Home cooking at Rupp?

[CatPhight]

The only home cooking in Rupp these days are those new Totino's pizza rolls behind Sec 34

It's clear we get no distinct advantage on our home floor, but the other side of that coin is come March,
we're not like Kansas, who year after year struggle to advance without a 2-to-1 free throw discrepancy
and become indubitably dependent upon slanted officiating to advance, when it counts.

What's the old saying, "that which doesn't kill us only makes us stronger."

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

Not a defense of the refs, but FT attempts/total fouls not really gonna tell you much. We, especially as of late, have become a high-volume three point shooting team (20-30 attempts a game).

You're not going to shoot a lot of free throws when that is the case, no matter where the game is. Even less when those shots are going in (as they are recently), meaning less offensive rebound opportunities.

That's not the whole story though. I believe UT's first 3 times at the line yesterday were all before they even got to the bonus, meaning shooting fouls. We were not getting the same calls, especially Ulis. He was getting bumped a lot on his drives. I lost track at how many And-1s they had. It's just become a thing that we don't get the same calls at home that most elite teams get. What the reason is I don't know.

 

[JasonS.]

That's not the whole story though. I believe UT's first 3 times at the line yesterday were all before they even got to the bonus, meaning shooting fouls. We were not getting the same calls, especially Ulis. He was getting bumped a lot on his drives. I lost track at how many And-1s they had. It's just become a thing that we don't get the same calls at home that most elite teams get. What the reason is I don't know.

Yeah, I've got no answer for that. Some calls are just bad. Also, I missed the first half last night ... might have more rage if that wasn't the case.

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

It is the rule, but Ulis was actually touching it first. The rule needs clarification for sure.

Not to mention, it could be argued that Murray didn't leave the floor "of his own volition," since the UT player put a forearm into him.

I think you are right, and that it applies to a loose ball situation. Or like in the OU/KU 3 OT game. Mason is on the man throwing it in, he steps out of bounds and deflects the pass inbounds and is the first to touch the ball, which should have been called but wasn't. In this play, Murray was well established back on the court, while Ulis was in possession of the ball. They messed that one up, as well as the play where UT turned it over slipping on the court, and they stopped play and gave them the ball back. I have no problem with them stopping play because it was unsafe, but they should not have got the ball back. Players slip all the time and turn it over. Them's the breaks.

And those are examples of what UK fans get mad about. Everyone focuses on FTs, but that's just one aspect of officiating.

 

[UK_Memphis]

Here's the clip. Sorry it's grainy. Check Willis' reaction at the end.

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Yes. That is a violation. Also, the majority of our fouls that we commit are shooting fouls. So the numbers will be skewed to our opponents favor. BTW, the vandy game, of the 19 fouls that we committed-at least 9 of them were shooting fouls.

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

Yes. That is a violation. Also, the majority of our fouls that we commit are shooting fouls. So the numbers will be skewed to our opponents favor. BTW, the vandy game, of the 19 fouls that we committed-at least 9 of them were shooting fouls.

Ok, mister rules guy, please cite us the rule. Otherwise, it's no more valid than those saying it's not.

 

[CatPhight]

Like years past, I suspect we have more success on neutral floors with unbiased out of conference officiating than we see at home.

 

[awf]

Complete myth

Last 3 games FT attempts:

UF: 20 UK - 14

UGA: 27 UK - 22

UT: 30 UK - 23


So now we have to overcome the refs on the road and at home as well

Who is the head of the SEC officials? I haven't had much luck with google.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Can't always go by the FT discrepency. I'm sure Kentucky gets home court advantage every other game, or so. Our team is young and a lot of these fouls are just inexperience defensively.

However, for being a Blue Blood program, we aren't even close to the treatment the others get. I'm not even sure you can compare Kentucky/Rupp to many big6 programs. Teams always have a good shot to beat Kentucky at Rupp. The reason they don't is because we have 7 NBA players per year, and it doesn't matter what court the game is played on: Kentucky is winning 90% of the time.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

In it's own separate post, to make sure the thought and idea gets hammered home:

Kentucky needs to change Rupp. There needs to be a bigger focus on student sections, and if that means a few dozen families can't attend the game that day, then so be it. I'm not sure Calipari loses yet @Rupp, if the environment, and the calls that come with that environment, are like Allen Field House. And I mean that. Cal might still be perfect at home.

