: are the G5 schools not witnessing essentially the same “drain” that the better P5 schools have suffered for decades?

Do you remember those amazing Senior Class plays turned in Trevin Wallace, Jamin Davis, Tim Couch, DeWayne Robertson, Will Levis and Wandale Robinson?

Oh, those guys all turned down their last year of eligibility for millions from the NFL.

Enjoy watching Walker this season: he’s a likely Top 10 draft selection, and is very likely gone.

These losses are no more taxing on us in the top third of the P5 than are transfers from the G5 to us . . . and it is based on the same philosophy of talent rising to the top, and free enterprise considerations.

 

[The-Hack]

Not surprising. I also couldnt care less. The power 4 (really power 2.5 as acc is a half and little "big" 12 is a joke ) is where it's at.

Uhhh, yeah, it’s a little bit hard for me to shed a tear for the “rich getting richer,” when we are clearly running in the “rich/richer” group.

Yes, there are some schools being punished pretty badly: Washington State and Oregon State are all that is left of the old PAC 12, and no one wants them in a mega conference.

U of L and others late to the P5 pool might be left out when all is done, and the ACC inevitably goes away.

Thank God we’ve gotten our football act together, during these tumultuous times. It is the driver of all this movement, and we (fortunately) find ourselves squarely in the Top 25/30 programs by any measurement. I do not see the SEC shedding anyone: and if that were ever mentioned, only Vandy might have problems.

The “property” that is UK sports looks much more attractive when “10-3,” is a more common recent outcome in football than “3-9.”

 

[270Cat]

With the new gap in TV revenue, over time, the Power 2 will be picking away the studs from the other two “power” conferences. They will become glorified G5 conferences, unless something major happens.

 

[gamecockcat]

I believe in the not too distant future, there will be a huge number of non-P4 schools going to FCS. Fewer scholarships, much less expense involved and the fans can still enjoy good college football. If, for instance, all of the MAC schools decided to go to FCS, would their fans revolt? I seriously doubt it. They'd still be playing many of the same schools they do now (especially conference schools), would have an infinitely better chance of reaching the playoffs and playing for a championship. Do No. Dakota State fans feel any less pride in their football program than a P5 team if they win the FCS championship? I wouldn't think so.

If the 'major' schools break off and let's say there are 64 teams - does the bowl system disappear? 16 team playoff, like FCS, wouldn't leave too many teams left to play in bowl games. Certainly not the 35+ that exist now.

I would assume that college basketball and baseball won't be too far behind in separating the big schools who can afford generous NIL and million dollar salaries for assistant coaches from those schools that can't (or choose not to do so).

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

For sure this makes total sense.

1. For UK....we have QB depth for first time every. Largely due to buying off Wimsatt, Beau Allen,etc.. who would never come to UK with a younger QB ahead of them on depth chart...but NIL $$$ changes what motivates you. And I think just about every SEC school has better depth across the board.
2. For college as a whole.....this has to be a disaster. I have long predicted football programs will be closing shop in smaller schools. Why follow schools if you are a fan at places like Tennessee Chattanooga, Western Ky, UAB, etc...heck even Central Michigan, Toledo, etc...why have a team if you're a farm team for your better players jumping to P5.

I still have no idea why football allows this free agency nonsense every year. (even bigger school coaches don't like this concept). So this could go down the path of MLB...big markets get all the talent and smaller markets can't keep their own talent. And as fans get tired of this stuff.....more and more followers will just not even follow and then the money is gone and the pool keeps getting smaller and smaller of fans that follow the sport.

Transferring up was always a thing, then immediate eligibility hit, which is a bigger factor imo. Even with NIL a kid wouldn't automatically bail on his team if he had to sit a year, just my opinion.

Now the depth thing, overall the depth is probably better, but the teams that recruited well probably isn't.

 

[satcheluk]

Shouldn't be surprising, but WSJ article shows how top players in G5 frequently moving to P4 school exacerbates the quality gap between the two.

