Competitive college sports are big business, supported by big TV money. Surely you don't believe the business world works on the fairness principle. Campuses live for hundreds of years, but coaches come and go. It doesn't matter whether we think it is a fair deal for a high school player to be tied to a school if the coach who recruited him leaves. What matters is that players have a choice, and receive a free education which they earn as members of their teams. So my answer to your question is this. High school players are given 5 official campus visits and limitless unofficial visits. They should use those visits well, become familiar with every important feature of the schools and campuses on their list, then choose a school that suits them regardless of the coach. The coach should play the central role in explaining the goals of the program, but it is the job of players and their parents to identify the long term goals and values of their families.
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I don't disagree that a kid shouldn't make his choice based on the college and what it offers him, but where we aren't seeing eye to eye is this. Many of these kids don't have a responsible adult in their life to help them make that decision, they are 17-18 year old kids with no one to turn to for help. Everyone of the top 250 kids "knows" they are going to the league within 4 years, if not sooner. But very few that group of kids choose a school based on what major they offer, they base it on the offense or defense they run that gives them the best chance to showcase their skills, read their updates, they talk about how well they will fit in an offense or defense, how they liked the coaches, not how much they liked the math and science professors or college president. The LOI is just a one sided deal for the schools and binds the kid to that school, that contract a coach signs for 5 years but leaves after 2 with a booster paying the buyout is also a legal document in the business world, but the coach can bolt and not have to sit a year. As you said college football is big business and a 5 mil buyout isn't anything if a school wants your coach, he can leave and coach against you next week. Don't be surprised if next signing day more kids opt out of signing an LOI and only sign finacial papers with a school. And that is a direct result of kids being lied to and coaches leaving, and as a fan I don't like that, but as a parent I would be all in with it. My coach leaves after signing day, I would be looking at my options.
My limb might not be as strong as i first believed. Kendall is headed to Oklahoma for a visit this week. Appears to be a new player for him. If doesn't com to uk this weekend for a visit, might not be a good sigh. Just my rumblings. Appears he likes Lincoln Riley, the new OC at Oklahoma.
A good move would be UK offering his brother a scholarship, even an academic scholarship, to seal the deal. That happens at quite a few places around the south.
Maybe his brother isn't a major factor for AK, but I bet mom and dad wouldn't be too upset. Saving out of state tuition over the course of 4-5 years ends up being quite a chunk of change, at least it would for most.
But deals like that happen all the time, UGA offered a decent female BB player a scholarship last season, maybe didn't seal the deal with a 5* kid, but he signed with us and a few years back the Ogletree twins, one 6'3" 220 and future first round pick, the other 5'10" 205 and reserve fullback. OM offered Tunsil's brother a 5'9" 145 lb WR with a 4.9 40 plus Tunsil's gf an academic scholarship. Those are off the top of my head. I guess you have to determine if the one guy is good enough to justify 2 scholarships.
But deals like that happen all the time, UGA offered a decent female BB player a scholarship last season, maybe didn't seal the deal with a 5* kid, but he signed with us and a few years back the Ogletree twins, one 6'3" 220 and future first round pick, the other 5'10" 205 and reserve fullback. OM offered Tunsil's brother a 5'9" 145 lb WR with a 4.9 40 plus Tunsil's gf an academic scholarship. Those are off the top of my head. I guess you have to determine if the one guy is good enough to justify 2 scholarships.
His brother is already at UK. I don't think your idea would seal the deal. To me, it looks like Kendall realizes he made a hasty decision when he committed to Tennessee. Now he intends to take his visits and make a careful decision. That's smart. I am confident that UK will be a finalist, but I have never been in the camp that thinks this is over. The longer he looks, the less likely that he will pick UK. In the best case scenario, he looks at other schools for another couple of weeks and then commits to UK. If this drags into the summer, then I don't like our chances.
Lot of truth in this. Seems the hope was to get a commit from him this weekend. Still could but it's looking less likely because he may want to take other visits. Has he been to Auburn yet? Some talk about UF and Michigan too. May take awhile for this to play out.
That was for this past weekend (I believe)...rumors were that he was going to visit...he had the QB camp though.
