I'd Kill For UK To Have The 7 Year Run Bama Has
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Take any of Saban's 5 title years. Put those teams in even a 32 team tournament. Suddenly there's a good chance 5 becomes 3 or less.
And I agree Saban is the best of all time. But even he lost his first playoff game.
I'd like to have that extra title or 2 with Cal as well, but it's harder to win an NCAA tournament with the best team than it is to win one in football with the best team. More often than not, the best basketball team doesn't win it all.
And I agree Saban is the best of all time. But even he lost his first playoff game.
I'd like to have that extra title or 2 with Cal as well, but it's harder to win an NCAA tournament with the best team than it is to win one in football with the best team. More often than not, the best basketball team doesn't win it all.
People seem to forget with Cal that only 3 years was UK truly a dominant team; 2010, 2012, and 2015 and we were champion 1 of the 3. Would I like better? Of course but you can't factor in 2011 and 2014 since a Final Four was an overachievement, I don't care how hyped up the 2014 team was before the season it had serious flaws. My point is I get tired of people saying he has made it to 4 Final Fours and only 1 title when 2 were flat out coaching masterpieces and unbelievable tournament runs through brutal regions that few if any would have predicted.
Maybe there's too much parity in college basketball.
When a team like 2011 and 2014 UConn and 2010 Duke can win titles I can't help but think there's a serious problem.
When a team like 2011 and 2014 UConn and 2010 Duke can win titles I can't help but think there's a serious problem.
2011- Princeton, West Va, Ohio State, NC, UConn
2014- K State, Wichita St, UL, Michigan, Wisconsin, UConn
These are the two masterpieces you speak of, and they were. To have two teams with 7+ losses (even though I think we deserved a higher seed each year than we were given) get past the sweet sixteen was a major accomplishment. In 2011 we knocked out both favorites and in 2014 we took out slew of good teams. For whatever reason, UConn has our number.
What a stupid comparison. Nick Saban doesn't suffer the roster turnover that Cal has in basketball. Football players stay at least 3 years, and in a lot of cases 4. There is no 1 and done phenomenon. That would be like Anthony Davis or John Wall staying at UK 3 years, of course we would have more than 1 title. Coach K, the greatest college basketball coach of all-time has 4 or 5 titles in 30 years. Nick Saban collected 4 in 7? Yet some of you idiots want to compare basketball to football? let Nick Saban lose his entire starting line-up each year, and see how many titles he can rack up. Apples to oranges. Some of you just can't help yourselves can you?
Not even Rupp had the run Saban had... Not even Coach K had the rub Saban had... Only John Wooden. What more do you want? Bring John Wooden back from the dead?
All I ask for is a chance every year. Cal has done that. You need breaks...Bama not in the game if Arkansas does not complete a crazy play against Ole Miss & may not win if best cover guy plays for Clemson. We may win last year if 2 calls go our way against Wisc. Just fate.
There is much less "chance" involved in football. The best team wins the game in a neutral setting at least 95% of the time. In basketball there are so many variables that are out of your control. A significantly inferior team can win a neutral site basketball game if they hit a ton of threes and the better team has an off shooting night. Also as another poster pointed out, there are more games to play in the NCAA tourney. If there was a four team playoff in basketball like there is in football, UK would probably have at least 12 titles by now.
I agree with you in that the teams that have knocked us out of the tournaments are veteran talent. That has nothing to do with what my statement said. I said you can't compare the 2 because Saban is recruiting the best of the best and due to the NFL rules that best talent is having to stay 3-4 years and becoming even better. If the same rules applied to basketball don't you thing Calipari would rule basketball in the same way? Our only downfall is we recruit the best but unlike football our players are not getting the chance to be groomed and seasoned 3-4 years like Saban is doing in football. If you don't think a team that had Wall, Cousins, Bledsoe, Knight, Lamb, Jones, Davis, and Gilchrist, Miller and others wouldn't have dominated College basketball and brought home 2-3 more titles then your kidding yourself. Calipari would own College basketball if he same rules applied to when they could enter the draft.
- Saban gets to keep kids in college at least 3 years vs. Cal gets 1 year minimum.
- To Saban's credit (and Cal's undoing to a small degree IMO) is Saban, especially at QB, plays guys with experience and they execute a very methodological gameplan for him. Saban has had upper class QBs in McElroy, AJ McCarron played young and then was very experienced his last 2 years, Blake Sims, Jake Coker and those guys don't make mistakes. Cal is always running around with tons of inexperience...but I'd argue Cal brings some of that on himself. We should have kids like Teague, Dakari Johnson, Archie Goodwin, Marcus Lee, Twins, etc.. coming back to college and not leaving early as they aren't NBA guys. I think it hurts Cal (and the kids a bit) when you have non NBA guys concentrating on getting to the "League" so much. Some guys need to get thru college and it would help the kids and UK...Saban gets a fair amount of experienced guys to play and that helps his teams win/play with discipline.