"The Wall Street Journal reviewed the 2023 first-team all-conference selections for the five smaller leagues that compete the top tier of Division I. These conferences are the American Athletic, Conference USA, the Mid-American, the Mountain West and the Sun Belt, known collectively as the “Group of Five.”

The impact of the transfer portal is striking: After eliminating those who graduated or departed for the NFL, a whopping 40% of the remaining players with all-conference honors switched to another program. The vast majority of them bolted to a team in the Power Four (the Atlantic Coast, Big 12, Big Ten and Southeastern conferences). Even when adding second- and third-team all-conference picks, 36% wound up transferring.

The data shows the extent to which the balance of power has shifted in college football. The smaller conferences have always had a disadvantage compared with their larger peers. Now, they have effectively become a farm system—developing talented players only to lose them to their wealthier competitors. Competing against the likes of Alabama and Michigan was always hard, even before those juggernauts could just snatch up players like books in the campus library.

“Some of those leagues,” former Texas A&M coach Jimbo Fisher said in a radio interview earlier this year, “they’re becoming glorified junior colleges.”"

https://www.wsj.com/sports/football/college-transfers-power-five-conferences-aee82375?mod=sports_lead_pos2

If I'm a mid major school, I'm going after the lower 4/high 3 star guys and telling them to come see the field as a true freshman, rather than sitting and developing without seeing the field or getting paid too much and then they can transfer out after 2-3 years and and rake it in from the transfer portal. I don't' have any data to back this up, but anecdotally, it would seem, 2 year starters from mid majors rae getting paid a premium to fill roster gaps at rich schools, so probably get paid more than the guys who's been there 2 years already and hasn't cracked the rotation yet.

 

[K_TIME]

Transferring up was always a thing, then immediate eligibility hit, which is a bigger factor imo. Even with NIL a kid wouldn't automatically bail on his team if he had to sit a year, just my opinion.

Now the depth thing, overall the depth is probably better, but the teams that recruited well probably isn't.

Agreed....but NCAA is under no Supreme court decisions to allow the transfer without sitting out a year. Why are we keeping that rule when vast majority of coaches are arguing they don't like it?

 

[satcheluk]

For sure this makes total sense.

1. For UK....we have QB depth for first time every. Largely due to buying off Wimsatt, Beau Allen,etc.. who would never come to UK with a younger QB ahead of them on depth chart...but NIL $$$ changes what motivates you. And I think just about every SEC school has better depth across the board.
2. For college as a whole.....this has to be a disaster. I have long predicted football programs will be closing shop in smaller schools. Why follow schools if you are a fan at places like Tennessee Chattanooga, Western Ky, UAB, etc...heck even Central Michigan, Toledo, etc...why have a team if you're a farm team for your better players jumping to P5.

I still have no idea why football allows this free agency nonsense every year. (even bigger school coaches don't like this concept). So this could go down the path of MLB...big markets get all the talent and smaller markets can't keep their own talent. And as fans get tired of this stuff.....more and more followers will just not even follow and then the money is gone and the pool keeps getting smaller and smaller of fans that follow the sport.

I keep seeing you write that you can't understand why college football "allows" this to happen, but they have no legal basis to stop it. SCOTUS ruled against them and hinted if they came back, they'd really be sorry. Only Congress can fix this, unless they make them employees, so that they collectively bargain. TBH, I think NIL and free agency is a great opportunity for UK football. If we can just get NIL a bit stronger, we can bring in a few more studs which would put us solidly in the upper half of the league.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

Agreed....but NCAA is under no Supreme court decisions to allow the transfer without sitting out a year. Why are we keeping that rule when vast majority of coaches are arguing they don't like it?

I guess it's happened but when was the last court case the NCAA won? I think they are afraid to put that back because we both know someone will sue, and likely win. Next thing you know we will have players transferring at half time if they are getting enough snaps.

