Home cooking at Rupp?

[catrecruit]

Complete myth

Last 3 games FT attempts:

UF: 20 UK - 14

UGA: 27 UK - 22

UT: 30 UK - 23


So now we have to overcome the refs on the road and at home as well

 

[spotter34]

It truly is ridiculous. After the initial call on Murray on our 1st possession for going out of bounds and not re-establishing himself was incredible. That call was intentionally made to let Cal know they didn't appreciate how he went after Sirmons and you can't convince me otherwise. Murray had taken 2-3 steps inbounds before he received that pass. That happens every single time down the floor and they made that call on our 1st possession since the USC game? You can't tell me that wasn't pre-meditated. Did it affect the game? No, but I think it put us on our heels a little initially, thus the slow start. The bigger point is that the officiating isn't going to improve. There is no accountability so if you have an agenda or angst against a coach, player, or team, have at it. Just disguise it enough to where you have plausible deniability.

 

[rye48]

Complete myth

Last 3 games FT attempts:

UF: 20 UK - 14

UGA: 27 UK - 22

UT: 30 UK - 23


So now we have to overcome the refs on the road and at home as well

It's been that way a while now !!

 

[Ugoff]

It truly is ridiculous. After the initial call on Murray on our 1st possession for going out of bounds and not re-establishing himself was incredible. That call was intentionally made to let Cal know they didn't appreciate how he went after Sirmons and you can't convince me otherwise. Murray had taken 2-3 steps inbounds before he received that pass. That happens every single time down the floor and they made that call on our 1st possession since the USC game? You can't tell me that wasn't pre-meditated. Did it affect the game? No, but I think it put us on our heels a little initially, thus the slow start. The bigger point is that the officiating isn't going to improve. There is no accountability so if you have an agenda or angst against a coach, player, or team, have at it. Just disguise it enough to where you have plausible deniability.

Yeah, I don't get that first turnover call at all. Murray was out of bounds under the basket, ran all the way out near the top of the key and caught a pass. Can someone explain why that's a turnover. We've been called for that 3 times this year.

 

[Wildcat-in-STL]

I did the research an hour ago and in our SEC home games ... UK averages 18 FT's a game and Opponents are getting 23 FT's a game.

 

[JasonS.]

Not a defense of the refs, but FT attempts/total fouls not really gonna tell you much. We, especially as of late, have become a high-volume three point shooting team (20-30 attempts a game).

You're not going to shoot a lot of free throws when that is the case, no matter where the game is. Even less when those shots are going in (as they are recently), meaning less offensive rebound opportunities.

 

[ulismyman]

OP...go back and put the Vandy game in too please...it was really bad like 25 to 11 bad

 

[Wildcat-in-STL]

Not a defense of the refs, but FT attempts/total fouls not really gonna tell you much. We, especially as of late, have become a high-volume three point shooting team (20-30 attempts a game).

You're not going to shoot a lot of free throws when that is the case, no matter where the game is. Even less when those shots are going in (as they are recently), meaning less offensive rebound opportunities.

UK @ Tenn - 3pt shots taken - UK 22 / Tenn 19 .......... Free throws taken- UK 23 FT's / Tenn 34 FT's

Tenn @ UK - 3pt shots taken - UK 24 / Tenn 14 .............Free throws Taken - UK 23 FT's / Tenn 30 FT's

 

[Wildcat-in-STL]

OP...go back and put the Vandy game in too please...it was really bad like 25 to 11 bad

Worse than you think. It was 25 FT's for Vandy to 6 FT's for UK

 

[TIE543]

It's really not the amount of free throws taken or even the amount of fouls called, it's what kinds of things get called vs what doesn't.

To me, at least.

 

[Sithlyone]

Not a defense of the refs, but FT attempts/total fouls not really gonna tell you much. We, especially as of late, have become a high-volume three point shooting team (20-30 attempts a game).

You're not going to shoot a lot of free throws when that is the case, no matter where the game is. Even less when those shots are going in (as they are recently), meaning less offensive rebound opportunities.

I agree, but it seems that when we go on the road and we get fouled they seem to miss an inordinate amount of those calls, but when we breathe on them here at home our opponents get every call. So that stat doesn't paint the whole picture but when you compare it with the "eye" test you can see the masterpiece.

I wouldn't say it's a full blown conspiracy but this season has been ridiculous in the officiating department. I agree that there needs to be some accountability for the officials. Like a 3rd party review committee that coaches can send in tape to of egregious errors to, then that third party review committee can rate the officials. Then only the highest rated officiating crews get to work the Top 25 games.

By having a rating system it would make the officials work harder to catch and call the right fouls and it would clean up the game. We should also pay officials more when they officiate a Top 25 game so that those games become more appealing to officials and they will be motivated to have higher quality games themselves. By having their performance affect their paycheck it would make them perform at a higher level. Thus it would remove any of the slight leanings or agenda's that they may harbor. Plus it would make the other 2 officials step in and correct any calls that may have been made wrong by emotions.

I know human error is part of the game and I really don't want to get rid of it but they need to be reined in a bit.

