If we can go 1-1

[theGspot]

ah discussion point, thanks.

Comparing to you doesn't mean much. Doesn't that mean you are fat? BTW, Anthony davis wasn't much more than Bamba once he got to UK. Same can be said for Nerlens and other tall bigs. He has time to gain weight. He just need another 10 - 15 lbs by end of season next year.

Bam doesn't have Major size. You have to understand, he has size/length of shorter end of PF. So in college, at least at times he matches up well but once you get to tourney with top tier group, he becomes much more uncomfortable.

His post up ability isn't better than Bamba. Bamba will have much easier time transitioning into post. He is big and long, he wont' have to adjust to opponents. Bam will.

You are making too much out of 1 year of experience. Are you telling me Anthony Davis as a rookie in NBA wasn't top 50 player? Anthony Davis won POY award and everything else. John Wall and Demarcus were both top 5 in college their freshman year. Kat was also top 5.

Do i want Bam to stay, of course. But he is an icing on the cake. He doesn't have that elite skill set that we can rely on. Also you said "he is only better at shot blocking.." like that's exactly why he is major importance and Bam is an icing.

HAHAHAHAHAHA, LMAO!!! Davis was a once in a generation type player. The fact that you are even remotely mentioning him and Bamba in the same category literally proves a complete lack of knowledge. While he was slender, he was 2 inches shorter and over 15 pounds heavier coming out of high school. He had played guard and possessed great shooting touch and offensive skills. Bamba is literally known for lacking offensive skills at this point. I am literally in pain I am laughing so hard at this comparison.

Bam doesn't have good size?? He is listed at 6'10 260. Now, he likely is a little shorter than that, but even at 6'9 260 that is incredibly good size. Considering how built he is, mixed with his speed and athleticism he is every teams dream to have in the post. In the SEC tourney and NCAA combined he had 1 game where he scored less than double digits and you think he was uncomfortable. And that was against UCLA, the easiest damn game we played all tournament.

Bamba wont have to adjust playing against guys that are built like brick shit houses? Are you high? Skal, Davis, Nerlens and Towns all had great length and struggled, so why wouldn't Bamba? Nerlens struggled up until he got hurt offensively. Skal had a few good games, but far more bad ones and got ate up by bigger guys. Davis had a lot of lobs and dunks but also struggled trying to post up bigger guys. Towns was a very big dude and still struggled early on. By season end he had it figured out, but he was the only one of that group to have a big body to bang with. I honestly don't know why you would compare Cousins who was 6'11 AND 265 to a guy who is 7'0 and 207, again that's laughable. Bam will struggle after already showing he can do it for a season? Again, that makes zero sense.

I'm not sure where the John Wall comparison comes from as he was a PG who didn't play in the post. I think we already covered that fact that Davis was a once in a generation type player. And we also covered that Towns and Cousins were much larger than Bamba is, by a lot!!

I am literally not sure what you were trying to accomplish with that post, but please try again as that was embarrassingly bad.

 

[WildMoon]

@theGspot

Quoting takes too much space.

Davis is 15 lbs heavier than Bamba? I would like to see this data, since last updated official measurement for Bamba was 2016 (@211), and not this year. A. Davis also measured 214 during summer of 2012 season for UK. Cal also said he played around 217-218. Also davis is not once in a generational type player. Also, i never compared Bamba to his capability....

6'9" is small. Not sure how you are arguing it's a good size. Good size is at least 6'10+ for PF. Of course there are exception. TJ was good size with 6'10", but many PF are at least 6'10"+. And if you haven't realized, i am talking about PF not even C. Davis is 6'11" PF or Boogie, which ever player you want to pick.

I never said he wouldn't struggle. My wording in regards to adjustment is in regards to shooting over people. I expect Bamba to struggle throughout the season. But he will see major improvements like you saw with our other bigs. Davis didn't need to back anyone down to the post. All he did was he knew he was longer so he shot over players.

Also, Nerlens noel was much better than Bam...

Just for the record, you are very much clueless in this discussion. You make up random "argument" point. Are you saying Bam was elite scorer? You wouldn't want Noel over Bam? Not sure what you were getting with Nerlens struggled to scored offensively...like that was even my argument. Besides, he never finished his season and was getting better in the post.

I have yet to see where you actually make a case where Bam would perform similarly to any of those players? How he isn't a icing, while Bamba is a game changer.

Is Bam going to all of sudden become elite shot blocker? Because he won't. He was very weak rebounder averaged 8...which is lowest except Skal. His block rate is 1.5 in 30 minutes. Which is one of the worst in Coach Cal bigs, which is only better than Dakari Johnson...

 

[HenryMuto]

We are screwed next year. Can't lose all these players every year and ever expect to win another championship. Just reality.