 

[RDF922]

I keep seeing you write that you can't understand why college football "allows" this to happen, but they have no legal basis to stop it. SCOTUS ruled against them and hinted if they came back, they'd really be sorry. Only Congress can fix this, unless they make them employees, so that they collectively bargain. TBH, I think NIL and free agency is a great opportunity for UK football. If we can just get NIL a bit stronger, we can bring in a few more studs which would put us solidly in the upper half of the league.

People also forget it’s not just the G5 that gets raided. The TOP programs lose valuable backups, which hurts their depth, which evens the playing field just a little bit.

This year alone UK has transfers that will start/contribute from: Alabama, Georgia (2), Ohio State, and Michigan.

Without this new system not one of those players would be here.

 

[K_TIME]

I keep seeing you write that you can't understand why college football "allows" this to happen, but they have no legal basis to stop it. SCOTUS ruled against them and hinted if they came back, they'd really be sorry. Only Congress can fix this, unless they make them employees, so that they collectively bargain. TBH, I think NIL and free agency is a great opportunity for UK football. If we can just get NIL a bit stronger, we can bring in a few more studs which would put us solidly in the upper half of the league.

Didn't SCOTUS just rule that players can get NIL and NCAA can't legislate against it. But I don't get why the one year transfer rule alows you sit has been changed to allow players immediate ability to play. To me, the transfer change of rule is a bigger negative than NIL

 

[The-Hack]

The TOP programs lose valuable backups, which hurts their depth, which evens the playing field just a little bit.

Right.

In just the last few years, how many Heisman or National Championships (or both) have been won (or led by) transfer quarterbacks?

Burrow at LSU (a prior 3 Star recruit to OSU)

And there are others, but my Senior moment has kicked in . . . .

And, again, honestly listing our own incoming vs. outgoing since NIL and the Portal, what conclusions can you apply to UK?

Justin Rogers is our biggest loss, to Auburn, and I’m not quite certain that worked out well for either party.

And the WR that followed our next Head Coach (Jon Sumrall) to Troy . . . .

And other than that . . . .

Measure those losses against the incoming of Wan Dale Robinson, Will Levis, Jaquez Jones, Dare Rosenthal, Devin Leary, Tavion Robinson, Ray Davis, Keshawn Silver, Darrion Henry-Young, Brock Vandergriff, Marques Cox, Pop Dumas-Johnson, Courtland Ford, Dylan Ray, Gerald Mincey . . . .

And that’s a PARTIAL list of our incoming players with the Portal that have had (or will have) a major impact.

I’ve forgotten the name of the Cornerback who had the Pick Six in ‘22 in the Swamp . . . from LSU and then drafted [Kiedron Smith]. Kelvin Joseph (Boss Man Fat) I think sat a year, just before the portal.

Stack up the mountain of production we have gotten (and reasonably expect this season), to our comparatively paltry losses, and one could argue that we have benefitted from the Portal as much or more than any program in the P5 (TCU excepted).

 

[satcheluk]

Didn't SCOTUS just rule that players can get NIL and NCAA can't legislate against it. But I don't get why the one year transfer rule alows you sit has been changed to allow players immediate ability to play. To me, the transfer change of rule is a bigger negative than NIL

Can your employer prevent you from going to another job? No. It would be considered collusion without collective bargaining and SCOTUS made it clear that if any other suits came before them from schools inhibiting players' freedom to earn money or go to school where they wish, then they would essentially end the NCAA. The NCAA has no ability to restrict anything other than the schools paying directly unless codified into law by Congress and that law standing up to any potential challenges from individuals feeling aggrieved.

 

[K_TIME]

Can your employer prevent you from going to another job? No. It would be considered collusion without collective bargaining and SCOTUS made it clear that if any other suits came before them from schools inhibiting players' freedom to earn money or go to school where they wish, then they would essentially end the NCAA. The NCAA has no ability to restrict anything other than the schools paying directly unless codified into law by Congress and that law standing up to any potential challenges from individuals feeling aggrieved.

