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Harry Giles to Alter UNC Visit Date; Coach Says He Remains Open in Recruitment

Did you add the Mason bit after the fact?

So yeah, hard to say Mason is a bust... guy was the 18th overall RSCI recruit who went on to become a top contender for NPOY and won the Newell award for best big in the country. He was drafted 22nd overall, and won NBA Rookie First-Team honors. Last year in only 20 minutes he averaged 9 pts and 5 rebounds. Hard to say that is a bust, given that the other guys in similar RSCI spots (Dan Orton, Mike Snaer, Dominic Cheek) are either not playing professional basketball or are playing overseas.

And no, I think most reasonable fans would agree that Giles would do great at UK and would do great at Duke.

But there are a few (go back to your own board, you virgins!) who rabidly insist that K just ruins players and Duke is the end of the line, whereas Cal and UK are the path to eternal greatness. I guess I am a fool because I believe that looking at the facts might actually convince people that isn't the case;)
 
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MSU129 said:
I'll say one thing, and that is I do feel that Cal would have had Winslow drafted higher! I say that because I felt Winslow was the best player on Dukes team this year...a lot like a MKG but with a better jumper. MKG went 2nd that year behind a college player who won every award in the country and possible mvp of the NBA this coming year. I actually think Winslow is a better player than MKG, but I don't think K "sells" his players as well as Cal.
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I agree.
 
MSU129 said:
ESPN says Mason was a part of the 2009 recruiting class. I don't follow Duke that closely, but just quoting the espn rankings.
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So Mason is a flop, even though he's only been in the league 2 years. Yet you give James Young a pass after a super underwhelming rookie season?

FYI, Mason's career stats to this point (8 points and 5.5 rebounds per game) are basically on par with MKG's (9 points and 6 rebounds per game). Is MKG a bust?
 
Mark Gastineau said:
So Mason is a flop, even though he's only been in the league 2 years. Yet you give James Young a pass after a super underwhelming rookie season?

FYI, Mason's career stats to this point (8 points and 5.5 rebounds per game) are basically on par with MKG's (9 points and 6 rebounds per game). Is MKG a bust?
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Not according to that big phat pay raise he got.
 
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I just have to laugh at kids for not coming to Kentucky. There's no better place to get to the NBA, unless of course you don't want to go to the NBA
 
Would love to have Giles at UK. He is a star and dUKe seems to have the upper hand....however, Calipari would not be investing so much time on his recruitment if he was a complete slam dunk. just saying,,,,
 
TUL said:
Eh, agree to disagree that no one develops elite talent like Cal and that Kentucky has some effect no one else has. Yes, Cal recruits great talent, and has had far more chances to offer LOTS of available playing time to LOTS of players since his first year at UK had much playing time. But for every guy who made it into the draft unexpectedly (Booker, for example) there are others who DIDN'T develop like they may have... look at guys like the twins, who might be the only example in history of both the 5th and 6th overall RSCI ranked guys both going to one school and then both coming back for their sophomore years. Poy was ranked 8th overall in RSCI, and is coming back for another season... his third? Fourth? Listen, Cal gets GREAT talent, and certainly is a fantastic developer of talent... but he isn't the only one who can do it. That's just silly.

KAT having endorsement deals...? Eh. Did you maybe miss the national commercials Jabari and Jahlil had before they even played a game in the league, commercials that featured them wearing Duke uniforms? Duke players are among the most highly sought after players in the nation for endorsement deals.

Comparing KAT and Okafor is a bit silly. Okafor was the traditional 5 centerpiece of the national title winner, a guy who played a TON of minutes, and a player who faced double and triple teams every time he touched the ball. KAT played what... 20 minutes a game? He didn't face much in the way of doubles or triples, and acting like he was some guy who needed huge development is a little ignorant of how talented KAT is, and what sort of hype he came in with. You think Cal took on a national team job to land just a random player? Prepstars had him as the 2nd overall player in the country, as did 247. And given that the NBA has largely moved away from more traditional 5s and towards the more skilled, inside-outside 5s, this wasn't some shocking thing. I certainly think it was a lot more of a reflection of the skills of the two players and what the League is looking for than a reflection of some horrible job by K and some masterful job by Cal.