 

[theGspot]

@theGspot

Quoting takes too much space.

Davis is 15 lbs heavier than Bamba? I would like to see this data, since last updated official measurement for Bamba was 2016 (@211), and not this year. A. Davis also measured 214 during summer of 2012 season for UK. Cal also said he played around 217-218. Also davis is not once in a generational type player. Also, i never compared Bamba to his capability....

6'9" is small. Not sure how you are arguing it's a good size. Good size is at least 6'10+ for PF. Of course there are exception. TJ was good size with 6'10", but many PF are at least 6'10"+. And if you haven't realized, i am talking about PF not even C. Davis is 6'11" PF or Boogie, which ever player you want to pick.

I never said he wouldn't struggle. My wording in regards to adjustment is in regards to shooting over people. I expect Bamba to struggle throughout the season. But he will see major improvements like you saw with our other bigs. Davis didn't need to back anyone down to the post. All he did was he knew he was longer so he shot over players.

Also, Nerlens noel was much better than Bam...

Just for the record, you are very much clueless in this discussion. You make up random "argument" point. Are you saying Bam was elite scorer? You wouldn't want Noel over Bam? Not sure what you were getting with Nerlens struggled to scored offensively...like that was even my argument. Besides, he never finished his season and was getting better in the post.

I have yet to see where you actually make a case where Bam would perform similarly to any of those players? How he isn't a icing, while Bamba is a game changer.

Is Bam going to all of sudden become elite shot blocker? Because he won't. He was very weak rebounder averaged 8...which is lowest except Skal. His block rate is 1.5 in 30 minutes. Which is one of the worst in Coach Cal bigs, which is only better than Dakari Johnson...

You are too stupid for words.

First off, Bamba is listed at 7'0 207# and I would imagine that's being generous. Davis was listed at 6'10 219 out of high school. Go look up their measurements. That's a considerable amount. I don't know what games you were watching that season, but lobs and putbacks were AD's post moves until very late in the season. He started hitting his mid range some as the season progressed but he wasn't a bruiser or backing people down. Yet, he was already 15 pounds heavier than Bamba, who you delusionally think will be a force in the post. While nothing proves this and no one currently thinks he has these post moves besides you. You don't think Davis is a once in a generational type player? Then please find me someone else in the last 20 years that won all the awards and accolades he collected in college, not to mention playing in the Olympics and being a top 5 NBA player by his 2nd year?lol, I'll
Wait....

6'9 is small for a power forward? You might want to tell Draymond Green that. He's considered one of the best in the league currently and he's only 6'7. Btw, Boogie isn't a PF. He plays center.

You're right about something finally, but you lose it on the rationalization as to why. You're right that Davis didn't need to really post players up, we had Jones and Gilchrest to do that for him. And much like Bam, they were built enough to do so, but Bam is much bigger than both.

In your earlier post you were touting Bamba as being a top 3 pick, you don't go that high if you struggle a lot in college. But whatever you need to tell yourself.

Nerlens was a really good rebounder and great shot blocker. He was dismal offensively, outside of dunking. Horrible FT shooter, lacked footwork or any post moves. He was starting to develop a good
Little hook shot, but he was far from what you're making him out to be. I would take Bam all day, as he has really good footwork and post moves. He's much stronger and far more of an enforcer than Nerlens will ever be. Nerlens is one of my all time favorites, but I live in the real world so unlike yourself I am not going to pretend he wasn't.

I'm the one that's clueless when you can't provide any facts or details to support your argument? You think Davis was just a really good player and not a once in a generation type, even though facts and logic blow that theory all to hell. You think Bam essentially sucks and was overrated because he didn't block as many shots as Davis or Noel, which again, facts don't support at all. There is much more to the game than blocking shots. You also think a
HS kid, who has never even been part of a college
Level practice is guaranteed to be top 3 pick, just cause. Please tell us more as to why you think this?? I'm very interested in hearing this logic. Game changer.... really?? I wanna know where you get that from a HS all-star game.

8 rebounds a game is weak? You get that's 2 away from avg a double double, right? And that's as a freshman! That's one of those too dumb for words statements, btw! Do I think he will develop into a great shot blocker? Probably not, but he improved that area this season, it would be pretty foolish to assume he won't improve next year. You seem to think that's the make or break skill of a basketball player. I would much prefer the better all around
Player myself, especially if he already had a year of experience at the college level and was a game
Shy of the FF, over a kid who is still in HS and is a complete unknown at this point.

If you fail to see the evidence and facts in front of you, that's your problem. I, nor the other posters can make a moron Comprehend something he simply can't or doesn't want to. That's on you! Enjoy la-la land though.

 

[MasonCoBlue]

I see BAM 20-25. If there is much doubt, I think he pulls out and shoots for lottery next year.