- To Saban's credit (and Cal's undoing to a small degree IMO) is Saban, especially at QB, plays guys with experience and they execute a very methodological gameplan for him. Saban has had upper class QBs in McElroy, AJ McCarron played young and then was very experienced his last 2 years, Blake Sims, Jake Coker and those guys don't make mistakes. Cal is always running around with tons of inexperience...but I'd argue Cal brings some of that on himself. We should have kids like Teague, Dakari Johnson, Archie Goodwin, Marcus Lee, Twins, etc.. coming back to college and not leaving early as they aren't NBA guys. I think it hurts Cal (and the kids a bit) when you have non NBA guys concentrating on getting to the "League" so much. Some guys need to get thru college and it would help the kids and UK...Saban gets a fair amount of experienced guys to play and that helps his teams win/play with discipline.
The three year rule is the HUGE elephant in the room for Saban!! What Cal has done in college basketball has been and continues to be amazing!!! If you finished the season ranked in the top four your automatically in the Final Four then Cal would have more rings!! How many times has Cal been a 1 seed? Cause as a 1 seed he'd be in automatically needing just two wins!!
It's much easier to win the CFP Championship.
At the beginning of next season, you can pick a dozen teams and the eventual champion
will likely come from that group. It's like college basketball was through the 1970's. Much fewer
schools were legitimate title contenders. Could John Wooden will 8 titles in 10 years now?
The women's game is like the men's game in the 1960's. UConn is UCLA with very few
viable rivals for the championship.
At the beginning of next season, you can pick a dozen teams and the eventual champion
will likely come from that group. It's like college basketball was through the 1970's. Much fewer
schools were legitimate title contenders. Could John Wooden will 8 titles in 10 years now?
The women's game is like the men's game in the 1960's. UConn is UCLA with very few
viable rivals for the championship.
There has been a playoff for two years and AL won one and lost one. If over the next 7 years AL, or any other team, wins 4 there might be a point here but as it is there isn't. You also have to consider that if there wasn't a tournament in basketball 2 of the years KY plays in the FF would've never occurred because we weren't supposed to be there. I'll take what Cal has done because outside of Wooden/UCLA, and that period comes with an *, no one in basketball has done what the OP is implying Cal should have done if he was as good a coach as Saban; apples and oranges.
And "what could have been if Billy Gillespie was still coach". How soon we forget. Some idiots will never be pleased.
The point is that Saban recruits the best of the best, just like Cal, but Sabans signees have to stay at least 3 years.
VERY good point that I did not think about. How often do you see a star player sit the final minutes of the first half in key games due to foul trouble? I think we need to totally do away with fouling out. Give the other team three free throws for every foul after the fifth foul from a player. People are not paying money to watch star players sit the bench.
Agreed. Being a UK fan, the first game that pops into my mind is Mashburn fouling against Michigan in 1993. We probably win that game if he is in. And fouls are often a judgement call. It stinks to have your star player out because he picked up 2 questionable fouls.
Remember football championships are mostly ballots and computer models. Not to diminish Alabama's accomplishment, but it is not comparable. There has only been 2 championships in football fcs that are even similar. Alabama has won one.
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would someone please tell me who cut-nets is, I have seen this before, the only person I could guess would be zipp,but I don't think our mods would ever let him back on here after what he did here.
I don't care if Saban has 15. Alabama would never have become Alabama as we know it without Bear. Just like Rupp with Kentucky basketball, and Denny Crum with Loserville basketball (seriously prior to Crum who cared about Crummy Loserville?
).Cal would have been a freak if UK could had him right after joe B Hall, of course Cal was jsut a stupid kid then. We will do ok like things are though
You are on a roll. This post could have went in a totally different direction, especially for you.
But you didnt do it, I think someone has hacked your username with all of these sensible postings...
It really is amazing what Nick Saban has done in his time at Alabama. I always pull for Alabama football except of course when they play our cats (even though we never stand a chance against them lol). Alabama football fans are like Kentucky basketball fans, they know what's it like to be on top of mountain and to be hated by all.
I absoultely agree. We're the Evil Empire of SEC basketball, Alabama is the Evil Empire of SEC of football
Where in the heck is EvIlBlUebAllS???? He was a fixture here for a while...
He did a lot of what Smash and PT are doing now for a year or two. I guess it wore on him...
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