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

Can't always go by the FT discrepency. I'm sure Kentucky gets home court advantage every other game, or so. Our team is young and a lot of these fouls are just inexperience defensively.

However, for being a Blue Blood program, we aren't even close to the treatment the others get. I'm not even sure you can compare Kentucky/Rupp to many big6 programs. Teams always have a good shot to beat Kentucky at Rupp. The reason they don't is because we have 7 NBA players per year, and it doesn't matter what court the game is played on: Kentucky is winning 90% of the time.

I think a big part of it is the atmosphere. Places like AFH and Cameron are much louder and more raucous, which creates that atmosphere and the refs get caught up in it. It's easier to make the call that will make the crowd go crazy than the one which shuts them up. IMO.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Exactly. You have legit student sections going OFF on the officials making it tough to make an objective call, and the opposing players are getting rattled.. all the while it's a constant boost for the home team. There's no question that the AFH environment provides a huge leg up for Kansas.

 

[ulismyman]

There is no way the Ref apologists can justify it...you cant say we just foul a lot...thats garbage plain and simple. REFS are human and they dont like Cal or Ky thats all there is to it. Ky games are not called without an agenda period

 

[CatPhight]

I think a big part of it is the atmosphere. Places like AFH and Cameron are much louder and more raucous, which creates that atmosphere and the refs get caught up in it. It's easier to make the call that will make the crowd go crazy than the one which shuts them up. IMO.

Because they're a fraction of the size Rupp is. You can fit 4 dookie tobacco barns in Rupp.

 

[andreIGUODOLLAsigns4UK]

The less briscoe goes to the line and shoots free throws, the better for our team. I can shoot free throws with my eyes closed at a much higher rate than he does. Kind of sad to watch. It's just a free throw man.

 

[Ky-troutbum]

I think consistency would make most of us happy. Other teams seem to get the home cooking, we seem to get just the opposite,
There should be no home court advantage when it comes to officiating, just call the game consistently!

 

[kybassfan]

I really think this so bash away if you must..but i think the refs got together as a whole in SEC...look we are gonna show Cal we are united so in the next game after ejection..lets call something to let Cal know...we are in charge

Holy crap! Wow, that's just idiotic.

 

[BigBlueDiehard]

Who is the head of the SEC officials? I haven't had much luck with google.

I believe it is still Jake Bell... Lexington native, former Henry Clay football coach and principal, and longtime SEC official (never did UK games because of potential conflict of interest and was usually partnered with his assistant coach at Henry Clay, former UK quarterback Dave Bair).

 

[Montana81]

There is no way the Ref apologists can justify it...you cant say we just foul a lot...thats garbage plain and simple. REFS are human and they dont like Cal or Ky thats all there is to it. Ky games are not called without an agenda period

My problem isn't the stuff they're calling on us it's the lack of fouls being called on the other guys. Obvious stuff is being let go on one end for some reason. Ulis could have shot a dozen free throws last night. Smallest and best player on the court and he can't get a call on his own floor.

Officials have been brutal to us this season.

 

[CatPhight]

My problem isn't the stuff they're calling on us it's the lack of fouls being called on the other guys. Obvious stuff is being let go on one end for some reason. Ulis could have shot a dozen free throws last night. Smallest and best player on the court and he can't get a call on his own floor.

Officials have been brutal to us this season.

An example would be last night when we drive into defenders in the exact same fashion, it was a no-call or traveling against us.

 

[Schwagg]

Kansas would have 30 more home losses during Rughead's tenure if games were called even close to fair there. I am so sick of the media talking about the Jayhawks record @ home. It is so bogus.

 

[CatPhight]

Kansas would have 30 more home losses during Rughead's tenure if games were called even close to fair there. I am so sick of the media talking about the Jayhawks record @ home. It is so bogus.

That's why they flameout in the NCAA's - their competitive 8 on 5 advantage goes buh-bye

 

[spotter34]

The first play of the game with Murray is ridiculous whether it breaks a rule or not. Why? It's so rarely called. Teams do that almost every possession on both sides of the ball with the guy that went out of bounds being the one to receive a pass. They just don't call that 99% of the time. They save that call for when they are wanting to send a message. First play of the game? Give me a break.

