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Great Billy Reed column on Coach Rupp

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Great article that dispels many of the myths portrayed by the national media. Every UK fan should be aware of the facts about the coach that built Ky into the program it is today.
 
This article helps and so did Dick Gabriel's piece on Rupp that came out 10 years ago. But the national narritive is Rupp was a racist and perpuated the same opinion throughout his program. Isn't it amazing what national writer's can do when they spread their "knowledge". Wooden and Smith are idolized for their integration, knowledge of the game, and how they helped kids, but both have been shown to have cheated or at least knowledge of cheating withing their respective programs....but ESPN, CBS, SI, etc. be damned if you try to change the story of those 2 men!
 
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First 3 words of your thread title are contradictory. heh.

Odd thing about Reed: loves him some old time UK. Loves Rupp. Loves CM. Hates anything remotely "modern", including the fan base......
 
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Ok, I read that, and it was a fair piece. Maybe Reed is right, CBS simply didn't want him involved with the documentary because they are convinced of and invested in the notion that Rupp was a horrible racist, and they didn't want an opposing view.

But seems to me there's an alternative explanation just as plausible. In short, Reed has no credibility left. We're talking about a shooting star here. As he says, asst. editor of the Herald while still in school, columnist for the Herald, then columnist for the CJ when it was still one of the 10 best papers in the country. All at a very young age. Then to senior writer status at Sports Illustrated, when that magazine was iconic. Then back to the CJ. Then, for reasons I won't speculate about but are routinely speculated about, the bottom dropped out. He will finish his career having written for more unknown fish wraps than imaginable. Those personal problems ruined his career, and zapped his credibility. Maybe CBS is biased and wants to remain so. Or maybe you don't put someone with Reed's history and rep in front of your camera if you care about how the product will be received?
 
...Then, for reasons I won't speculate about but are routinely speculated about, the bottom dropped out.

Could his fall possibly be the Internet made pretty much all print media (and their ilk who refused to adapt to a new world, e.g., Reed) irrelevant?
 
I met Coach Rupp a few times (through my aunt/uncle who were best friends with the Rupps).

I know that adds nothing to this thread. But I just wanted to say that because....OK, I admit it....I'm bragging.
I lived in the house Fred Moore Music is in on S Ashland as a kid (it looked different then) and I would ride my bike down Euclid. Coach Rupp use to walk that stretch a lot and I would pass him and say Hi Coach and he would say howdy little fella be careful. I don't know how many times that happened but crazy true...lol
 
Ok, I read that, and it was a fair piece. Maybe Reed is right, CBS simply didn't want him involved with the documentary because they are convinced of and invested in the notion that Rupp was a horrible racist, and they didn't want an opposing view.

But seems to me there's an alternative explanation just as plausible. In short, Reed has no credibility left. We're talking about a shooting star here. As he says, asst. editor of the Herald while still in school, columnist for the Herald, then columnist for the CJ when it was still one of the 10 best papers in the country. All at a very young age. Then to senior writer status at Sports Illustrated, when that magazine was iconic. Then back to the CJ. Then, for reasons I won't speculate about but are routinely speculated about, the bottom dropped out. He will finish his career having written for more unknown fish wraps than imaginable. Those personal problems ruined his career, and zapped his credibility. Maybe CBS is biased and wants to remain so. Or maybe you don't put someone with Reed's history and rep in front of your camera if you care about how the product will be received?

You could be right, but at least according to him he was all set to be part of the panel until CBS learned about his views.

As far as what the truth is regarding CBS' intentions, I guess we'll see who ends up being on the panel. Who else is more credible on this topic to present the UK side?

I would guess Joe B. Hall (who was in his 1st season as assistant coach at UK in 1965-66 and was UK's lead recruiter), Pat Riley (who was a player on the '66 team) or Dave Kindred (an extremely well respected media member who knew Rupp personally and has been a defender of his reputation on this issue) would be possibilities. But not many beyond that, who both knew Rupp first-hand and who would not be outright dismissed by critics.

FWIW, I've heard a few former UK players like Larry Conley etc. use the 'he was a product of his time' argument and not only do I find that a weak argument, but frankly I think it is a disservice to Rupp as it ignores the many positive things Rupp did over his career which helped to promote integration.

As for CBS, they bungled the 25-year anniversary documentary. One of their most egregious moments was when they trotted out the old line about Rupp claiming that 'no five black players could beat my team', a claim which has never been substantiated and which Don Haskins later essentially admitted was made up to get his players psyched for the game.

What did CBS do? They not only ran with the claim, but in the background they showed footage (but no audio) of Rupp at a press conference, which subliminally supported the idea that Rupp MUST have said it (afterall, seeing IS believing, despite the fact that there's absolutely no actual evidence of him saying this, and no mention in the media etc. from any press conference during that time, or ever, of Rupp saying this.)

In fact, the various Texas Western claims about when and where this supposed remark was supposed to have been made have been all over the map. It's clear that Haskins told his black players this remark before the game, but completely unsubstantiated that Rupp himself said it (either to Haskins, any other TW official or to the press etc.)
 
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FWIW, I've heard a few former UK players like Larry Conley etc. use the 'he was a product of his time' argument and not only do I find that a weak argument, but frankly I think it is a disservice to Rupp as it ignores the many positive things Rupp did over his career which helped to promote integration.
Preach it, Brother. When I heard Larry say that in an interview, I wanted to shout: "Hey Larry, I hear you! YOU are implicitly confessing that YOU were a racist because YOU were a product of YOUR time."

