if you can't play man to man def you can't play for Cal
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Thanks for your respectful reply! I will point to last year . I thought Ulis would be the best at running the team, but Cal stayed with Andrew. If you will remember in the last 5 minutes Andrew wasn't playing very well, of course this is the Wisconsin game, but instead of putting Ulis in Cal thought he owed it to Andrew to leave him in the game. That happened throughout the year (in my opinion, plus many others) Could have cost us a championship, we'll never know. I thought Cals own words on getting so many drafted last year inferred that their future was worth more than winning a championship. Don't remember the exact wording but many people were surprised at what he said. Hope this wasn't too whiny, have a nice day trainster!
I think too much is made about if a player can or can't play man d. You can scheme as a team around a player that can't defend man but you can't scheme if a player can't shoot but can play d. Lot easier to hide someone on d. Give me a below average defender that has very above average offensive skill over an above average defender with below average offensive skill
Do you guys arguing for zone defenses know who coaches basketball at Kentucky?
Seems like you might not.
Seems like you might not.
Yes, what is your point? Oh, wait, you are one of many on here that thinks Cal is God like, and is perfect, why hell, I bet he walks on water as well.
No, actually, you are wrong, but what else is new. He doesn't play zone in any volume. Been watching him since UMASS. Man to man. Period. End of story.
You want a zone, you get a new coach. Till then, you are pissing into the wind.
cal gets the best players and plays real, fundamentally sound basketball
least cynical approach out there
zone is for chickenshit lames
least cynical approach out there
zone is for chickenshit lames
Cal's teams have become one dimentional: they go to the Final Four yr after yr. after yr. after yr.......
Good ole hindsight. Of course you neglect to mention that both Booker and Tyler were getting beat on defense and neither did much on offense.
I believe @Atrain7732 summed it up pretty well.
Your recent posts have been whiny and nonsensical, just like the one you claimed that KPayne hasnt coached up any bigs...
Always count on POPO for his brilliant insight. So you were in favor of keeping Andrew in the final five minutes too. You must be a Cal clone, if he ever leaves we can just hire you. Have a nice day genius.
I would have agreed with you until last year. Coach K who also had NEVER in his career played anything other then Man to Man had to coach Duke into playing Zone because Tyus Jones and Jahlil Okafor two of his best three players were extremely bad defenders. After watching Coach K accept change and coach a flawed team to a National Title (with a lot of help from the selection committee) I now expect that kind of growth from Cal. You can't just say "this is the way I've always done it so there isn't a better way." It's the most flawed logic in the history of the United States.
Yep. Revisionist history at its best. Does not bother to address his ridiculous statement about UK's coach and players being selfish and an NBAD league team that only wants to get drafted and couldn't care less about winning. Tyler and Devin were absolutely a handicap defensively for much of the Wisconsin game. Devin for much of the season TBH. Which is why they did not play at the end. Andrew and Aaron certainly didn't play well at the end of the game. Cannot dispute that. But, it still doesn't fit the argument that Cal favors NBA draft picks over less rated recruits. Cal simply plays the players who give UK the best chance to win in his opinion. As does EVERY COACH. Tyler and Devin played a TON of minutes last year. Not playing the last 5 mins of a game is not the same thing as favoring a player.
The real shame in all of this is that you would think UK is having a losing season by these posts. All of the sudden all of the couch coaches come out and proclaim why it is UK is losing. I have tempered my expectations this season. I think UK just does not have the talent to win it all this year. However, it is a year where there is no dominant team, so you never know. But, the idea that Cal should not recruit elite one and done players and should start to play a zone defense is just silly. It ain't happening. It is not how Cal plays and he will not change how he has always coached now bc a few fans think a zone is the better idea. No way of course to prove this theory. The same people will be proclaiming they loved this team all along if they do get on a roll and win at Kansas and thru the SEC.
And I will officially be ignoring all of Graves posts from now on bc he obviously isnt going to ever get it. If you so truly believe that Cal and all the UK players only care about the NBA and not winning games, maybe you should find another team to root for. Billy G is doing ok at that juco team in Texas I hear. He was prolly one of those who recruited "unselfish" players in your opinion. Maybe when the next coach comes, you can decide if they are worthy of your fandom.
I don't know who said ALL of the players were more worried about the NBA Trainster! I am a Kentucky Wildcat fan and the likes of YOU are not going to tell me not to have an opinion. You are too mouthy for me si I will just ignore you for sure. Have a nice day Trainster!
