If Mitchell’s was a “cylinder “ foul
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...and this. I meant to "multi-quote your last two posts but it didn't do it. I guess I did it wrong.
I had never heard of a cylinder foul until last night. I wonder if it has ever been called in any other SEC game?
This foul is not that rare. Check out this article on UK losing a game because it:
Vanderbilt basketball defeats Kentucky in SEC Tournament following cylinder violation foul
Here's an explanation to the NCAA's cylinder violation call following the Commodores' win on Friday night.
www.tennessean.com
We got screwed on the exact same call either last year or recently that kind’ve changed that game also. Don’t blame me for not remembering the last four years have been awful for UK and Cal.
It was a typical SEC road equalizer call, that USCjr didn't even really need to beat us.
But fine, keep this same energy when teams are literally in our shorts trying to play defense. Precedent has been set.
But fine, keep this same energy when teams are literally in our shorts trying to play defense. Precedent has been set.
Roy Williams complaining about the cylinder foul:
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Roy Williams Criticizes NCAA's Cylinder Rule
Garrison Brooks needed stitches and dental work following an elbow in UNC's win over Washington on Sunday.
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I know I speak for us all when I say that I just hope that young man's elbow is OK.
I’ll be honest…basketball at all levels …I’ve watched for 30 years intently…but the last five years …..there are so many made up rules that givr officials way too much subjective to mess with games
1- This absurd cylinder rule…I get a no call if you in the space of offense player and get an elbow…but I’ve never seen a fouls on the defense that wasn’t touching the chest/hips and got elbow in face and defense gets a foul …much less overruled on replay
2- this hook and hold crap…..that was rebounding plain snd simple
3- Going back in game action to overrule 2 pt vs 3pt shots minutes later during timeout…and just random at that. Some close one are reviewed some never question
4- Don’t get me started on nba made up rules. Clear path, if you swing a shooting motion into a defender in a stance and his arms to his sides….shooting foul on defense
It’s absurd to add this much rules too game
1- This absurd cylinder rule…I get a no call if you in the space of offense player and get an elbow…but I’ve never seen a fouls on the defense that wasn’t touching the chest/hips and got elbow in face and defense gets a foul …much less overruled on replay
2- this hook and hold crap…..that was rebounding plain snd simple
3- Going back in game action to overrule 2 pt vs 3pt shots minutes later during timeout…and just random at that. Some close one are reviewed some never question
4- Don’t get me started on nba made up rules. Clear path, if you swing a shooting motion into a defender in a stance and his arms to his sides….shooting foul on defense
It’s absurd to add this much rules too game
Adjust to them calling everything against you and nothing against your opponent? If we play like they did we get called for 40 fouls in that one.
Vanderbilt basketball defeats Kentucky in SEC Tournament following cylinder violation foul
Here's an explanation to the NCAA's cylinder violation call following the Commodores' win on Friday night.
www.tennessean.com
I seen that and honestly I don’t remember that call at all. Could be because I tuned out a lot of games the past couple seasons. Can’t handle the stress sometimes. It has been a lot of fun this year, until last night. Last night felt like 2020 and beyond again.Vanderbilt basketball defeats Kentucky in SEC Tournament following cylinder violation foul
Here's an explanation to the NCAA's cylinder violation call following the Commodores' win on Friday night.www.tennessean.com
The problem is less the rule and more the application. This NEVER gets called, BUT it’s always in the refs back pocket should they want to use it. That’s the problem. Either call it every time or never, but the subjective use of it crosses over to manipulation and cheating.
This is used so little, more than 90% of fans watching had never seen it before in their lives. That creates a major problem when it does get used, so it comes across as nothing more than a way to hurt a team vs following the rules.
As many have pointed out this rule is broken several times every single possession.
This is used so little, more than 90% of fans watching had never seen it before in their lives. That creates a major problem when it does get used, so it comes across as nothing more than a way to hurt a team vs following the rules.
As many have pointed out this rule is broken several times every single possession.
I just don't like crying about officiating. You deal with it as best you can, right or wrong. I agree officiating seems piss poor for a few years now and just seems to get worse rather than better. Whatcha gonna do, put up a billboard? Just play!
What a completely ridiculous rule. So anytime somebody's body comes in contact with you, just elbow them in the face and it'll be a foul on the defense lol. In order for somebody's elbow to come in contact with a face, that person has to be in their "cylinder". How many times has a player got a rebound, turned with their elbows out, and hit a defender in the face and got a flagrant. It's called a flagrant every freakin time. But the defender had to be in their cylinder for them to even hit them in the face. By this rule, every single elbow to the face would be a "cylinder" foul on the defense as long as they're making a "basketball move". How about every player just throw elbows all game and claim cylinder lol
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It might've made sense before the flagrant foul change but I can't make sense of changing a called foul that was reviewed for the level of flagrancy being forgotten about and a foul on the guy who got an elbow to the face. That's just counter to the intent(my understanding) of the flagrant foul rule. I can't justify that in my mind.
