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krazykats said:
Not trying to compare eras but I have my reasons for the comparison and it isn’t because of the recruiting ranking or hindsight production of Bailey.

I realize how good he was in 1990, but I also remember 5’9 Travis Ford torching his ass as a JR/SR too, and I realize Perry’s challenges.

I believe in time the comparison will be closer than it is today, especially as Perry grows comfortable and confident.
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Perry will not be as good as The Little general was, so don't try and use him big timing Bailey as your prop. He would light Perry's ass up to. Holla back at me when Perry wins MVP or any of Ford's accolades. In the 92-93 season he shot 53% from 2FG, 53% from 3FG, 88% from the FT line. NCAA Regional MVP (92-93), 2X SEC Tournament MVP (92-93 / 93-94), ALL SEC 1st team (92-93), ALL SEC 2nd team (93-94). I hope he does, but I doubt Perry enjoys as much success as the Little General. 13.6 points / 5 assist per game 92-93, 11.3 points / 5.8 assist per game, 93-94 season.
 
Lamont Butler at 18 was 6’0 and 165 pounds and that’s the guy right now 5 years later you think we can’t win without.

Telling yourself after watching a whole career of Ford or Bailey that Travis Perry can’t come close to those guys because as a FR and 3rd on the depth chart this season Perry can’t get better.

Ok fellas. I know Cal pushed everyone out the door every year so maybe it will take some time for you all to get used to players growing and improving here, but Perry has significantly gotten better in the last 2 months and I’ll assume in 2 years he’ll be every bit as good as players with similar build and game as him.
 
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catsfanbgky said:
Perry will not be as good as The Little general was, so don't try and use him big timing Bailey as your prop. He would light Perry's ass up to. Holla back at me when Perry wins MVP or any of Ford's accolades. In the 92-93 season he shot 53% from 2FG, 53% from 3FG, 88% from the FT line. NCAA Regional MVP (92-93), 2X SEC Tournament MVP (92-93 / 93-94), ALL SEC 1st team (92-93), ALL SEC 2nd team (93-94). I hope he does, but I doubt Perry enjoys as much success as the Little General. 13.6 points / 5 assist per game 92-93, 11.3 points / 5.8 assist per game, 93-94 season.
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Unhook your internet.
 
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B.B.d.K. said:
Perry will be great to have as an upperclassman, and I’m happy to have him now.

The list of 6’0 honks who’ve touched us over the years is endless. As is the list of guys like Perry, who over 3-4 years developed into huge factors on contending teams. I wouldn’t bet against it for him.
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Even a guy like Dominque Hawkins was a key player on the 2017 team.

Perry doesn't have the physical tools that Hawkins did, but he is at the very least a threat on the court as a freshman thanks to his 3 point shooting acumen.

Perry's high TO% is holding him back a bit now, along with his discomfort inside the arc. Decision making is something that is easily improved with experience. He halves or significantly reduces that TO rate, something not out of the realm of possibility next season, and we have a low mistake, high 3 point shooting threat. Those players have a ton of value.
 
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I remember being in middle and high school thinking that there was an ACC conspiracy and that Duke and UNC get all of the love and attention from ESPN and get favorable treatment. Obviously, I was a kid who was a fanatic.

But through the years, it is easy to see how the media has obviously driven public perception (in more than just basketball, but that discussion is for another thread).

- The narrative on Bobby Knight sure changed after that leaked practice video surfaced. It took an additional 10 years, but the old "journalists" faded away and he didn't have anyone to take up for him anymore.

His death was barely a blurb on the "bottom line." If he would've died in '98-'00, ESPN would've had all day breaking news with the sad Tom Rinaldi piano music playing into commercial breaks.

- Is Duke really the 2nd or 3rd best team in the country? Is Cooper Flagg a generational talent? Some media folk would have you believe so.

- Who was the preseason #1? A few journalists are trying to get "way out in front" of shoveling dirt on Self's tenure at KU, but the majority still think the statue should already have been commissioned outside of Allen Fieldhouse.

- North Carolina . . . I'll leave that all to Century. He's got that expertly covered.

Time to start a Google Meet. /old purple roll eyes
 
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Nah, I am good. So you think Perry will have better success than Travis Ford ? It was a bad example Ford lighting Bailey up. He did that to a LOT of guards in his 2 years here. If Perry wins just ONE SEC Tournament MVP I will be very happy for him. To accomplish what Travis did, will be very tough for him. I wasn't stumping his potential, I was more stating just how good Travis Ford was. Very few guards have done what he did here, much less Travis Perry. But hey, they have the same first name, both from Western KY, so he has that going for him. Name another guard who was 2 X All SEC, 2 X SEC tournament MVP, Regional MVP, I will wait for the response, not the little one liner BS comeback.
 
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1990 Indiana Mr. Basketball, McDonald’s All-American, Naismith National High School Player of the Year, & USA Today National High School Player of the Decade.

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In 1990 he was in 12th grade....a senior (4 years later than the 8th grade topic)....thus the accolades. Good try, though, but your post was actually more ignorant than Vern's.
 
I hate that UKO jumped into this.

That said Bailey was good no doubt, but there were better players in that class and it wasn’t close. Whether it was recognition as a Bobby Knight/IU recruit or not I don’t know but several were better.

Me bringing up Ford was more of a UK/IU smack than saying Ford was a nobody because he didn’t get all those POY awards out of High School. Also bringing up Ford who had many of the same challenges as Perry with many of the same strengths as well except Perry to this point in his basketball life has outplayed Ford.
 
