Hoosier state: Dumb as we wanna' be

[Samwise Ganjee]

Controversial Indiana Law Puts Pressure on N.C.A.A. and Other Leagues[/B]

by Marc Tracy
The New York Times
Friday March 27, 2015

A new law in Indiana allowing businesses to refuse service to same-sex couples in the name of religious freedom has put sports officials under pressure to evaluate whether to hold major events in Indianapolis.

Gov. Mike Pence, a Republican, signed the bill Thursday. Soon after, the N.C.A.A. president, Mark Emmert, said in a statement that the association was "deeply committed to providing an inclusive environment for all our events. We are especially concerned about how this legislation could affect our student-athletes and employees."

This post was edited on 3/27 11:56 AM by Samwise Ganjee

Controversial Indiana Law Puts Pressure on N.C.A.A

 

[CatCop]

I like the law.

 

[Samwise Ganjee]

Originally posted by CatCop:

I like the law.

Then you like hiding behind Jesus to exercise your personal prejudices

Jus sayin' Copper

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Before you throw stones, know that Kentucky passed basically the same law about 3 years ago.

 

[Samwise Ganjee]

Originally posted by bigblueinsanity:

Before you throw stones, know that Kentucky passed basically the same law about 3 years ago.

There's no geographic constraint on stupidity, is there?

 

[ukfan79]

Originally posted by CatCop:

I like the law.

Whatever bigot.

 

[MdWIldcat55]

If only there were a board where political threads were appropriate....unlike this one, which is about Kentucky basketball.

 

[UPSCat4080]

Originally posted by CatCop:

I like the law.

I am a Christian first of all, but you sir are ignorant. Jesus never turned anyone away during his time on Earth (actually spent more time with the sinners than the high profile church leaders and that ruffled feathers), so why should anyone else? Serving a same-sex couple in a restaurant does not mean that you support what they are doing. Does my religious beliefs agree with what they are doing? No. Am I going to hate them or treat them any different than I would anyone else on the street? No.

Some people are complete morons.

 

[Ugoff]

Originally posted by MdWIldcat55:
If only there were a board where political threads were appropriate....unlike this one, which is about Kentucky basketball.

Agree. Get this crap out of here.

 

[ukfan79]

Originally posted by MdWIldcat55:
If only there were a board where political threads were appropriate....unlike this one, which is about Kentucky basketball.

It's definitely relevant to basketball. So not sure what your issue is with posting it here.

 

[Dreklie]

People who are racist or hate gay people make me laugh hahahahahaha. Morons.

This post was edited on 3/27 12:14 PM by Dreklie

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Originally posted by Samwise Ganjee:

Originally posted by bigblueinsanity:

Before you throw stones, know that Kentucky passed basically the same law about 3 years ago.

There's no geographic constraint on stupidity, is there?

Sadly there is not.

 

[EliteBlue]

It's the correct law. Not because people should discriminate against anyone but because a private business owner should be allowed to refuse service to whomever they please. If that effects their business then so be it, but it's their choice.

If you come to my soup shop and don't order correctly, "No soup for you!" -- there are cheese steak places in philly that do just this.

If I'm a bar owner and want to kick everyone out that is wearing rival gear then I can. Now if my bar Is in Louisville that may hurt business.

 

[CatCop]

Originally posted by Samwise Ganjee:

Originally posted by CatCop:

I like the law.

Then you like hiding behind Jesus to exercise your personal prejudices

Jus sayin' Copper

hiding behind deviant sexual proclivities while forcing others to accept your lifestyle is not prejudiced? LOL!

 

[CatCop]

Originally posted by bigblueinsanity:

Originally posted by Samwise Ganjee:

Originally posted by bigblueinsanity:

Before you throw stones, know that Kentucky passed basically the same law about 3 years ago.

There's no geographic constraint on stupidity, is there?

Sadly there is not.

I live in the same town as you Sanity.

 

[*CatinIL*]

I thought this was going to be a Tom Crean thread...oh well.

This needs to be booted over to the Paddock

 

[wldktz8]

Originally posted by Samwise Ganjee:

Originally posted by bigblueinsanity:

Before you throw stones, know that Kentucky passed basically the same law about 3 years ago.

