Only A gut feeling. I really believe Kendall has already told Dawson & Stoops he is coming to Uk. I think he will take maybe a couple more visits, Just to enjoy the process. Too much , good vibes from Rowland & UK sources in the main stream. Sure hope I am Right.
I am going out o a limb in this post
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Of all the limbs you go out on...this one is the strongest by far. Anything can happen in recruiting but I think UK is in really good shape with Kendall.
Not a bad thought, but I don't see much reason to keep it a silent verbal. He could commit to us and still go on those visits without any problems. Happens all the time. They won't stop recruiting him just because he said he is coming here, just like we didn't stop when he said he was going to Tennessee. I think our odds of getting him are very good, but I don't know why he would go ahead and tell the coaches without just making it official.
Honestly if he's gonna be the crown jewel of the class and bring in other guys, he shouldn't be going on other visits.
But I think we get him after the weekend...huge feather in the cap if so! High fives all around!
don't think it is a done deal, or silent verbal delivered yet. but indications are things are going well with his recruitment, and if he really likes what he sees on his next visit (in a week or so?) watching Spring practices, it will become a done deal.
I think he waits till the team is back practicing at the least. Probably till after the NCAA hoopla is over. Why let that steal some thunder? April 12 sounds like a good date to me.
If he commits but keeps making visits, the commit won't mean much - see his TN commit - & we need to be securing another QB as backup plan. Net, besides the commit, we need to see him stop visits to be confident he's ours.
His brother should be his biggest recruiter. If I had the choice of playing with my brother, it would be a no brainer. However, I realize this kid is a big time talent and that he is getting bombarded by the Big Boys. I just hope that having his brother here will be a big factor in his decision.
Limb is looking good, go on out and make room for me too.
The view gets better the farther out we go!
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The view gets better the farther out we go!
Go Cats!
He's been quoted saying he wants to visit Michigan in April. I wouldn't jump off a bridge if we don't get a commitment immediately following his next visit here. I'm hopeful that it won't take longer than a month
Even if this was true, which I doubt, we ought to know by now that a signed scholarship faxed to our athletics dept. is the only good vibe you get from a player. Rumors are generally worthless. Rowland is not in the good vibe business. He is in the prediction business, and I agree with what he has said about Kendall so far. The sooner Kendall announces, the better for Stoops. But the longer Kendall waits, the worse. If you want evidence that your theory probably isn't true, look no further than the fact that CVM is still aggressively recruiting DeWeaver, and that Kendall is talking about the recent Auburn scholarship offer. I hope Kendall signs with Kentucky, and I believe we have a good chance. But I have seen a lot of these done deal posts come and go, and they are always wrong.
A rare overstatement, "always" is way too strong a word there. I think Drake, for instance, is a VERY high chance of being here after being a "done deal". But even if he is a "done deal", what if UK got the death penalty (fat chance with the scaredy cats, considering the incompetence of the NCAA, running the UK atheltics program). Still I am very glad we aren't close to being Transfer U or Thug U.
As far as the OP being on a very strong limb, it depends, when he is trimming a tree does he cut the limb off past where he is sitting or closer to the trunk?
I think we are in a very strong position with Kendall, but I won't feel that confident until he signs on the dotted line. A bowl game this year would go a long way to making me feel a lot better about him and this class, it would be great to add him to Drake as a magnet for this class.
This post was edited on 3/18 1:41 PM by jauk11
As far as the OP being on a very strong limb, it depends, when he is trimming a tree does he cut the limb off past where he is sitting or closer to the trunk?
I think we are in a very strong position with Kendall, but I won't feel that confident until he signs on the dotted line. A bowl game this year would go a long way to making me feel a lot better about him and this class, it would be great to add him to Drake as a magnet for this class.
This post was edited on 3/18 1:41 PM by jauk11
Actually we've not been recruiting Deweaver nearly as hard lately. That's a big reason for the recent rumors that he went from a UK lean to a Michigan St lean. We're going all in on Kendall
UK fans should feel good about Kendall, right now I think they are sitting pretty good with him. Right now, I think the only team that should be of any concern is Michigan, assuming they are going to run some kind of pro style offense. Back in spring and early summer when UGA's Rivals were still doing interviews with him he talked about wanting to play in a pro style offense. Harbaugh who is searching hard for a qb. He is in contact with UGA's qb commit and wanting a visit and apparently Kendall as well. If Eason decommits and opens it back up, Kendall would likely be approached by UGA's staff too. But Eason seems pretty solid, is recruiting pretty hard for UGA right now and has a visit scheduled for the next Jr. day and is bringing in some highly ranked WR to visit with him. But as we all saw this past signing class, no one is a done deal until the fax is in, and UGA has one who still hasn't and isn't going to sign a LOI, just the scholarship/financial papers. That might be the start of a new trend unfortunately.