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Yesterday the KSR guys were discussing court storming and was there ever a time that UK fans should storm the court. Drew said UK is Goliath and never should Goliath storm the court. Matt went on to say the only time we were ever David against Goliath that he can remember was against Duke in 92. Since when has a 1 vs 2 seed been a David vs Goliath matchup? He made it sound like it was a 1 vs 16 not 1 vs 2. I'm sure Duke was favored but it was not a David vs Goliath scenario.
 
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cut_itloosedoubledeuce said:
Ford and mashburn… that 93 team. Man, that was one of my all time favorite teams. Great memories for a 12 year old boy falling in love with UK bball.
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Call me crazy but I am still more butthurt over that team losing to the Fab 5 in the FF than I was the 15 team losing to WI. Mashburn’s last game plus they steamrolled everybody in the tournament to the point that I am still convinced they were the best team that year. The 15 team did not have anyone even close to Mashburn’s impact on the program plus it became obvious they regressed a good bit vs how good they were earlier that season so the loss was not a complete shock.
 
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cole854 said:
In 1990 he was in 12th grade....a senior (4 years later than the 8th grade topic)....thus the accolades. Good try, though, but your post was actually more ignorant than Vern's.
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You just love having it both ways. He wasn't a top recruit in 9th grade. He was only a top recruit because he was a senior (thus the accolades, of course).

So which is it, was he a top recruit or not?
 
Hank Camacho said:
Don't argue with UKO. He doesn't care about facts. He just thrives on pushing buttons in places he is not wanted on the internet -- as he has proven multiple thousands of times over the decades.

It really is sad.
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He's basically a human tick. A parasite that sucks and swells up after being annoying for a few hours. Probably carries diseases too.
 
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Creed Bratton said:
Yesterday the KSR guys were discussing court storming and was there ever a time that UK fans should storm the court. Drew said UK is Goliath and never should Goliath storm the court. Matt went on to say the only time we were ever David against Goliath that he can remember was against Duke in 92. Since when has a 1 vs 2 seed been a David vs Goliath matchup? He made it sound like it was a 1 vs 16 not 1 vs 2. I'm sure Duke was favored but it was not a David vs Goliath scenario.
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Found this online about the game and the spread...

Kentucky was a 7.5-point underdog, and nobody outside the commonwealth (and hardly anybody inside of it) thought the spread was unreasonable. If anything, it seemed on the low side. The question wasn't if Duke would beat Kentucky, but by how much?
 
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I mean Duke was the defending champs and returned practically their whole team. Talent wise only Mashburn would crack their rotation. Even though it was a 1 v 2, it's pretty incredible that that UK team took them to the last shot in OT.

No school with the history similar to UK should ever have fans rushing the floor. I'm looking at you IU.
 
Ford and Mashburn were a deadly combo but without Mashburn, who at least in my lifetime is second to maybe Anthony Davis as the greatest player at UK, he was pretty average. Ford's sophomore year (and as a transfer his 3rd year of college) he was a 37% 3-pt shooter with totals that are going to be pretty close to what Perry's will be this season. His junior year was sensational, 52% from 3, a ton of individual awards. Ford's senior year with no Mashburn, Ford struggled. He scored a 100 fewer points and his 3-pt percentage was down to 38%. So Perry is fine and by his senior year could be every bit the player Ford was.

Duke in 1992 was a whole different type of #1 seed. They were a super team that was defending national champion, would go on to win the title that year,and had been runner-up the year before that. It was not a typical 1 vs. 2 seed. Us getting the two seed that year and being put in that region was considered a fool's errand.

The only situation we've ever been that could have been similar would have been IU in 1975. I was too young to remember but my parents would get emotional talking about that one because we were living in Indiana at the time.
 
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m080470 said:
The only situation we've ever been that could have been similar would have been IU in 1975. I was too young to remember but my parents would get emotional talking about that one because we were living in Indiana at the time.
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That is the first game I still remember watching. I remember how elated my parents were, and they tried to explain the magnitude to me. I didn't totally get it until I was a little older.

Outside of national championships, that may have been the most consequential win in UK history.

We were the only thing that kept IU from being undefeated two seasons in a row. Of course, they went undefeated the next year, and were the last team to do so.
 
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The UK-Duke game is really like a Kennedy assassination, where were you when Laettner hit the shot moment for the Commonwealth. We were given no chance. The things I remember is Laettner was unstoppable but should have been ejected and also, and maybe I'm wrong about this, but that was the first season a technical foul counted as a personal foul and he should have fouled out because he had four personal fouls and the technical but maybe that's wrong, I won't ever watch it again to see if that's right.

It seems like what nearly tipped the game in our favor and the experts didn't think about was Bobby Hurley had never played against a team like UK that pressed after every made shot. Hurley struggled and by the end of the game was exhausted and making a lot of mistakes.

A couple of the stories was someone who had gone to Derby Dinner Playhouse said there was a TV in the bar area and the game was on. This person said as the game went on and as it got nip and tuck, a crowd was gathering around to watch the game soon the game was getting a bigger crowd than the play. Another story was Louisville had the hockey team the River Frogs playing a home game that night and the PA announcer announced UK-Duke was going to overtime and for those who hadn't brought a transistor radio with them they were going to pipe in Cawood's call of overtime over the PA.
 
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