UK basketball is in real trouble.It's all the portal players care about but these 2 goons keep acting like it's 1956.
If Mitch and Cal don't start going all in on NIL
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Too late, we're already in the ditch with Mitch...
Listen when you get 5 of the top 25 hs players in the country including 4 of the top 15; they are getting paid too.
Stop being naive.
Not guaranteeing NIL money to any particular player, even if not an acceptable amount and ultimately turned down, seems a bad business plan.
Dickerson said signing with UK is “risky”. I think that’s telling, and pushing people toward guaranteed money. For instance, Johnson may have been ok with 15-18 minutes a game, as long as his money was guaranteed. Sad, but might be the reality.
Dickerson said signing with UK is “risky”. I think that’s telling, and pushing people toward guaranteed money. For instance, Johnson may have been ok with 15-18 minutes a game, as long as his money was guaranteed. Sad, but might be the reality.
Agree, if they keep acting like these players care about Kentucky and the name on the front of the jersey they will continue to fall behind
Kentucky fans desperately wanting to cheat is hilarious. Why judge other dirty programs if you want to be a dirty program?
And you think the economy and country are in good shape, see how that works.
dude keep your blinders on and don’t come running when things implode.
Forgive me if I’m being naive here
But I didn’t think that’s how NIL works?
Doesn’t NIL money come from outside the University therefore program staff can’t guarantee anything?
But I didn’t think that’s how NIL works?
Doesn’t NIL money come from outside the University therefore program staff can’t guarantee anything?
He had to deflect and make up some nonsense because he can’t actually say what the NIL issue is. Notice that not a single one of them will give any specifics but will guarantee you there are problems. Just like with our practice facility, no specifics why it’s so bad, just vague accusations that they can’t explain. Nothing is more important than their BS narrative.
They think guys want to transfer and sit the bench. We have the number one recruiting class in the country with Oscar Tshiebwe, Antonio Reeves, and Chris Livingston all eligible to return and they think that’s attractive to transfers. Oh no, it’s not the obvious, it’s NIL that they can’t even begin to explain. Oh and some weird nonsense about I supposedly think the economy is in good shape.
It’s not, they’re utterly clueless. Oops, gotta be politically correct as to not hurt their message board feelings. They are wrong, guaranteeing NIL in the recruiting process is against NCAA rules and state law. It’s also pay for play and not NIL at all.
Come back when yo
Brought to you by your favorite JMI village idiot. Comeback with that nonsense when we start matching Bama and UGA.
Matching Bama and UGA in what clueless one? Is it ever possible for y’all to speak clearly and not vague terms?
Correct. Amazing how many people still can't understand this simple fact.
If Mitch and Cal don’t start “going all in” too funny. They’ve been going at this NIL BS and lying for like a year and still can’t come up with a specific allegation. It’s vague nonsense like start going all in, Barnhart put the handcuffs on, put up roadblocks, holding NIL back, red tape, doesn’t fully support NIL. Watch, every single time they bring up NIL it’s some vague BS with no specifics.
They used to be on the JMI charging for the logo nonsense like every school does because they don’t know how licensing agreements work, and don’t realize that is UK’s name image and likeness and not the players. Half of them think UKs athletics department funds NIL
Now they’re onto guaranteeing NIL money in the recruiting process when that’s illegal by state law and NCAA rules. It’s actually pay for play and not NIL at all. But they don’t understand by we don’t blatantly cheat and violate state law. All NIL deals, real NIL deals, paying a player for their name image and likeness have to be guaranteed by NCAA rule. They can’t be incentive based in any way.
This is the effect KSR and Matt Jones has on this fanbase as 95% of them are KSR chuckleheads built in the image of Ryan Lemond just giggling and buying every word self serving Matt Jones says, incapable of their own thought and unable to do basic research.
They used to be on the JMI charging for the logo nonsense like every school does because they don’t know how licensing agreements work, and don’t realize that is UK’s name image and likeness and not the players. Half of them think UKs athletics department funds NIL
Now they’re onto guaranteeing NIL money in the recruiting process when that’s illegal by state law and NCAA rules. It’s actually pay for play and not NIL at all. But they don’t understand by we don’t blatantly cheat and violate state law. All NIL deals, real NIL deals, paying a player for their name image and likeness have to be guaranteed by NCAA rule. They can’t be incentive based in any way.
This is the effect KSR and Matt Jones has on this fanbase as 95% of them are KSR chuckleheads built in the image of Ryan Lemond just giggling and buying every word self serving Matt Jones says, incapable of their own thought and unable to do basic research.
UK is completely on top of all NIL dealings. No one is doing it better than UK. Unless they are doing something in violation of the rules.
If you have the evidence of your imaginary crimes then you should report that evidence.
Or, the alternative, just whine about shit you know nothing about on a message board.
If you don’t believe Hunter Dickinson was guaranteed a specific amount to play for Kansas, through a collective or otherwise, you’re being naive.
I didn’t say he was or wasn’t guaranteed anything at Kansas, I said that’s against NCAA rules and Kentucky state law. Y’all are mad that we aren’t cheating. If y’all want to cheat just say you want to cheat. Let’s be the gold standard of cheating and hire strippers that squirt to the ceiling like UL and fake AFAM classes like UNC. Just say everyone else is doing it, that’s makes it OK. Especially since we would be treated like everyone else if caught.