We seem to be in a good position to get Kendall. I hope it works out. Kendall talked last week about receiving a scholarship offer from Auburn. I can't get into his head, but to me that doesn't sound like a kid who has already committed. If I was Kendall, I would be attracted to the opportunity at Kentucky because of the new coordinator and the recruiting bonanza that seems to be happening in Lexington every year at the receiver position. But Kentucky has not signed a quarterback rated as high as Kendall since Tim Couch, and there are obvious reasons. Kendall's big brother is a walk-on receiver at Kentucky, but it is not a 1 way ticket to Lexington. I don't see a comparison between Kendall and Drake Jackson. Jackson is a lifelong hard core Kentucky fan who lives 20 minutes from campus. A commitment this month or next would not surprise me. But I am not buying the OP's theory about the silent verbal.
IMO any kid that has most of the big time schools after his is foolish to sign a LOI. Sign the SS papers and if some of the reasons that you wanted to go to a school blows up you are not tied and can move on. Schools will keep a slot for them. Signing SS papers is more than a verbal commitment but you still have an out if something changes that changes your mind. Its a win win for the recruit. Once he signs the SS papers the school must honor them but he can back out.
If this becomes too widespread I would expect the NCAA to address it with some new legislation. The LOI is too one sided for the schools and the signing SS papers bit is too one sided for the recruits. IMO there needs to be a happy medium in both instances. It needs to be spelled out when and how either could become null and void. I think it is a really bad rule that SSs are only for one year but a kid must sit out a year if he wants to transfer. That is the first unequal rule that needs to be addressed. If the schools want to keep their 1 year SS rule than kids should not have to sit out a year for transferring. What is worst in that scenario is that a school can take away a kids SS and he still must sit out a year. That is pure BS.
If this becomes too widespread I would expect the NCAA to address it with some new legislation. The LOI is too one sided for the schools and the signing SS papers bit is too one sided for the recruits. IMO there needs to be a happy medium in both instances. It needs to be spelled out when and how either could become null and void. I think it is a really bad rule that SSs are only for one year but a kid must sit out a year if he wants to transfer. That is the first unequal rule that needs to be addressed. If the schools want to keep their 1 year SS rule than kids should not have to sit out a year for transferring. What is worst in that scenario is that a school can take away a kids SS and he still must sit out a year. That is pure BS.
I agree, the LOI is 100% in the colleges favor. But the coach responsible for them signing the LOI of a particular school can move on the day after signing day without any penalty. The thing with Roquan Smith, the guy who signed the SS papers with UGA but no LOI, was he committed to UCLA about 11:30. By the time all the hand shaking was done the ladies in the office had gone to lunch and fax was locked up. Mora was calling and telling him to sign and send the fax the LOI right then but office was locked. While out with his HS coach, word got to him his position coach, lead recruiter and DC was taking a job with the Falcons. Now my guess is someone in the Falcon office got word to his HS coach. His recruiter denied it, Mora told him to get the fax in, right then, but he didn't sign, next day Falcons announced his recruiters hiring and a week later he signed the SS papers with UGA. So recruiting is a dirty business, with the schools holding all the cards, it looks like we are benefiting from the office ladies going out to lunch, but if they hadn't, he would be at UCLA and most likely not very happy about being lied to by his head coach.
Grumpy I had heard the story on xm about the kid who was goin to ucla and then his lead recruiter was taking a job elsewhere and nobody told him about it. The crew on the radio didn't know that he didn't send in a fax yet and they were talking about how ucla pulled off a fast one on the kid. Basically bragging on how shrewd and cunning the staff was. Lol I guess it all back fired on em!!
As far as Kendall goes the best thing for him to do and for the staff is to get him committed and do so publicly because other top notch players will follow him.
That's one reason i argued on here to people about Harris, if he was coming the best thing for him to do was to commit so other top players would also come along as well. When he never would you knew he wasn't coming here.
As far as Kendall goes the best thing for him to do and for the staff is to get him committed and do so publicly because other top notch players will follow him.
That's one reason i argued on here to people about Harris, if he was coming the best thing for him to do was to commit so other top players would also come along as well. When he never would you knew he wasn't coming here.
Smith was pretty upset about how it all went down. The last conversation he had with his UCLA recruiter the coach told him it was just rumors and nothing to it. Mora was not happy he didn't immediately send the fax in, in fact he wanted it sent at 8 Georgia time which was 4 AM UCLA time, so yeah it was a pretty obvious attempt to pull one over on the kid and get him signed before word leaked.