I'm quite sure though you just have to reestablish position in bounds with both feet otherwise this wouldn't be the first time I've seen it called this season.

 

[screwduke]

Has Duke, UNC or Kansas ever had three straight opponents shoot more free throws than them on their home floor against them? Highly doubtful.

 

[Bluemamba]

It truly is ridiculous. After the initial call on Murray on our 1st possession for going out of bounds and not re-establishing himself was incredible. That call was intentionally made to let Cal know they didn't appreciate how he went after Sirmons and you can't convince me otherwise. Murray had taken 2-3 steps inbounds before he received that pass. That happens every single time down the floor and they made that call on our 1st possession since the USC game? You can't tell me that wasn't pre-meditated. Did it affect the game? No, but I think it put us on our heels a little initially, thus the slow start. The bigger point is that the officiating isn't going to improve. There is no accountability so if you have an agenda or angst against a coach, player, or team, have at it. Just disguise it enough to where you have plausible deniability.

The refs are a bunch of Dick HEADS....all of them, we havent had one evenly called game all season.

 

[ulismyman]

First call of game was an agenda i dont care what the Carp man or other Hitler youth says...it was deliberate as hell

 

[awf]

I believe it is still Jake Bell... Lexington native, former Henry Clay football coach and principal, and longtime SEC official (never did UK games because of potential conflict of interest and was usually partnered with his assistant coach at Henry Clay, former UK quarterback Dave Bair).

Thanks!

 

[BigBlueDiehard]

I think you are right, and that it applies to a loose ball situation. Or like in the OU/KU 3 OT game. Mason is on the man throwing it in, he steps out of bounds and deflects the pass inbounds and is the first to touch the ball, which should have been called but wasn't. In this play, Murray was well established back on the court, while Ulis was in possession of the ball. They messed that one up, as well as the play where UT turned it over slipping on the court, and they stopped play and gave them the ball back. I have no problem with them stopping play because it was unsafe, but they should not have got the ball back. Players slip all the time and turn it over. Them's the breaks.

And those are examples of what UK fans get mad about. Everyone focuses on FTs, but that's just one aspect of officiating.

The rule would have only applied to Murray in this situation if Ulis had thrown the pass while Murray was still out of bounds and/or Murray had not yet established himself inbounds prior to receiving the pass (neither of which was the case).

The perfect example of when this rule should have been applied (but unfortunately wasn't) was when when Bronson Koenig jumped back inbounds and grabbed the loose ball and laid it in without first establishing himself inbounds in our Final Four game last year (see the 57 second mark of this video).

 

[qwesley]

Somehow Duke shoots a ton of 3s but very consistently shoots signifantly more Fts than its opponents. Not gonna look it up because it will piss me off.

 

[michaeluk26]

I'm so sick of seeing the player with the ball driving and jumping into our guys and getting a foul call. It happens at least 5or 6 times a game to us. I call it the Frank Mason foul.

 

[spotter34]

The rule would have only applied to Murray in this situation if Ulis had thrown the pass while Murray was still out of bounds and/or Murray had not yet established himself inbounds prior to receiving the pass (neither of which was the case).

The perfect example of when this rule should have been applied (but unfortunately wasn't) was when when Bronson Koenig jumped back inbounds and grabbed the loose ball and laid it in without first establishing himself inbounds in our Final Four game last year (see the 57 second mark of this video).

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Man, I forgot all about that. Koenig jumped from out of bounds and while in the air caught the ball before ever touching in bounds. What drives me absolutely crazy is knowing that if Andrew Harrison had done that exact same thing the refs would have come running in blowing their whistles waving off the basket.

 

[Blueworld_3.0]

I've been preaching that SEC officiating is possibly the worst EVER in college basketball for two years now. No consistency in what is a foul and not. one night they allow physical play and the next night they're calling fouls if a guy gets within spitting distance. The result is most SEC games have no flow, no tempo is ever established and the last 10 minutes of each half is a constant march to the free throw line. It's just horrible.

 

[Lumpy 2]

The rule would have only applied to Murray in this situation if Ulis had thrown the pass while Murray was still out of bounds and/or Murray had not yet established himself inbounds prior to receiving the pass (neither of which was the case).