I’m curious, just what is it exactly you expect Mitch and Cal to do versus what they are doing.
I can tell you one thing I’d do. I’d hire a full time staff member to investigate every lost recruit for NIL infractions and turn the evidence over to the NCAA. Second thing I’d do is hire attorneys to draft boiler plate for contracts for playing at KY. They want money, then they should be ready to deal with the legal entanglements that go with it.
Who's saying anything about cheating? My point is UK appears woefully behind in their NIL approach.
NIL is working for other schools. why not UK? It's a valid question.
We have the number 1 recruiting class in the country and our best 2 back to back classes in program history in football and we appear woefully behind in NIL? NIL is not working for us?Too funny.
Again, no specifics, just “woefully behind”. In what way are we woefully behind? What is Matt Jones saying or are y’all sticking with woefully behind? Woefully behind Kansas and their 72nd ranked football recruiting class and
Nothing is more important to them than Matt Jones BS narrative. They will will never explain their claims, just swear up and down that the school with the #1 recruiting class in the country is woefully behind.
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How it is supposed to work and how it works are 2 different things. You and I both know that teams/boosters/collectives are using NIL as a recruiting tool and until the NCAA does something about it, they will continue to do it. As for UK, they have been so-so in the transfer portal in it's 2 years (year 3 right now) of existence in basketball. Football has been crushing it. I'd love to know if there is a difference in each programs approach to the transfer portal and NIL, or if it's that football has more immediate opportunities available and basketball has less. But something is off with the basketball team and transfers.
It’s also a fair question to ask: how exactly is UK’s approach to NIL woefully behind that of other schools?
Which specific schools are we behind, and how exactly does the approach of their respective coaches/administration differ from UK’s?
Just trying to understand what facts you’re basing your assertion on.
I’m glad you mentioned the difference between the basketball and football teams with respect to transfers.
The fact that football has done so well in the portal should be a strong indicator to folks that NIL isn’t the problem.
My question revolves around the fact that Kansas got Dickinson and Johnson chose Arizona after Kentucky aggressively pursuing them. Minutes for Dickinson would not have been a question if that's the argument. UK states they will not guarantee NIL money (actually it would be the collective managing it), yet other schools seem to make it happen. To me that's being behind. And let's look at the results. UK has attracted no one. And if you want to say we're bringing in the best recruiting class in some time, fine. Let's see how far four freshmen and two sophomores with little experience take us.
So to paraphrase, the only difference you see between UK and Kansas is that they are willing to guarantee NIL and we are not.
That to you, constitutes “woefully behind?”
People have been cheating in college basketball since the beginning of time. If people want to cheat just to be like everyone else just say it. Don’t come with the Mitch and Cal arenot going all in on NIL nonsense. Just say Mitch and Cal should cheat like everyone else.
I think lack of playing time is the problem in basketball. There are far less holes holes for available playing time in football plus players are far more likely to be willing to sit.
Kansas has filled their roster and UK has 7 players. Judge that how you will.
You keep mentioning cheating and I nor anyone else has said that. Apparently you know how NIL works precisely,
the ins and outs, and why Kentucky hasn't attracted one player in the portal. Please, enlighten us.
Recruiting class rank
Basketball
Kentucky 1
Kansas 7
Football
Kentucky 27
Kansas 72
NIL
Kentucky Woefully behind
Kansas Greatest of all time
Only Kentucky fans tear down their own program to prop up others on a regular basis.
Just what do you think Mitch and Cal can do? They can’t offer a dime. I think the one that doesn’t understand BIL is you and others that think Uk can do a thing. It is cheating to pay for okay. It is a bidding war for NIL compensation. We are losing that war. That’s not on Cal or Mitch. If you understand NIL, you’ll know who that falls on.
Kentucky doesn’t attack guys in the portal because guys in the portal want to play. If you come to UK you’re not starting or even getting quality minutes over our freshman class or potentially Oscar Tshiebwe, Antonio Reeves, or Chris Livingston.
When y’all talk about guaranteeing NIL in the recruiting process you’re talking about cheating because that’s against the rules and against state law.
Our NIL is fine despite the nonsense y’all continuously spew. Almost none of you give to a collective but complain about us being behind in NIL every chance you get.
That's what I've been saying. That it's a "bidding war for NIL compensation and we're losing that war". Granted.
But can't the collectives that control the UK NIL funds do basically what they want? It's not university money.
It seems to me the most likely explanation is simply that Self and his staff have thus far done a better job managing their roster than have Cal and his staff.
Blaming it on NIL sounds like making excuses.
So long as they follow the NIL rules. But if a guy has his hand out for a dollar and you offer 50 cents, you aren’t gonna get that guy. This is where the wheels come off as I understand it. Completely out of UK’s hands.
I don't think Cal is into NIL guarantees regardless if it's cheating or not. Until the NCAA does something about schools working with collectives to offer NIL money as an incentive, I don't blame any school for doing it if that is what they want to do. I'm guessing their is a vague way that collectives are doing this so that it's technically pay for play, but skirting the rules. The whole thing is a mess.
Dickinson basically screamed SHOW ME DA MONEY!! Kansas boosters showed more than KY boosters. We lost. Where does anyone at UK have anything to do with that? Fact is, it is NIL. Trying to pin it on anyone at the university is merely scapegoating.