As for as the QB helping with getting commits, I am really not sure how much that helps. Eason is the top rated pro-style qb for the 16 class, been committed since July and as today, we have gotten zero commits due to him being committed to UGA. The kid who committed with him was coming to UGA regardless, both parents UGA grads, he was/is longtime fan, about 30 minutes away. But UGA has a new offenisve staff change since last season if you consider the RB coach moving to WR coach and over the last 2 seasons and entire new staff other Richt. Bryan McClendon is still on staff but coaching a different position.
I am expecting our recruiting to really start to suffer, UT and AU are allowing over 5500 for their cost of attendance stipend, 2 of the schools we have to fight the hardest for kids, while UGA is paying 1700,least in the SEC by a pretty large margin. I don't see how there can possibly be 4k difference.
From Grumpy above: "I am expecting our recruiting
to really start to suffer, UT and AU are allowing over 5500 for their
cost of attendance stipend, 2 of the schools we have to fight the
hardest for kids, while UGA is paying 1700,least in the SEC by a pretty
large margin. I don't see how there can possibly be 4k difference.3/19 5:55 AM | IP: Logged"
What else would you expect from Auburn and TU?
As I stated in the thread I opened when the article about the different "payouts" available for athletes first came out, about PSU, the can of worms has been opened. Should athletes, particularly in the money sports, get some more of the benefits of their labor (and they already get a lot, especially at some "Universities"), yes, should it become a recruiting tool, no. Can you imagine what hurtt's best buddy at the U could have done with the $930,000,000 he took in from his suckers, and it looks like it could have been all legal. Hell, if jurich can afford to give BP a FOUR HUNDRED PERCENT raise (when no legitimate University of Higher Education would even hire him) plus GIVE him a $500,000 bonus for NOTHING then imagine how much he can afford to spend on this------I mean legally, this time. He wouldn't even have to use hurtt to distribute the money.
But on the other hand, I suppose that you hadn't heard that TU advertises Knoxville as the New York of the South.
Edit: Anyone have an idea of why the above post was printed in a different format and fine type when I did nothing different, and my next post appears normal when again I did nothing different.
This post was edited on 3/19 7:07 AM by jauk11
to really start to suffer, UT and AU are allowing over 5500 for their
cost of attendance stipend, 2 of the schools we have to fight the
hardest for kids, while UGA is paying 1700,least in the SEC by a pretty
large margin. I don't see how there can possibly be 4k difference.3/19 5:55 AM | IP: Logged"
What else would you expect from Auburn and TU?
As I stated in the thread I opened when the article about the different "payouts" available for athletes first came out, about PSU, the can of worms has been opened. Should athletes, particularly in the money sports, get some more of the benefits of their labor (and they already get a lot, especially at some "Universities"), yes, should it become a recruiting tool, no. Can you imagine what hurtt's best buddy at the U could have done with the $930,000,000 he took in from his suckers, and it looks like it could have been all legal. Hell, if jurich can afford to give BP a FOUR HUNDRED PERCENT raise (when no legitimate University of Higher Education would even hire him) plus GIVE him a $500,000 bonus for NOTHING then imagine how much he can afford to spend on this------I mean legally, this time. He wouldn't even have to use hurtt to distribute the money.
But on the other hand, I suppose that you hadn't heard that TU advertises Knoxville as the New York of the South.
Edit: Anyone have an idea of why the above post was printed in a different format and fine type when I did nothing different, and my next post appears normal when again I did nothing different.
This post was edited on 3/19 7:07 AM by jauk11
Grumpy -
Perception-wise, a top ranked QB that commits to UK will have a much more dramatic effect on our recruiting class than a top ranked QB at UGA would. It's nothing unusual for UGA to land a top ranked (or the top ranked) QB every couple of years. It would be eye opening to recruits for UK to do so.
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Perception-wise, a top ranked QB that commits to UK will have a much more dramatic effect on our recruiting class than a top ranked QB at UGA would. It's nothing unusual for UGA to land a top ranked (or the top ranked) QB every couple of years. It would be eye opening to recruits for UK to do so.
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One other thing, Grumpy. I know it's a bit of a love/hate relationship between UGA fans and Richt, but 15 years at an SEC school is unheard of these days. Great person, very good coach.