Explain to me why it is that some of you guys immediately play the "Cal is above criticism" card anytime someone legitimately questions your criticisms.
Nobody on this board that I have ever seen has said Cal is above criticism. He certainly is not. Doesn't mean, however, that we all have to agree with your criticism. And if we don't then we are all sunshine pumpers. I am open to many criticisms of Cal. Just not the ones I find ridiculous. Question whether it is valid for me to think its ridiculous. But, stop with this crap that anyone is saying Cal is infallible. Just makes you look really silly IMO.
Still think Briscoe is the weak link in UK's offense? He will have up and down games bc he is not an Eric Bledsoe but the guy absolutely should be on the court before Hawkins. I mean that is crazy talk.
Perfect example of taking a couple bad games by a good player out of context to fit a silly argument. Same thing with Skal. So it is ok that Cal is benching Skal now bc of some obscure quote from a question that a reporter asked. So is Skal not the same player who came in as a sure fire top 2 pick? And Cal has decided it is better for the TEAM if he comes along more slowly. That blows up your and Graves entire silly premise. You just won't ever admit it.
Just thinking, if Wiltjer had taken the red shirt Cal offered, he would be a senior on this team. With Willis and Wiltjer maybe Cal would go to a zone, we'll never know
That's right I suppose. You said it was sad that UK had become a minor league NBA team where the players were more important than the team. You didn't say ALL the players were selfish jerks who only cared about themselves. Of course you didn't not say that either. That statement is not very ambiguous. Pretty clear the intent there. You may be a UK fan. I never want to question anyone's fandom and you are certainly entitled to your opinion. As are those of us who do not appreciate those kind of statements about the UK team and coach.
kzryzewski is a pimp opportunist
cal would never let okafor loaf on defense the way he did at duke. look at how hard he was on towns
You say that you can always count on me for insight yet you say I'm a Cal clone....?
I have blamed Cal for 2010, 2014 and 2015.
I would like to see some zone D with this group.
So you really have no clue about me. Or Kenny Payne. Or Cal Your opinions, which you state as facts are senseless.
The difference between you and me is that just because I dont always agree with Cal, I understand that he is a HOF coach who sees the players everyday, been doing this a looong time and might know more than I do.
I dont make a bunch of woe is me posts crying about being a developmental team for the NBA.
I dont make absurd statements such as.. Payne hasnt developed any bigs.
It is one thing to voice an opinion or objection, it is another to go off the rails emotionally, trash the program, trash the coach, and act like you know more than everybody.
Your recent posts reveal that you do not know much.
POPO, I have never trashed this program, you are absurd! It will be my Kentucky born and bred pleasure to ignore you from this point forward. You are clearly an agitator or Somrthing but I am tired of your smart mouth. Goodbye now.
Ok Gravy, I can see your memory is about as short as your basketball insight. You have a good night.
Possible. Hold your breath if you like but I won't be joining you. Cal hasn't made that adjustment since, well, forever.
No matter how you slice it, if you can't play man to man, you have no hope of playing a top tier zone. As I've said before, zone is easy to play, very difficult to play well. I think you are hoping for fool's gold.
Except for posters are calling for Cal to change his defense to accommodate Derrick Willis, a 7th-8th man role player, not Jahlil Okafor and Tyus Jones, the two best players on the team.
Without those two on the floor Duke couldn't compete in and win games, so K's hand was forced. Without Willis on the floor UK can still easily compete in and wins games. You think K would change up his entire defensive philosophy for a Plumlee? Yeah, don't think so.
The comparison you're trying to make isn't anywhere near close. There is a huge difference between the two situations.
Willis, Humphries, Wynard, are not the answer. How far this team goes is all on Skal, if he can ever produce we have a shot, if he can't then sweet 16 is a success.
And that is all I was saying. The discussion on zone is academic. Except for unusual situations, you just never see it out of him. Worst, I don't ever recall a Calipari team playing it effectively.
Nice to be able to refute my point after Briscoe has a couple of good games on the heels of absolutely putrid shooting performances, one in a loss to LSU. Great work. You're a genius. Two weeks ago you couldn't find a person on this board that wasn't frustrated with Briscoe's play and inability to make a perimeter shot or free throw, and I guarantee you many were thinking that other options would make more sense. Its easy to say that was a stupid notion after he has a couple of good games. Wow man you are awesome.