The perfect example of when this rule should have been applied (but unfortunately wasn't) was when when Bronson Koenig jumped back inbounds and grabbed the loose ball and laid it in without first establishing himself inbounds in our Final Four game last year (see the 57 second mark of this video).

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Pretty sure that's Sirmons standing in perfect position to make the call.

 

[Bluest Member]

Who is the head of the SEC officials? I haven't had much luck with google.

Jake Bell

 

[Sithlyone]

Here's the clip. Sorry it's grainy. Check Willis' reaction at the end.

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Which is exactly the kind of call that should be sent to a third party for review. That's nuts. Football works that way but as far as I know basketball doesnt, you just have to reestablish yourself back inbounds. That's discraceful officiating.

 

[Wildcat-in-STL]

LOL @ the people saying Jake Bell is a UK fan. Obviously he isnt.

This year we have 264 FT's and our SEC OPP has 346 FT's. ..As a whole on the season... UK 590.../ OPP 622 ft's

Even our NIT year in 2013......for the SEC games we shot 424 FT's to our SEC OPP 342 FT's (The last year of Gerald Boudreaux)

our Brandon Knight 2011 team Shot 322 FT's to our SEC OPP 300 FT's

Even our NIT team from 2009 shot more compared to opponents.

 

[BigBlueDiehard]

LOL @ the people saying Jake Bell is a UK fan. Obviously he isnt.

This year we have 264 FT's and our SEC OPP has 346 FT's. ..As a whole on the season... UK 590.../ OPP 622 ft's

Even our NIT year in 2013......for the SEC games we shot 424 FT's to our SEC OPP 342 FT's (The last year of Gerald Boudreaux)

our Brandon Knight 2011 team Shot 322 FT's to our SEC OPP 300 FT's

Even our NIT team from 2009 shot more compared to opponents.

As a Henry Clay alum from the '80's who knew Coach Bell and Coach Bair pretty well, I can assure you he is pro-UK. Now if you want to argue that he perhaps goes overboard in trying to appear neutral and unbiased then I suppose you can make a case, but I think it's more likely that he's not giving any direction to the officials he is supervising to either make calls for or against Kentucky. I think the tough whistle we've received this year is on the actual referres calling our games rather than their supervisor.

I certainly wouldn't LOL at people saying that Jake Bell is a UK fan when you're approaching the subject from a firsthand knowledge deficit. Even objectively speaking, one generally does not spend his entire life in Lexington and raise his family there (his son Keith is only 2 years older than me) and not have at least a mild rooting interest in UK.

 

[Wildcat-in-STL]

As a Henry Clay alum from the '80's who knew Coach Bell and Coach Bair pretty well, I can assure you he is pro-UK. Now if you want to argue that he perhaps goes overboard in trying to appear neutral and unbiased then I suppose you can make a case, but I think it's more likely that he's not giving any direction to the officials he is supervising to either make calls for or against Kentucky. I think the tough whistle we've received this year is on the actual referres calling our games rather than their supervisor.

I certainly wouldn't LOL at people saying that Jake Bell is a UK fan when you're approaching the subject from a firsthand knowledge deficit. Even objectively speaking, one generally does not spend his entire life in Lexington and raise his family there (his son Keith is only 2 years older than me) and not have at least a mild rooting interest in UK.

I used to be both a UK and UL fan.... Terry Meiners went to UK and was a UK fan... now he cheers for UL and is friends with Pitino. Over time things change

Maybe he doesnt like Cal and wants Cal gone from UK ...... but right now he is in charge of SEC officiating and its been anti UK this year.

 

[clevenger32]

Kentucky has maybe a handful of home calls in my 50 years of following UK basketball. Coach Rupp always said UK got the same officiating home and away, road officiating. It rings true all these years after our fearless leader made that statement.
If you watch Duke, Kansas, Michigan State, etc...the top programs at home and even on the road, they get a great majority of the calls. Kentucky has never enjoyed that. Personally, I don't think either is right. Refs should make the call without bias.

 

[willievic]

Regardless of where UK plays, were not going to get any calls our way. This year is even worse since we have no inside offense presence.

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!