 

[Blueblood22]

Tennessee a couple of times would, maybe even intentionally, run under our guards while they were in the air shooting and not let them land cleanly.

That is a damn foul, and the refs would not call it.

Even seemed like Punter couldn't do anything in the first half without using his off arm, as well.

But hey, Humphries standing straight up and somebody jumping into him? That's a foul. Somebody penetrating and starts stumbling and falling down on their own? That's a foul on the closest defender.

 

[AGEE11]

Tennessee a couple of times would, maybe even intentionally, run under our guards while they were in the air shooting and not let them land cleanly.

That is a damn foul, and the refs would not call it.

Even seemed like Punter couldn't do anything in the first half without using his off arm, as well.

But hey, Humphries standing straight up and somebody jumping into him? That's a foul. Somebody penetrating and starts stumbling and falling down on their own? That's a foul on the closest defender.

Our bigs rarely get the benefit of having their arms straight up. Yet our guards deal with that and more all night when they drive the ball.

Getting really frustrating this year

 

[TIE543]

And to add to my other post, I don't even want a "home whistle." I just want the game to be fairly called for BOTH sides.

 

[kats23]

Last night's officials are a perfect example of 3 guys who don't understand the new freedom of movement rule. Just because a player drives the court and bumps into a defender standing there arms up, doesn't make it a foul. UT had numerous calls go that way. They were also calling a lot of on the ball fouls out on the wings. Again, confused by the "freedom of movement" Just because a ball handler tries to drive past a defender, it isn't an automatic foul because the defender cuts you off legally. You have to allow the player to play defense and last night those 3 didn't do it.

I think since UK is just basically a 3 point shooting team now, you just aren't going to see the volume of free throws against UK like Cal's team's in the past. With a lack of depth and quality in the frontcourt, you can't play like last year's team whose goal was get to the rim. Last night's refs didn't feel like USCjr or UT down there. It felt like they were just a C group of officials who do not understand the rules. They missed calls on UK, but they missed calls on UT too.

 

[Wildcat-in-STL]

if Cal was confident that we could draw fouls like that, we'd not be a 3pt shooting team.

 

[kats23]

I disagree. I think if we had a formidable front court, we wouldn't be a 3 point shooting team.

 

[rye48]

Last night's officials are a perfect example of 3 guys who don't understand the new freedom of movement rule. Just because a player drives the court and bumps into a defender standing there arms up, doesn't make it a foul. UT had numerous calls go that way. They were also calling a lot of on the ball fouls out on the wings. Again, confused by the "freedom of movement" Just because a ball handler tries to drive past a defender, it isn't an automatic foul because the defender cuts you off legally. You have to allow the player to play defense and last night those 3 didn't do it.

I think since UK is just basically a 3 point shooting team now, you just aren't going to see the volume of free throws against UK like Cal's team's in the past. With a lack of depth and quality in the frontcourt, you can't play like last year's team whose goal was get to the rim. Last night's refs didn't feel like USCjr or UT down there. It felt like they were just a C group of officials who do not understand the rules. They missed calls on UK, but they missed calls on UT too.

It's freedom of movement for everyone not named UK

 

[Bigblueincincy]

Yeah, I don't get that first turnover call at all. Murray was out of bounds under the basket, ran all the way out near the top of the key and caught a pass. Can someone explain why that's a turnover. We've been called for that 3 times this year.

Yea that call baffled me as well.

 

[Ugoff]

Yea that call baffled me as well.

Here's the clip. Sorry it's grainy. Check Willis' reaction at the end.

 

[.S&C.]

UK does not get home cooking and really never has. Kansas, Duke, UNC, and Indiana LIVE from home cooking. It's not fair, but it's life. UK is the biggest dog on the porch and people, including refs, enjoy kicking us. The refs have figured out all is well by screwing us at home knowing the NCAA, other fans, and their bosses won't care at all. It's their time to look "neutral". Coach K would have a heart attack dealing with what we deal with at home. Literally a heart attack.

If you're someone who doesn't get that, you're blind. stop watching

 

[.S&C.]

Here the clip. Sorry it's grainy.

View embedded media

Just a way to set the tone.

 

[Bigblueincincy]

I just don't get the call. He clearly re-establishes himself on the court. Maybe he can't be the first to touch the ball after he runs out of bounds? But I don't think that is a rule in basketball

 

[*CatinIL*]

The only home cooking Kentucky gets?

 

[Ugoff]

Of course the commentators are oblivious and don't even mention the turnover. I wish Cal had called a :30 timeout to question the call (not get a T) just so the TV guys would have had to look at it.

 

[Aike]

I just don't get the call. He clearly re-establishes himself on the court. Maybe he can't be the first to touch the ball after he runs out of bounds? But I don't think that is a rule in basketball

It is the rule, but Ulis was actually touching it first. The rule needs clarification for sure.

Not to mention, it could be argued that Murray didn't leave the floor "of his own volition," since the UT player put a forearm into him.