Listen, you are a Kentucky fan. I get it. You think Kentucky is the center of the basketball world, and everyone else is below you. But us Duke fans are pretty sure that we are at the top of the college basketball landscape... we have the most famous coach in the country, title after title, players from Hill, Laettner, and Hurley through JWill, Brand, and Battier and up to Okafor, Jones and Winslow... we have the best arena in the country, the most beautiful campus, a top flight school... our coach has led the nation to gold medal after gold medal and has revitalized our national program, earning the praise of his players like Lebron and Kobe along the way. So yes, you guys can be very proud of what you have at Kentucky. But please be reasonable and understand that it isn't as clear cut as you might like to think.
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And You're on a Kentucky board. Don't forget that. Do you type as much on your board? If a Mod, I'd ban you for that alone and no I quit reading it...If K is so great why do you spend so much time defending him?
 
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TUL said:
Eh, agree to disagree that no one develops elite talent like Cal and that Kentucky has some effect no one else has. Yes, Cal recruits great talent, and has had far more chances to offer LOTS of available playing time to LOTS of players since his first year at UK had much playing time. But for every guy who made it into the draft unexpectedly (Booker, for example) there are others who DIDN'T develop like they may have... look at guys like the twins, who might be the only example in history of both the 5th and 6th overall RSCI ranked guys both going to one school and then both coming back for their sophomore years. Poy was ranked 8th overall in RSCI, and is coming back for another season... his third? Fourth? Listen, Cal gets GREAT talent, and certainly is a fantastic developer of talent... but he isn't the only one who can do it. That's just silly.

KAT having endorsement deals...? Eh. Did you maybe miss the national commercials Jabari and Jahlil had before they even played a game in the league, commercials that featured them wearing Duke uniforms? Duke players are among the most highly sought after players in the nation for endorsement deals.

Comparing KAT and Okafor is a bit silly. Okafor was the traditional 5 centerpiece of the national title winner, a guy who played a TON of minutes, and a player who faced double and triple teams every time he touched the ball. KAT played what... 20 minutes a game? He didn't face much in the way of doubles or triples, and acting like he was some guy who needed huge development is a little ignorant of how talented KAT is, and what sort of hype he came in with. You think Cal took on a national team job to land just a random player? Prepstars had him as the 2nd overall player in the country, as did 247. And given that the NBA has largely moved away from more traditional 5s and towards the more skilled, inside-outside 5s, this wasn't some shocking thing. I certainly think it was a lot more of a reflection of the skills of the two players and what the League is looking for than a reflection of some horrible job by K and some masterful job by Cal.

Listen, you are a Kentucky fan. I get it. You think Kentucky is the center of the basketball world, and everyone else is below you. But us Duke fans are pretty sure that we are at the top of the college basketball landscape... we have the most famous coach in the country, title after title, players from Hill, Laettner, and Hurley through JWill, Brand, and Battier and up to Okafor, Jones and Winslow... we have the best arena in the country, the most beautiful campus, a top flight school... our coach has led the nation to gold medal after gold medal and has revitalized our national program, earning the praise of his players like Lebron and Kobe along the way. So yes, you guys can be very proud of what you have at Kentucky. But please be reasonable and understand that it isn't as clear cut as you might like to think.
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That's some straight up homer shit. Best arena in the nation? Wtf? That cracker box gym? Yeah, no. Not at all.

Get out of here with that weak sauce.
 
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TUL said:
we have the best arena in the country, the most beautiful campus, a top flight school...
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Lol....You've never actually been to Durham, have you?

Duke's campus is, at best, the 3rd "most beautiful" in the state of North Carolina, and I don't think any actual Duke students would deny that.
 