There's no geographic constraint on stupidity, is there?

The real stupidity is suing a company because they will not service you. Go to another business that will. I am for this bill. There are many companies that support the gay agenda. However if I run a photography business I should not be FORCED to service a gay couples wedding if I do not support it or be put out of business by a lawsuit. The real low downs are the ones who sue a business just because they wouldn't service them. Go find a business that will.

 

[far_away_fan]

Originally posted by UPSCat4080:

Originally posted by CatCop:

I like the law.

I am a Christian first of all, but you sir are ignorant. Jesus never turned anyone away during his time on Earth (actually spent more time with the sinners than the high profile church leaders and that ruffled feathers), so why should anyone else? Serving a same-sex couple in a restaurant does not mean that you support what they are doing. Does my religious beliefs agree with what they are doing? No. Am I going to hate them or treat them any different than I would anyone else on the street? No.

Some people are complete morons.

(As a preamble, I don't like laws of this type either...)

Just curious... Would you say that catering a wedding for a same-sex couple means that you support that they are getting married? Would you say that officiating a wedding for a same-sex couple means that you support what that they are getting married?

I think those two scenarios are different from each other and different from the scenario of serving people in a restaurant that you held as your example. I think denying service in each of these three different situations implies something very different about the person denying the service.

While Jesus never turned anyone away that doesn't seem to imply that he would have officiated a same-sex wedding. It certainly seems to me that he would have shared a meal with such a couple (or served them dinner or washed their feet). My point is only that there is some subtlety with this issue. There is room for honest debate on both sides without immediately resorting to name calling.

 

[CatCop]

Originally posted by UPSCat4080:

Originally posted by CatCop:

I like the law.

I am a Christian first of all, but you sir are ignorant. Jesus never turned anyone away during his time on Earth (actually spent more time with the sinners than the high profile church leaders and that ruffled feathers), so why should anyone else? Serving a same-sex couple in a restaurant does not mean that you support what they are doing. Does my religious beliefs agree with what they are doing? No. Am I going to hate them or treat them any different than I would anyone else on the street? No.

Some people are complete morons.

Christ never condoned the sinners lifestyle. He talked heavily about what one needed to enter the kingdom heaven. He spent time with them to get them to repent and believe in him. But of course as a real Christian you'd know this.

 

[uk78]

I own a business and don't want to serve anyone from Indiana. I wish the NCAA would pull the tourney from Indiana. Sorry whatever your "religious" beliefs there is no right to treat others with disrespect or lack of service.

 

[MdWIldcat55]

Originally posted by ukfan79:

Originally posted by MdWIldcat55:
If only there were a board where political threads were appropriate....unlike this one, which is about Kentucky basketball.

It's definitely relevant to basketball. So not sure what your issue is with posting it here.

How is it relevant to Kentucky basketball?

 

[loucatfan]

Wrong board. Mods please delete.

 

[GonzoCat90]

This will be the thread that solves the debate once and for all. You can do it guys.


Also, I'm taking bets on which direction it goes. We thinking pro/anti-Christianity, comparisons to civil rights, or just right to the pretend Constitutional Law experts?

 

[jameslee32]

Originally posted by CatCop:

Originally posted by Samwise Ganjee:

Originally posted by CatCop:

I like the law.

Then you like hiding behind Jesus to exercise your personal prejudices

Jus sayin' Copper

hiding behind deviant sexual proclivities while forcing others to accept your lifestyle is not prejudiced? LOL!

Judge not lest ye be judged. As Governor Pence was quick to point out, we'll see just how DISCRIMINATORY the law is in very short order. Whether the NCAA can live under the inforcement of this law is on them. They knew what they were getting into moving to a place like Indiana or Texas or Arizona or the deep south.

 

[OHcatfan]

Originally posted by CatCop:

I like the law.

Me too!

 

[*CatinIL*]

I sense multi-page thread for this one

 

[Fadhi]

I don't know about this law. It was put in place to protect businesses who deal with weddings, but what gay couple is going to force Christians to be at their wedding? That would not make for the happiest of times for what is supposed to be a joyous moment.
Should have not made the law, as now it is OK to judge. Are they going to set up lie detectors for when an effeminate guy or masculine woman wants to buy a soda at the final four..