So why do nfl players not get to jump tewms at the will of their own?

 

[Tskware]

Right.

In just the last few years, how many Heisman or National Championships (or both) have been won (or led by) transfer quarterbacks?

Burrow at LSU (a prior 3 Star recruit to OSU)

And there are others, but my Senior moment has kicked in . . . .

And, again, honestly listing our own incoming vs. outgoing since NIL and the Portal, what conclusions can you apply to UK?

Justin Rogers is our biggest loss, to Auburn, and I’m not quite certain that worked out well for either party.

And the WR that followed our next Head Coach (Jon Sumrall) to Troy . . . .

And other than that . . . .

Measure those losses against the incoming of Wan Dale Robinson, Will Levis, Jaquez Jones, Dare Rosenthal, Devin Leary, Tavion Robinson, Ray Davis, Keshawn Silver, Darrion Henry-Young, Brock Vandergriff, Marques Cox, Pop Dumas-Johnson, Courtland Ford, Dylan Ray, Gerald Mincey . . . .

And that’s a PARTIAL list of our incoming players with the Portal that have had (or will have) a major impact.

I’ve forgotten the name of the Cornerback who had the Pick Six in ‘22 in the Swamp . . . from LSU and then drafted [Kiedron Smith]. Kelvin Joseph (Boss Man Fat) I think sat a year, just before the portal.

Stack up the mountain of production we have gotten (and reasonably expect this season), to our comparatively paltry losses, and one could argue that we have benefitted from the Portal as much or more than any program in the P5 (TCU excepted).

Meh . . . yes, we have picked up some good players last couple of years, e.g., Ray Davis, who had a great year, but on the whole, 14-12 last two seasons, 6-10 in SEC, 0-2 in bowl games, i.e., pretty much exactly like Rich Brooks last two seasons in 2008-09. In fact Brooks' last game was a loss in a bowl game to . . . Clemson. So during the new wide open era of NIL and open transfer, what have we gained exactly? Like the famous coach once said, "You are what your record says you are."

My point is that transfers, like recruiting, is all relevant to your opposition, as you state, we have picked up good transfers, but it seems that everyone else has too, so hard for me to see that we have benefited more than just about any other P5 team in the country.

 

[The-Hack]

14-12 last two seasons, 6-10 in SEC, 0-2 in bowl games,

Two seasons?

Actually I described 3 seasons, one of which (2021) was our second winning season within the SEC in 44 years and one of our four (4) double-digit winning seasons in 130 years of football.

And I’m projecting a tad; I will see the second consensus 5 Star QB in my lifetime (61) take snaps this Fall.

 

[UKnCincy]

Agreed....but NCAA is under no Supreme court decisions to allow the transfer without sitting out a year. Why are we keeping that rule when vast majority of coaches are arguing they don't like it?

When the NCAA tried to force players to sit out for a year after their second transfer, the NCAA was promptly sued by the Attorneys General from seven states who argued the transfer rule violated antitrust law.

That effort was led by the Ohio Attorney General, and if the NCAA tried to bring back the old transfer rule, it’s a safe bet that he’d sue the NCAA again.

 

[Tskware]

Two seasons?

Actually I described 3 seasons, one of which (2021) was our second winning season within the SEC in 44 years and one of our four (4) double-digit winning seasons in 130 years of football.

And I’m projecting a tad; I will see the second consensus 5 Star QB in my lifetime (61) take snaps this Fall.

Well, if you look at it that way, 2018 and 2019 were 18-8 without the mass transfer portal influx, 2018 team was IIRC higher rated in the final polls than 2021, and in addition, 2020 I feel certain would have been another 8-5/9-4 type record had we played our original SEC schedule and the normal OOC teams, so no, I don't see a great difference with UK in relation to other schools post open transfer portal.

 

[satcheluk]

So why do nfl players not get to jump tewms at the will of their own?