LAST weekend was spring break, why visit when the campus is essentially shut down? THIS weekend the team is present and practice is ongoing, a better time to visit one would think. Regardless, if he's visiting OU and not coming to UK....that's a huge red flag.
I knew his brother was already a walkon at UK, maybe it would sealthe deal but it would certainly make a very attractive option for the family. Admittly I haven't kept up much with his recruiting since we got a qb commit this session and things may have changed with him, but when we were still recruiting qbs he was looking for a pro style offense and attended some camps with UGA looking for an offer, but we were all in on Eason and were going to be until he told us no, so he never got that offer. I don't think AU is much of a threat, while a spread offense it isn't a pass based offense but more of an option offense with a dive, qb coming down the line and a pitch man, with the added option of a receiver downfield. Its crucial that the qb be a big running threat. I think AK is much more skilled throwing the ball and isn't looking for an offense that puts him in that position regularly.
No idea what his timeline for committing is though, but the sooner the better for UK I would think. Maybe the scholarship for his brother wouldn't be a deal sealer, but it couldn't hurt UK's chances and with recruiting today you have to use every advantage you can get because its a cutthroat business.
He has a relationship with Riley. That's the pull. I'll admit I don't like this visit. I know UK will not wait on him beyond the end of Spring practice. Right now he's their guy but that can't last long if Kendall wants to wait. Also Bob Stoops needs a big year next year. Ok fans are restless after last years collapse.
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Getting beat by your instate rival and hammered in a couple of losses will warm the coach's seat up pretty quick. But with TCU and Baylor stepping up like they have turned the conference upside down. But OU could be in for a big slide, until the last couple of years OU only had to battle Texas and occasionally A&M to pull elite kids out of Texas, now with Baylor and TCU stepping up like they have and A&M being in the SEC, they aren't getting near as many of those elite kids as they did 5 years ago.
At least there is a little football talk here, on our board the hot topic is one of our qb candidates has a ponytail, and it isn't even a long one and board is in hot debate over it.
At least there is a little football talk here, on our board the hot topic is one of our qb candidates has a ponytail, and it isn't even a long one and board is in hot debate over it.
You are correct. I think he reported the same for the past weekend as well, because speculation was heating up.
Kendall has said in interviews that he will be visiting again for spring practice...hopefully that much is true.
Relax. They were heavily recruiting him even before the official scholly offer. I'd feel better about him committing to UK knowing he looked and weighed heavily his other options - to prevent another decommit as he already did to UT.
Same old story boys & girls, want UK to get elite talent? Want us to get better on the field? Then it takes us going after players who are also gonna be heavily pursued by other programs. And with the great talent evaluators our staff is, we are always gonna be competing against heavy hitter programs like Oklahoma, Mich St, Va Tech, South Carolina, Florida.
As has been said many times on here, if bigtime recruiting makes you a nervous nelly, makes you into a THEY SKY IS FALLING! panic pal, then maybe don't follow recruiting?
Some are anxious because of his visits but whether we like it or not he was very happy with the Tennessee offer and then to watch them keep recruiting QBs was probably a blow. He's not going to make another bad decision so I expect him to weigh all of his options. He said recently on a video that Kentucky was at the top of his list right now, thats big that he would say that now, I feel good about the kid but he will take this one slowly unless something unexpectly happens while he is here this weekend.
I looked at some of UGA's archived articles about AK to see what he was saying a year ago. He was looking for a pro style offense to play in, which limits his choices today, he could run if he had to but that wasn't his first option. For UK to land him I think Towles, or Barker, are patient and not in a rush to pull the ball down and run it. I think it will be crucial factor from what he said early in his recruitment. Makes me think AU is not really in the mix because their qb runs a lot. Thats what teams will use against UK in his recruitment. So qb play this year is a big deal with him.
All well & good, but UK can't sit around and wait well into the '15 season for Kendall to make up his mind IMO. UK can't afford to not sign a starter-level QB in this class. And if AK is expanding his interest list, scheduling even more visits rather than coming to a decision, then UK might need to move its primary focus to someone else.