 

[wldctky]

please remove this thread...and block the O.P. the only posts I ever see from him are trying to push an agenda and start arguments..send him packing please

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Originally posted by wldktz8:

Originally posted by Samwise Ganjee:

Originally posted by bigblueinsanity:

Before you throw stones, know that Kentucky passed basically the same law about 3 years ago.

There's no geographic constraint on stupidity, is there?

The real stupidity is suing a company because they will not service you. Go to another business that will. I am for this bill. There are many companies that support the gay agenda. However if I run a photography business I should not be FORCED to service a gay couples wedding if I do not support it or be put out of business by a lawsuit. The real low downs are the ones who sue a business just because they wouldn't service them. Go find a business that will.

That pesky equality thing huh. Better hope all the minorities you would love to discriminate against don't all decide to refuse your business.

 

[DCFseattle]

Originally posted by EliteBlue:
It's the correct law. Not because people should discriminate against anyone but because a private business owner should be allowed to refuse service to whomever they please. If that effects their business then so be it, but it's their choice.

If you come to my soup shop and don't order correctly, "No soup for you!" -- there are cheese steak places in philly that do just this.

If I'm a bar owner and want to kick everyone out that is wearing rival gear then I can. Now if my bar Is in Louisville that may hurt business.

i kind of get your point here, to a degree (although, i do believe making any laws that discriminate or allows discrimination against anybody for something as ridiculous as how they like to have sex goes against the American Ideal, and shows that we haven't come as far from the racial bigotry as we'd like to think. it's just another kind of bigotry).
and my first question is why would anybody want to do business with someone or thing that very clearly doesn't like some arbitrary thing about you and uses that arbitrary thing to try and belittle you?

i mean... if a dealership doesn't want to sell a lesbian couple a subaru, why would that lesbian couple want to force that company to sell them a subaru? take your business to a place that doesn't hate you for silly things.

me and the girlfriend went to Store X (name withheld to protect the stupid) to spend some money on stuff they had.
she's deaf, and the goobers that worked there couldn't be bothered to help find what we were looking for because communicating with Sarah is difficult for a hearing person, even though she (the girlfriend) reads lips exceptionally well and i can Sign some. so i told the guy that we were going to go across the street, to Store Y (a direct competitor), and they'd get our business. he didn't seem bothered, and neither did i. someone else sold us a television that day.

that is the answer to this problem.

the only instance i think laws like this should exist is to protect Americans from discrimination from government and the workplace. this other nonsense will sort itself out because affected people will simply stop doing business with offending parties.

 

[ukfan79]

Originally posted by MdWIldcat55:

Originally posted by ukfan79:

Originally posted by MdWIldcat55:
If only there were a board where political threads were appropriate....unlike this one, which is about Kentucky basketball.

It's definitely relevant to basketball. So not sure what your issue is with posting it here.

How is it relevant to Kentucky basketball?

Isn't the Final 4 in Indiana this year? I swear I read that somewhere.

And it's scheduled to be there like every 4th or 5th year going forward.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Originally posted by MdWIldcat55:

Originally posted by ukfan79:

Originally posted by MdWIldcat55:
If only there were a board where political threads were appropriate....unlike this one, which is about Kentucky basketball.

It's definitely relevant to basketball. So not sure what your issue is with posting it here.

How is it relevant to Kentucky basketball?

Because Kentucky is still alive in the NCAA tourney, with the final four site being Indianapolis.

 

[UK90]

Originally posted by bigblueinsanity:

Before you throw stones, know that Kentucky passed basically the same law about 3 years ago.

This. The OP's thread title is essentially calling Kentucky "dumb as we wanna be" also, because Ky passed basically the same thing well before Indiana did.

The reason the Indiana bill is getting so much more publicity today is because next week Indy hosts the final four, is the home of the NCAA, and is the one of the nation's biggest convention/event cities. I expect there'll now be plenty pressure put upon those groups to boycott Indy and take their events elsewhere because of this law.