Either you don't read this board much, or just trying to pick a fight. Any crticism of Cal brings bass fan and some here out with guns blazing. If you have not seen that, then nothing I type here. Will resonate with you. Kybassfan was same way bcc and Tubby, that blind HOMERISM.
So, basically the exact same thing that you did. You took a couple bad games by Briscoe and proclaimed it as proof positive that Cal was only playing him for his NBA draft status. I think Briscoe played pretty well to start the season, then had a few game stretch where he was having issues. There are going to be frustrating games where he doesn't meet expectations. He will not be a super star this year, however, I do think any neutral observer could see that he brings much more to the table than a Hawkins or Mulder at this point. Which was all I was saying. Not proclaiming to be a genius, just kinda common sens to pretty much anyone with eyes and even a basic knowledge of basketball. Except for you evidently. Congrats on that, I guess.
Coach K at Duke seems to be able to win with players that are really good at the offensive end and average at best at the defensive end. Coaches have different philosophies and they are stubborn to change. Cal wins at UK with Defense first. While I agree you have to be able to stop people, at the end of the day, you have to put the ball in the hole. Don't believe Cal has lost a championship due to not being able to stop people. 10,11,14,15 teams that came up short were due to not putting the ball in the hole.
Couple of bad games? He had the worst free throw shooting percentage in the country. Fouling him on a shot was basically a way to have him turn it over. To call it having a "few game stretch where he was having issues" is underselling big time how it affected the team. That "stretch" included a couple of losses where he absolutely couldn't get the ball anywhere near going in the basket. Briscoe is not a shooter. Being a bad shooter is what he is. Will he knock down shots from time to time? I sure hope so. But lets not act like the Briscoe that was making shots against Alabama is who he has been.
Not trying to pick a fight. I will admit that I was a little riled up yesterday, so did not intend to be over the top. I truly just do not understand the concept. I do not doubt that some fans will be upset at any criticism of Cal. Personally, I think there are things to be critical about. Not playing a zone defense at times I think is a legit criticism. But, criticizing the recruiting of one-and-done players and calling Cal and some of the players selfish is not a legit criticism. And it is not valid. I did not have a problem with your post and did not intend to start an argument.
That is a straw man argument. He is without a doubt a BAD free throw shooter, and a mediocre to poor outside shooter. He should not be shooting threes ever IMO. That is a smaller part of his game. A legit point. However, nowhere did I ever say that Briscoe is a player without any flaws. If you can honestly make the point that Briscoe should be benched in favor of Hawk, Mulder or Matthews then I will have to strongly disagree. Including the couple bad games he had, he still brings much more to the table than any of those guys so far. His defensive intensity alone makes up for a lot of his downside. I can have a discussion on whether Briscoe has some flaws in his game right now and there are legit points to be made regarding that. However, I will not be in agreement that anyone should be playing over him right now. Bad games included. And I disagree with the assertion that that is proof of Cal favoring a higher recruit for NBA draft status.
if you try to outscore people, sometimes you aren't hitting and lose to lehigh
sometimes you are hitting and lose to mercer anyway
cal's worst tournament loss was in an elite 8 (and with a team he slapped together in like 3 weeks after taking the job, and losing meeks) to a team that won the tournament of the BEST CONFERENCE EVER
Yes you can have a Leigh, but K has also won 2 in same time period. Our 12 team was able to shoot the basketball. Everyone guards, but at the end of the day you have to be able to put the ball in the hole. Just because you defend does not guarantee a win.
Calling our 10 team something that was slapped together is a stretch. Most coaches would like to slap together a team of John Wall, Demarcus Cousins, Eric Bledsoe, and have Patrick Patterson already there. I'm not ragging on Cal, but just stating you u have to be able to put the ball in the hole and not just have defensive specialist on the floor.
uk would have curb stomped duke last year
nova lost 5 of their last 7 games and was the 2 seed in duke's region in 2010
f them and everything they stand for
nova lost 5 of their last 7 games and was the 2 seed in duke's region in 2010
f them and everything they stand for
You mean the Duke team that handily beat Wisconsin, that had just beat us? Hmmm, well, ok.
Hey Zipp. You get lost on your way to the Louisville board? When can we expect a ruling on the Hooker Gate your crypt keeper cooked up?
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