Because the NFL players are employees and are unionized, thus giving the union the right to collectively bargain and the NFL guys can sign employment contracts that lock them in for a period of time. The students are not employees, so any attempt to restrict their movement is unconstitutional and will result in huge penalties if brought before SCOTUS again.

 

[satcheluk]

While I also dislike it, what I worry about it that this is the model EVERYWHERE, for just about every major profitable sport in the entire world except for the US. Most obvious in international football/soccer, but played out to a lesser extent with other sports. Athletes are able to realize their value very effectively in almost every other sport's globalized farm system. So that pressure to be the same will always be there. I love the old college football of course and hate almost everything about the new system, but I think the fact that it is played out this way almost every where else means that it is probably inevitable here. I guess the one positive we could try to find is that most of those global sports with multiple tiers and farm systems, etc have not died out, they have found a way to maintain their fanbases and markets, it is just a matter of adjusting.

I love college sports but it really is something unique to the US for the most part. Sports at colleges are restricted to clubs for the most part in other countries, with some of the more serious athletes who are in school being focused on the olympic sports rather than team ones. All those guys are in the club and farm systems instead.

We are the only country in the world that has major college sports. It is a remnant of amateurism that began in Britain, as a way for the wealthy to maintain their dominance of sports, maily soccer and rugby. They brought it to the US, which started in the IVY league and spread out from there. It became such an integral fabric of our society that we failed to recognize how fundamentally wrong it was in the way that athletes have been exploited for huge financial gains by those in charge(schools, admin, coaches and TV networks etc). Change can be hard, but, in this case, it was the right thing to do. Fans need to adapt.

 

[satcheluk]

People also forget it’s not just the G5 that gets raided. The TOP programs lose valuable backups, which hurts their depth, which evens the playing field just a little bit.

This year alone UK has transfers that will start/contribute from: Alabama, Georgia (2), Ohio State, and Michigan.

Without this new system not one of those players would be here.

This is important and an underrated skill Stoops has shown in not losing starters or even quality rotational guys. Creating a culture where players want to stay is almost/equally as important as recruiting.

 

[K_TIME]

This is important and an underrated skill Stoops has shown in not losing starters or even quality rotational guys. Creating a culture where players want to stay is almost/equally as important as recruiting.

That is 100% true....

Guys like Ox, Weaver, Cox, CRod, Square, etc....all seem to enjoy playing for the culture at UK/Stoops. And those little things help the program.

 

[The-Hack]

It is a remnant of amateurism that began in Britain, as a way for the wealthy to maintain their dominance of sports, maily soccer and rugby.

The fiction of collegiate “amateurism”’was the way the US danced around Olympic requirements of amateurism.

Rupp coached the 1948 Gold Metalist Olympic team, whose starting 5 were the Fabulous Five from his national championship team, and they were paid to play at Kentucky.

Jesse Owens was an “amateur” and America’s prize against Nazi Germany in 1936, but received $30,000.00 cash from the 1936 Republican Presidential candidate for his “endorsement,” to go with whatever “package” he was receiving for his attendance in college.

The Russians built factories next to athletic facilities, and we built athletic facilities next to our universities. Both systems found a way to pay their better athletes to maintain the fiction of amateurism, and then dominate the world competitions.

Now, we are treated daily to “it just ain’t the same as it was . . . “ posts.

Lol!!

I smiled when I saw Devin Leary’s first interview.

It was the Old School, Rah, Rah, Sis Boom Bah!!

“I went to the Mall and everybody was rocking Kentucky gear . . . .”

I shook my head, and internally said, “mention the horses, mention the damn horses,” and as though on cue, “and I took a tour of the thoroughbred farms. . . .”