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Wasnt it just a couple years ago splinter went off on the students over attendance at Cameron?
You have trouble filling that shithole that holds 8,000?
 
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Uhm okay, I know this is a losing battle, but I can't resist, because some of you are SO strange.

Yes, Cameron is one of the most beautiful damn arenas on the planet. I don't need big video boards, I don't need blaring music, I don't need expensive lounges, I don't need luxury boxes. Real fans don't need that nonsense. I need actual fans on the court instead of big money ticket holders, a beautiful court, classic lines, rich wood, brass accents, and lots of lots of banners, all in a most intimate of arenas. Most of the people who have been to Cameron and who really appreciate basketball know how special of a place it is. Maybe some of you are too young and too much in the video game generation to understand... you think what makes an arena is fitting lots of people and having rap music blaring during the game and having bars to stand in while a game is going on. But there is a reason Cameron is considered by many to be the best basketball arena on the planet. Sorry if that gets a few of the more wacked out KY fans in an uproar, but that is fact, as much as you'd like to deny it.

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And Duke campus is awe-inspiring. Having spent four years there, lying in the shade of the Chapel, sitting on the benches on the middle of West, walking through the arches of the library... I've been to the cement mess that is NC State, I visited the mish-mosh that is Chapel Hill during my recruitment, and nothing compared to Duke. Duke campus is often rated as among the most beautiful of all college campuses, and heck, even Durham recently got named a top five college town.

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Anyway, I know this might be pointless because some of you are SOOOO deep into your "OMG Duke sucks Cameron sucks arrgghh!" crazytime that facts won't matter, but...
 
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That's a lot of effort TUL for people that couldn't care less. But at least you liked it. That's nice and all that matters. (pat on the back)
 
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And You're on a Kentucky board. Don't forget that. Do you type as much on your board? If a Mod, I'd ban you for that alone and no I quit reading it...If K is so great why do you spend so much time defending him?
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It's clearly important to him to what UK fans think of Duke. More so than any other fan base. I'm flattered.

I don't guess this thread will get back on topic. On to the next one.
 
Here are some High school gym...

State City Venue Capacity
1 Indiana New Castle New Castle Fieldhouse 9,325[1]
2 Indiana East Chicago John A. Baratto Athletic Center 8,296[1]
3 Indiana Seymour Lloyd E. Scott Gymnasium 8,110[1]
4 Indiana Richmond Tiernan Center 8,100[3]
5 Indiana Marion Bill Green Athletic Arena 7,560 [4]
6 Texas Dallas Alfred J. Loos Fieldhouse 7,500[1]
7 Indiana Elkhart North Side Gymnasium 7,373[1]
8 Indiana Michigan City "The Wolves' Den" Gym 7,304[1]
9 Indiana Gary West Side High School Gym 7,217[1]
10 Indiana Lafayette Jefferson High School Gym 7,200[5]
11 Indiana Southport Southport High School Gym 7,124[5]
12 Indiana Washington "The Hatchet House" 7,090[6]
13 Indiana Columbus Memorial Gymnasium 7,071[5]
14= Arizona Chinle Wildcat Den 7,000[7]
14= Kentucky Somerset Pulaski County High School Gym 7,000[8]
 
JWat_ said:
Duke's campus is, at best, the 3rd "most beautiful" in the state of North Carolina, and I don't think any actual Duke students would deny that.
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Duke Class of 2006 here. Campus and surrounding city are completely different things, and you have no idea what you're talking about.[winking]
 
Hey, it is ALWAYS fun to look back at the campus... I miss that place:)

And I also like being right.

But you are probably right, putting WAY too much time (almost like three or four minutes) into something that really doesn't matter. I am easy to troll:)
 
Hey Mark, where did you live? 2006 was an all-freshman East, right? I got lucky, as a freshman I was in the athletic dorms... Hastings. Nice four minute walk to the gyms.
 