 

[ulismyman]

I really think this so bash away if you must..but i think the refs got together as a whole in SEC...look we are gonna show Cal we are united so in the next game after ejection..lets call something to let Cal know...we are in charge

 

[HalHR2500]

For SEC opponents to shoot more free throws in Rupp Arena, something is amiss....Never seen a blue blood get a worst home whistle

 

[Aike]

For SEC opponents to shoot more free throws in Rupp Arena, something is amiss....Never seen a blue blood get a worst home whistle

The thing that surprised me the most was how few calls Ulis got last night. He was getting hammered.

 

[CharlieT71059]

We are fouling a lot, that means we are playing defense better and better

 

[Bkocats]

We are fouling a lot, that means we are playing defense better and better

some of those aren't fouls, though -
but worse, they aren't calling fouls on the opposing team as they should. Ulis, for example got MUGGED quite a few times - even multiple times on a single play.
The problem is the games aren't called fairly - even taking into consideration human error.

 

[JFCats22]

Officiating has been spotty (at best).

However, if it's not clear that UK fouls A LOT then you just aren't paying attention. This UK team fouls (it seems) more than any UK team I can remember. Skal, Lee, Humphries, Willis, Poy all have bad fouling habits.

There have been a ton of bad/missed calls by refs but I am not surprised to see UK's opponents going to the foul line more than UK is.

 

[Bluest Member]

Not a defense of the refs, but FT attempts/total fouls not really gonna tell you much. We, especially as of late, have become a high-volume three point shooting team (20-30 attempts a game).

You're not going to shoot a lot of free throws when that is the case, no matter where the game is. Even less when those shots are going in (as they are recently), meaning less offensive rebound opportunities.

Yes,but the three pointers come after attempting to drive inside more often than not,did you not see the contact Ulis,Murray,and Briscoe endured with very few calls all game last night?

 

[BlueBlood66]

Rule:

Art. 1. A player who steps out of bounds under his/her own volition and then
becomes the first player to touch the ball after returning to the playing court
has committed a violation.

 

[Aike]

Rule:

Art. 1. A player who steps out of bounds under his/her own volition and then
becomes the first player to touch the ball after returning to the playing court
has committed a violation.

Right. But if Ulis is dribbling the ball when Murray comes back in bounds, isn't Ulis the first to touch the ball?

Plus, the UT defender gave Murray a little forearm shoving to push him out of bounds.

 

[BlueBlood66]

Right. But if Ulis is dribbling the ball when Murray comes back in bounds, isn't Ulis the first to touch the ball?

Plus, the UT defender gave Murray a little forearm shoving to push him out of bounds.

Yea I was just posting it for reference. It definitely needs some clarification. I remember hearing it come up some time last year and someone said the intent of it was so a player can't move through the out of bounds area to gain an advantage. Example: setting a screen on the baseline and the offensive player running around it out of bounds.

Not really what happened here but Murray did give a tiny little push off of the UT guy when he took off.

 

[runt#69]

I went to sleep thinking about that TO on the first play, and was going to ask about it this morning. I don't think (after looking at it closely) that Murray was in any way pushed, or forced out. He made his move by going out of bounds on his own, in my opinion.

Also, Ulis would have had to get the ball into someone else's hands (by the look of the rule) before passing it to Murray.

I'm cool with it now, the thing that gets me is that SO MANY TIMES during games that I have watched on ESPN, the announcers completely ignore telling us what happened on plays and are so into what they're talking about, they fail to tell us what just happened.

I hate that. It's one of the things I loved about listening to Cawood back in the day when we weren't on TV and listened to the radio. Cawood drew a mental picture for us, and did it so flawlessly, without any effort or stuttering/confusion, that he worked his own color commentating into the call better than the two guys that announce games on TV these days.

Love you Cawood ! I will always love you for being the best ! I hope you enjoy "the best seat" you have in heaven with my dad & Rupp, Keightley and all the heavenly BBN there with you !!!

 

[JasonS.]

Yes,but the three pointers come after attempting to drive inside more often than not,did you not see the contact Ulis,Murray,and Briscoe endured with very few calls all game last night?

Oh, no doubt. Some really bad calls. Just ceteris paribus and all that, total fouls/free throws isn't the most useful stat when you take most of your shots a long way from the rim.

Not to mention the fact we have human foul machines like Lee, Skal and Humphreys (and Willis, to a lesser extent) anchoring our frontline right now. Those three (and Poythress) have foul-per-minute stats that are off the charts (those guys foul at a per-minute rate 2-3x as much as guys like WCS/Towns/Lyles did last year). Our big guys foul a lot. And that's also going to impact those total foul stats.

 

[catrecruit]

OP...go back and put the Vandy game in too please...it was really bad like 25 to 11 bad

Good find....but it was actually 25 to 6!!

 

[Dablueman]

Not a defense of the refs, but FT attempts/total fouls not really gonna tell you much. We, especially as of late, have become a high-volume three point shooting team (20-30 attempts a game).

You're not going to shoot a lot of free throws when that is the case, no matter where the game is. Even less when those shots are going in (as they are recently), meaning less offensive rebound opportunities.

Except we are winning games which means other teams by nature are fighting back more aggressively. Plus alot of our threes are from dribble penetration and a kick so it's not like we are just tossing it around the peremiter