And the interviewer and audience took no exception to his new sports car . . . and he even mentioned it, crediting NIL, but it remained as invisible to the audience . . . about as invisible as Dewayne Robertson’s truck did way back in the days of “amateurism” in the year 2001 . . . a 25K truck with 5K spinners. Hey, even back before NIL, the girls were pretty, the horses were fast, everybody wore blue, and 19 year old college freshmen form Memphis had good part-time jobs!!

And, yes, things are not “what they used to be.”

The night deposit boxes of banks in the South have less business.

There is less demand for withdrawing large sums of cash.

College athletes buy their sports cars writing checks from accounts upon which taxes have been paid.

Things are, indeed, not like they used to be.

 

[satcheluk]

The fiction of collegiate “amateurism”’was the way the US danced around Olympic requirements of amateurism.

Rupp coached the 1948 Gold Metalist Olympic team, whose starting 5 were the Fabulous Five from his national championship team, and they were paid to play at Kentucky.

Jesse Owens was an “amateur” and America’s prize against Nazi Germany in 1936, but received $30,000.00 cash from the 1936 Republican Presidential candidate for his “endorsement,” to go with whatever “package” he was receiving for his attendance in college.

The Russians built factories next to athletic facilities, and we built athletic facilities next to our universities. Both systems found a way to pay their better athletes to maintain the fiction of amateurism, and then dominate the world competitions.

Now, we are treated daily to “it just ain’t the same as it was . . . “ posts.

Lol!!

I smiled when I saw Devin Leary’s first interview.

It was the Old School, Rah, Rah, Sis Boom Bah!!

“I went to the Mall and everybody was rocking Kentucky gear . . . .”

I shook my head, and internally said, “mention the horses, mention the damn horses,” and as though on cue, “and I took a tour of the thoroughbred farms. . . .”

And the interviewer and audience took no exception to his new sports car . . . and he even mentioned it, crediting NIL, but it remained as invisible to the audience . . . about as invisible as Dewayne Robertson’s truck did way back in the days of “amateurism” in the year 2001 . . . a 25K truck with 5K spinners. Hey, even back before NIL, the girls were pretty, the horses were fast, everybody wore blue, and 19 year old college freshmen form Memphis had good part-time jobs!!

And, yes, things are not “what they used to be.”

The night deposit boxes of banks in the South have less business.

There is less demand for withdrawing large sums of cash.

College athletes buy their sports cars writing checks from accounts upon which taxes have been paid.

Things are, indeed, not like they used to be.

Exactly! So why do you think it is so hard for so many to accept how things are changing, especially now that they know why they are?

 

[The-Hack]

Exactly! So why do you think it is so hard for so many to accept how things are changing, especially now that they know why they are?

For some folks it’s a whole lot like the first Christmas after you found out there was no Santa. Some felt pretty letdown.

Me?

I found some comfort that a fat ass white guy wasn’t squeezing his arse down my parent’s chimney to find himself in an oil burning furnace.

When I was 10 years old (73/74) my brother entered UK as a frosh, majoring in Phys Ed. Football and basketball players were a third of his Phys. Ed classmates. And my brother has always known where to find the really good weed, had a nice car, and a lot of “farm” friends.

So, the very day that UK OL, Elmore Stephens accidentally killed his drug dealer (the story of the accidental smothering is a subject for another thread/post), my brother played pick up basketball with Elmore and Sonny Collins.

He lived for fear of being subpoenaed, especially if Sonny got indicted (he didn’t), if the Prosecutor wanted to prove Sonny was hanging with Elmore that day.

So anyhow, by the age of ten, I knew there was no Santa in College Sports, that the better football and basketball players were pretty well taken care of, both financially and by grades.

It was sort of a running joke with my Dad, brother and the rest of the family.’when we heard that a good FB or BB player had committed, my Dad would fire up . . . “We’ll, once they’ve seen the beauty of the Central Bluegrass, how could they say ‘no,’” Then we kids would chime in with how pretty the girls were at UK and how fast the horses were . . . or how fast the girls were and how pretty the horses were . . . and then we’d all laugh our asses off.