 

[ukfan79]

Originally posted by OHcatfan:

Originally posted by CatCop:

I like the law.

Me too!

And another bigot....

 

[WCBcats]

If you own a business, you can do as you please. The left wing is ruining a great country

 

[ukfan79]

Originally posted by wldctky:
please remove this thread...and block the O.P. the only posts I ever see from him are trying to push an agenda and start arguments..send him packing please

The OP is my friend and one of the best posters on this board.

Your judgment of his posting habits is completely off base as well.

Mods....please DO NOT ban the OP!

 

[ukfan79]

Originally posted by WCBcats:
If you own a business, you can do as you please. The left wing is ruining a great country

Uh......no you can't or nor should you be allowed to do "whatever you want"

Look. I'm a moderate and actually lean right pretty heavily on most issues. But I am also gay as many on this board know.

People like you and a few others are pushing me further left these days though.

 

[Comebakatz3]

Originally posted by DCFseattle:

Originally posted by EliteBlue:
It's the correct law. Not because people should discriminate against anyone but because a private business owner should be allowed to refuse service to whomever they please. If that effects their business then so be it, but it's their choice.

If you come to my soup shop and don't order correctly, "No soup for you!" -- there are cheese steak places in philly that do just this.

If I'm a bar owner and want to kick everyone out that is wearing rival gear then I can. Now if my bar Is in Louisville that may hurt business.

i kind of get your point here, to a degree (although, i do believe making any laws that discriminate or allows discrimination against anybody for something as ridiculous as how they like to have sex goes against the American Ideal, and shows that we haven't come as far from the racial bigotry as we'd like to think. it's just another kind of bigotry).
and my first question is why would anybody want to do business with someone or thing that very clearly doesn't like some arbitrary thing about you and uses that arbitrary thing to try and belittle you?

i mean... if a dealership doesn't want to sell a lesbian couple a subaru, why would that lesbian couple want to force that company to sell them a subaru? take your business to a place that doesn't hate you for silly things.

me and the girlfriend went to Store X (name withheld to protect the stupid) to spend some money on stuff they had.
she's deaf, and the goobers that worked there couldn't be bothered to help find what we were looking for because communicating with Sarah is difficult for a hearing person, even though she (the girlfriend) reads lips exceptionally well and i can Sign some. so i told the guy that we were going to go across the street, to Store Y (a direct competitor), and they'd get our business. he didn't seem bothered, and neither did i. someone else sold us a television that day.

that is the answer to this problem.

the only instance i think laws like this should exist is to protect Americans from discrimination from government and the workplace. this other nonsense will sort itself out because affected people will simply stop doing business with offending parties.

We're talking about a minority so there isn't going to be a huge decrease in business. Probably not enough to change someone's practices. Now, let's say you have a homosexual couple who moves to a small town, which you have a lot of in Indiana. In that small town there is only one person who does the thing they are wanting done. Maybe it is a cake or a caterer for some event, any event. The service provider refuses based upon religion. Should the couple have to go out of town to find someone to provide them with the service? How far should they have to go? What if they have to pay more for the service because the service provider having to travel? I know in my town, which has about 30,000 people, there is only one person that is a cobbler and does shoe repairs. The next closest cobbler is about 30 minutes away in Knoxville. Even then, there are only a handful in Knoxville. So, what if the couple lives here and is refused by all the cobblers? How far should they have to drive in order to find someone who will fix their shoes? **Note: I think it would be hard to refuse to repair someone's shoes based upon religion, but I am just using it as an example of one business I know of that does not have many servicers.**

 

[wldctky]

Originally posted by ukfan79:

Originally posted by wldctky:
please remove this thread...and block the O.P. the only posts I ever see from him are trying to push an agenda and start arguments..send him packing please

The OP is my friend and one of the best posters on this board.

Your judgment of his posting habits is completely off base as well.

Mods....please DO NOT ban the OP!

please do ban...go look through threads your " friend" posts in..always baiting to start arguments...that is against board rules... oh, never mind Liberals think you should be able to say or do anything you want without consequences, so by all means carry on

 

[westerncat]

Originally posted by CatCop:

I like the law.

I'm with CatCop.