I agree, getting a qb in place early is important for the class, at least the offenisve side of the ball. I think he is just looking around a little to make sure he finds an offense he feels the most comfortable with. Best case certainly isn't him waiting until fall, but just about everyone would take him even if he did that. Two things in UK;s favor is most of the P5 schools who run a pro style offense have a qb committed for this cycle and the big thing is his brother is already at UK.
Looks that way. Part of the attraction is Lincoln Riley. He had a previously relationship with him and he will let Kendall throw the ball 40 times a game. The issue if I'm Kendall and advising him is that he better hope Riley is the answer because Oklahoma looked like crap losing 40-6 to Clemson and while Stoops seat isn't hot, it's pretty warm right how.
OP was off base, but you are probably right this time. Some of us have said all along that time does not favor Kentucky with Kendall. Kendall's brother is already at Kentucky, so I disagree with Grumpy. Giving the brother a scholarship would not change anything except that Stoops would have 1 less scholarship to give. Stoops and Dawson have actually done a great job of recruiting Kendall. They could not do more than they have done. But I don't think it will be enough. Kentucky is on his short list, but I do not think Kendall will sign with Kentucky. Will probably come down to Oklahoma and Auburn. Although Kendall seems to be leaning to Oklahoma, Gus might still get him. Kentucky must sign a quarterback in 2016. Stoops has offered other quarterbacks and he will get a good 1. Keeping Marrow and getting Dawson are more important at this point. Obviously signing Kendall would have been a breakthrough, but we already have a junior and a freshman quarterback who were highly rated. We will win 6-7 games in the fall, and Stoops' next recruiting class will be his best yet. To be honest, Stoops' offensive recruiting has been better than his defensive recruiting so far. Right now, we need defensive linemen and linebackers more than we need another 4 star quarterback, although getting all of those would be even better.
UK will have to show they can win more for this to happen with frequency imo. I'd hazard 7 wins/yr regularly is the tipping point. Probably need six this year to show way are moving that way, but that doesn't help with AK today.
Additionally, a passer with little run inclination/ability, as I understand he is, wants a solid OL in front to allow him to showcase his skills for the next level. I think he's about the next level vs. a particular school with the way he's going about recruiting - an open path to start quickly & good pro set OC. UK just doesn't have a proven OL yet & I think it's hurting us here. Towles' & I think Barker's running skills & raw strength help us survive with a lesser OL till a better one develops. We collectively should appreciate that asset.
BD, you can down play the potential loss of Kendall all you want but make no mistake...it would sting. It would mean that UK has probably lost out on their 2 top '16 QB targets in Kendall and deWeaver. Sure there are others out there and UK may find one but they made those 2 a priority for a reason.
Odd response. I didn't play down anything. It is what it is. Stoops offers scholarships to lots of 4-stars. We will never get all of them. No coach does. You should keep up. Kendall recently visited Oklahoma and Auburn. Kendall himself says Oklahoma is his leader now, and he will announce soon. In recruiting, these things happen. They have happened before, and they will happen again. The difference between us is that I am still optimistic. There are a lot of fish in the sea, and I trust Stoops. I expect a bowl in 2015, followed by Stoops' best recruiting class yet. What you expect is up to you.
dont be so quick on deweaver. i think that relationship may be heating back up. still early but rumor is.... he's still interested. the kid from georgia just got offered as well and you got to think this staff wants to lock up a qb quick so i'd say one of those 2 either commits before june or we are looking at guys not even thought of yet. but dude is right. we have to sign a really good qb in this class. he cant be a marginal talent guy.
that being said, im still not sold on deweaver as a pocket passer. i am definitely no qb scout by any means but i dont know if he's accurate enough to be game changer in college. he's got a strong arm and throws a pretty ball though. should hear more about his accuracy this summer in camps though. if rumors are true... hopefully his accuracy is better than i thought it was.
Thanks for the link. It's a highlight film, so of course it plays him up. But he obviously throws the deep ball well, and runs very well. Very few high school quarterbacks walk right onto a college campus ready to run a spread offense and fit passes accurately into tight seams. That has to be learned, which explains why most Big 5 conference quarterbacks get redshirted. DeWeaver has size, strength, and skills. He will be an important addition wherever he signs. It goes without saying that we are having some pretty good recruiting luck in Ohio this year. At this point, we have a better shot at DeWeaver than Kendall.
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