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Thx DACats, Richt has his moments that make you think WTH, but like you say he is a good man who cares about his players and former players. Paul Oliver, a former player for UGA and Richt, committed suicide last year. It really hit Richt hard, he started a program for former players to help them after their days at UGA was over, connects them with other former players who have companies, alumni who can offer jobs and alumni who can help with things like depression. Maybe everyone does that, they should, but I haven't heard much about it. Most of us have come to accept Richt is going to have a game or 2 per year that makes you wonder if we had practice that week, and its going to keep us out of the playoffs. But we can always hope, most feel the staff we have now is the best ever on both sides of the ball. I have never been excited about Bobo as an OC, elite recruiter, but average OC and wanted to keep the qb happy with his play calling. I don't know much about the new one, Shotty because I can't spell his name, other than he has been an OC in the NFL for the last 11 years.
Just this week, a friend of mine went to the first spring practice, got to meet him for first time and Richt called his son who is 12 and talked to him 5 minutes. Told him to work on those grades, make good decisions and obey his mom and dad, pretty cool thing to do for someone he had never met.
As for the impact a QB recruit would have, traditionally it is the position we have the most trouble recruiting. Going by the ranking services, we have 2 4* guys and the rest are 3* and both of the 4* were athletes coming out of HS not WR. We would be very near the bottom of the conference in that area. Now my theory is WR have a little bigger ego than other offensive players and want to put up huge numbers, 80+ catches, 1000+ yards season, that just isn't going to happen at UGA. Even when we are throwing the ball a lot, we play 6-8 WR every game and usually have that many with 20+ catches and the leading receiver about 50, maybe 55. That just isn't attractive to elite WR and they avoid us. Even AJ Green didn't break 70 receptions for a year. Add to if they don't block they don't see the field we just aren't attractive to elite WR. But I guess it works out, except for last year it has been pretty good the last few years.
But Eason is trying, he is calling and talking to several highly rated guys and they are visiting when he comes for a spring practice, but we aren't near the lead for any of them.
This post was edited on 3/19 8:36 PM by Grumpyolddawg
There was talk of him visiting this weekend. He's opted for a camp in Atlanta. I suspect he will be here next week. Hope he likes how Dawson works the QBs.
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Its a pretty big Rivals camp, can't remember what they are calling it, but its suppose to be a real big one, kids have a real chance to improve their stock. UGA had a Jr. scheduled for tomorrow but changed it to next weekend because of the camp and so many kids trying to decide which way to go.
The LOI is primarily in the college's favor, but not 100%. Once the player signs, the coaches know they can count on him. This happens in February, which is the time of year when coaches are making their plans for spring and fall. In some situations, it can be to a player's advantage to be in the coaches' early plans. There is also the matter of scholarship availability. Whether or not a player signs a LOI, he still falls under the 25/85 scholarship limits unless he walks on. He probably can't expect the coach to save him a scholarship without making a firm commitment to the school. So I don't think this is a simple question. If a player is elite, he holds most of the cards. But that is only a small minority of players. Most players are better off signing the LOI and nailing down their scholarship. If the coach leaves, that's a bummer for the player but it is fairly rare. This points out why players should take their allotted campus visits, pay careful attention, and make a thoughtful decision based on everything the school offers them.
While the LOI does the things you say, the financial aid papers Smith signed with UGA does the same thing, it saves his spot on the roster. The school is bound to him just as firm as with a LOI, the difference is the kid can change his mind and go elsewhere without sitting a year, relieving the first school of responsibility, providing he doesn't enroll in classes. It would work the same for a 2* kid as it would for a 5* kid, except the chances of the 2* kid getting that option are quite a bit less. I don't know if what Smith did starts a trend, I hope not, but it is by far a better situation for the kid that the LOI.
I wasn't disagreeing with your premise. It's mostly true. But it can be to a player's advantage to be firmly in his coach's early plans. A signed LOI guarantees the coach that the player will be there in the fall. By themselves, the financial papers don't.
As a fan, I want that LOI signed and sent in, and as a coach I would want that signed LOI signed and sent in because it ties that athlete to that school or he is penalized a year. But as a parent, or an athlete, when your lead recruiter, position coach or coordinator announces he is leaving a day or two after signing day, and they were the reason I chose that school, I would feel betrayed and lied to. If there were a grace period that allowed the athlete out of the LOI, say a week, to void it when that coach or recruiter moved on to another school would be a good compromise. Of course the announcements could just be delayed until after that grace period and void the whole thing.
Do you think its a fair deal for the kid to be tied to a school if the coach who recruited him there leaves the day after signing day? That coach is more than likely the reason he signed at that school to begin with.
Do you think its a fair deal for the kid to be tied to a school if the coach who recruited him there leaves the day after signing day? That coach is more than likely the reason he signed at that school to begin with.
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