TUL said:
Hey Mark, where did you live? 2006 was an all-freshman East, right? I got lucky, as a freshman I was in the athletic dorms... Hastings. Nice four minute walk to the gyms.
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Bassett, Kilgo, Edens, and off campus senior year.
 
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Ohh, I like Kilgo. Really pretty. Big tree in the middle, right? I was in Edens as a frosh, Alspaugh as a sophomore, then Craven my last two years, living right over the arch that led to Wannamaker Lane (if that still exists even?!) Played a LOT of frisbee in Clocktower Quad. Jesus, that campus on a beautiful spring day, with all the girls in sundresses... I remember taking many a nap on many a bench. Used to have a religion course where the prof either had class in the Gardens, or sitting on the warm slate path in front of the Chapel. It was damned paradise.
 
Why are Duke fans wasting their time defending Duke on a Kentucky forum? You really think you're going to change anyone's opinion about Duke? Get real. Most Kentucky fans hate Duke and that ain't changing no matter what.
 
kentucky_wildcat_#1 said:
Why are Duke fans wasting their time defending Duke on a Kentucky forum? You really think you're going to change anyone's opinion about Duke? Get real. Most Kentucky fans hate Duke and that ain't changing no matter what.
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Absolutely true. I am just a sucker. I'll move on:)
 
Mark Gastineau said:
Duke Class of 2006 here. Campus and surrounding city are completely different things, and you have no idea what you're talking about.[winking]
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Toured Duke, Wake, and Elon in '07 prior to choosing a college. Don't get me wrong, the architecture at Duke was really cool. But as far as overall beauty of the campuses, I honestly don't think the comparison of the three was that close: Elon, Wake, Duke.

I've been to Chapel Hill, never actually toured UNC, but the city was cool, and what I saw of the campus looked good, really modern.
 
JWat_ said:
Toured Duke, Wake, and Elon in '07 prior to choosing a college. Don't get me wrong, the architecture at Duke was really cool. But as far as overall beauty of the campuses, I honestly don't think the comparison of the three was that close: Elon, Wake, Duke.

I've been to Chapel Hill, never actually toured UNC, but the city was cool, and what I saw of the campus looked good, really modern.
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Beauty is always going to be in the eye of the beholder. With that said, those without sports rivalry agendas do seem to like it.

:http://today.duke.edu/2001/07/dawsons720.html

David Hartley, producer of "Dawson's Creek," said he and his colleagues "fell in love" with Duke's campus when they scouted potential locations earlier this year.
"The setting has always played a big part in 'Dawson's Creek,'" Hartley said during a recent visit to Durham. "We think of it almost like a character on the show. The beauty of the architecture and surroundings at Duke will let us create exactly the campus environment we had envisioned for the upcoming season."
 
Fitch44 said:
Are you guys still virgins or did you lose your virginity in one of those beautiful dorms you posted a pic of?
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Uh, does anyone go to college still a virgin? Shit, I had already had my first three way by the time I stepped foot on campus;) But I guess everyone starts at a different age.
 
Hm. That's a little young, no?

My first was fun, though. High school girlfriend and her best friend. I ended up dating the best friend when I broke up with the girlfriend. I always thought they had a bit of a crush on each other.




Wait. What type of three way are YOU talking about? A food?
 
TUL said:
Hm. That's a little young, no?

My first was fun, though. High school girlfriend and her best friend. I ended up dating the best friend when I broke up with the girlfriend. I always thought they had a bit of a crush on each other.




Wait. What type of three way are YOU talking about? A food?
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It's a Cincinnati chili dish. Sooooo delicious.....

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Wait...what were YOU talking about?
 
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It's a Cincinnati chili dish. Sooooo delicious.....

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Wait...what were YOU talking about?
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Well damn... this just got awkward.

;)

BTW, I've always liked your sig. It isn't as good as the bugger wiped on JJ, but it is awful close:)
 
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