From what I remember with Oscar, they said they had to call a flagrant on him because the elbow hit above the neck. Even though the guy was in his cylinder. I'm pretty sure that Mitchell was hit above the neck.
You are right. But since he had Kentucky across his chest it cancels out and therefore a cylinder a foul. And a flagrant is assessed to a manager for good measure.
Also, is it ONLY a cylinder foul if the player elbows the other one? If the guy is manhandling him in the cylinder but there's no elbow to the face it isn't a foul yet?
According to the rule it is but it doesn't get called that way.
Thing is the offensive players "cylinder" is violated on every play and it doesn't get called.This foul is not that rare. Check out this article on UK losing a game because it:
Vanderbilt basketball defeats Kentucky in SEC Tournament following cylinder violation foul
Here's an explanation to the NCAA's cylinder violation call following the Commodores' win on Friday night.www.tennessean.com
I think a lot of people don't get the rule and are complaining because this time it went against us. The rule is similar in some ways to the rule that a jump shooter has to be allowed to land. In this case, the defensive player can get his head so close to the player with the ball that contact has to happen. To call a foul on the offensive player would be unfair in that situation.
The subjective nature of this rule will always be up for debate. When it goes against us, it is a bad rule. When it goes for us, it is a good rule. I don't think we will ever be happy. It is what it is.
Having said all that, a no call would be best, IMO. After all there is a LOT of contact during the game, especially under the boards that never gets called.
Uscjr was grabbing and holding all night, yet could have been called for a hundred cylinder fouls. Sec refs are the absolute worst.
That was what set me off when the called Tre on that. They wouldn't have looked at it if not for him getting elbowed in the face.
I am aware of the "cylinder rule".. or concept of verticality... but I thought a foul to the face, was a foul, not matter what. Even if Tre fouled 1st.. I thought a hit to the face, was STILL a foul.
Regardless, it was poorly officiated game. Whether that would have changed the game? Who knows when a butterfly flaps its wings...
Regardless, it was poorly officiated game. Whether that would have changed the game? Who knows when a butterfly flaps its wings...
This foul is not that rare. Check out this article on UK losing a game because it:
Vanderbilt basketball defeats Kentucky in SEC Tournament following cylinder violation foul
Here's an explanation to the NCAA's cylinder violation call following the Commodores' win on Friday night.www.tennessean.com
lol, so the only other reference (grand total of one) we have of that call being made in an SEC game also went against Kentucky?
Thanks, this makes the point perfectly.
This is the case literally every year...teams that employ the "they aren't gonna call all our fouls" defensive strategy give us fits. Then add in when officials don't call ANY of them it's a recipe for disaster, aka what happened Tuesday
This cylinder foul was called precisely to avoid calling the flagrant elbow on the South Carolina player.
The officials called a flagrant on Oscar last year when the roles were reversed. They do this deliberately.
Almost like it was predetermined that they were going to call one during the game and prepped the TV crew. Was just a matter of when they were going to call it.
They pretty much just mauled us at the start of the game, and the refs let them get away with it. To me that set the tone on how we played the rest of the game ( scared )... And of course Cal was useless
Funny how that rule is enforced. All 3 times the call has gone against us. Not once in our favor. Oscar's cylinder was constantly being violated and I'm willing to bet during those 2 years he was hit with a flagrant 1 everytime. Not to mention USCjr was in our cylinder all night long. Anyone wanna count up how many time they were called for it? Oh yeah none. Just proves again how inept SEC officials are at their job.
Now we know. Cal needs to tell our guys, if they get too close, just smash em in the face.
I just rewatched that play. The problem is that no foul was called when there was contact. The ONLY option the refs had according to the announcers was either a no call or a flagrant. I'm not sure if there could be a cylinder violation called after a no call.
This sure can be confusing!! LOL
OR........it could be that the SOB's are crooked?
What's the answer when it's not possible to "adjust to how the refs are calling the game" because the opponent is permitted to be as physical as South Carolina without getting called for fouls?
No fouls on USC until 8:33 left in the first half. Our guys had no chance.
If that was a cylinder foul, there should never be another elbow call. If you're close enough to get an elbow to the face, you're in the cylinder, apparently.
If the call is evenly made, I have no issue with the call because a player should have enough room to pivot. However, we know the call isn't evenly made and it is first time that a call and review was done to determine which call to make against the offensive player and the call is switched to the defender.