I bet he wouldn't send me a Christmas card.
 
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but Rupp was a racist.
 
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You could be right, but at least according to him he was all set to be part of the panel until CBS learned about his views.

As far as what the truth is, I guess we'll see who ends up being on the panel. Who else is more credible on this topic to present the UK side?

I would guess Joe B. Hall (who was in his 1st season as assistant coach at UK in 1965-66 and was UK's lead recruiter), Pat Riley (who was a player on the '66 team) or Dave Kindred (an extremely well respected media member who knew Rupp personally and has been a defender of his reputation on this issue) would be possibilities. But not many beyond that.

FWIW, I've heard a few former UK players like Larry Conley etc. use the 'he was a product of his time' argument and not only do I find that a weak argument, but frankly I think it is a disservice to Rupp as it ignores the many positive things Rupp did over his career which helped to promote integration.

As for CBS, they bungled the 25-year anniversary. One of their most egregious moments was when they trotted out the old line about Rupp claiming that 'no five black players could beat my team', a claim which has never been substantiated and which Don Haskins has essentially admitted was made up to get his players psyched for the game.

What did CBS do? They not only ran with the claim, but in the background they showed footage (but no audio) of Rupp at a press conference, which subliminally supported the idea that Rupp must have said it. (despite the fact that there's absolutely no mention in the media etc. from any press conference during that time, or ever, of Rupp saying this.)
As Coach Rupp's last student manager along with John Ferguson...I can assure you He was no racist
period..end of story.There are fewer folks around any more that were alive back then.Herky Rupp always says."there are those who know the truth"..but nobdy asks us..Sad..Coach Rupp was a fine Christian man..from a hard beginning..but he could care less about the color of your skin.it was the size of your heart.
 
I wonder why CBS decided they didn't need Reed's input for the 50th anniversary show after he said his viewpoint is markedly different from Hollywood and the revisionist historians. I wonder what it is that keeps this narrative from being corrected.
 
I wonder why CBS decided they didn't need Reed's input for the 50th anniversary show after he said his viewpoint is markedly different from Hollywood and the revisionist historians. I wonder what it is that keeps this narrative from being corrected.

Ignorance, and an aversion to having an actual open and honest dialog about race in this country.

Rupp has been made the scape-goat for all the ills of segregation in college basketball, despite the facts which show he was actually ahead of his peers in many areas. For many people, it's far easier to pile on to the scape-goat than take a hard look at what they themselves (or their ancestors) did [or did not do] then, and are doing now [or not doing now] with respect to tearing down barriers (racial or otherwise).

For those who are predisposed to disliking UK, it's a convenient club they think they can use to gain an advantage. The fact that using it exclusively on Rupp (and not anyone else) exposes them as a hypocrite is lost on them.
 
Ignorance, and an aversion to having an actual open and honest dialog about race in this country.

Rupp has been made the scape-goat for all the ills of segregation in college basketball, despite the facts which show he was actually ahead of his peers in many areas. For many people, it's far easier to pile on to the scape-goat than take a hard look at what they themselves (or their ancestors) did [or did not do] then, and are doing now [or not doing now] with respect to tearing down barriers (racial or otherwise).

For those who are predisposed to disliking UK, it's a convenient club they think they can use to gain an advantage. The fact that using it exclusively on Rupp (and not anyone else) exposes them as a hypocrite is lost on them.
I don't think it's ignorance on CBS's part, they have a storyline they can trot out every 5, 10 years and to put it in press parlance "it sells papers" the facts be damned and the reputation of a great man as well.
 
I don't think it's ignorance on CBS's part, they have a storyline they can trot out every 5, 10 years and to put it in press parlance "it sells papers" the facts be damned and the reputation of a great man as well.

From CBS's perspective, it's a little of both. You're certainly right that it makes for a more compelling storyline to portray a hero and a villain. But believe me, most of those TV producers are just as clueless about the history as rest of the general public.

But my comments were more towards the question of why the narrative hasn't been corrected. It's not on CBS IMO, as much as on people to demand that CBS and others stop perpetrating lies. That's where I think it helps if UK fans as a whole are at least educated in what the facts are, regardless of what you think about Rupp and his legacy.

Rupp was no saint, and he deserves criticism for what he did and for what he failed to do during his career, just like anyone else. But at the same time he deserves to not be inundated with false claims, many of which have been fabricated by people who had ulterior motives IMO.

The more willing UK fans are to dispute obvious lies, and to question the actual motives and reveal the hypocrisies of those critics who obviously aren't seriously interested in the issue other than to use as a blunt weapon, the better IMO.

I think some progress has certainly been made over the past 10 years especially, but not a whole lot.
 
The conclusions about Rupp by his detractors are lazy and, in some cases, purposeful. Anything at all that hints at historical racism within our program can bleed over to the school and maybe to the state. I am sure that recruiters have not discouraged all this negative bs about Rupp over the years.
 
The conclusions about Rupp by his detractors are lazy and, in some cases, purposeful. Anything at all that hints at historical racism within our program can bleed over to the school and maybe to the state. I am sure that recruiters have not discouraged all this negative bs about Rupp over the years.

Exactly. FYI I have yet to find one of Rupp's strong detractors to be seriously interested in the issue or history of integration.

If they were, they would quickly know how hypocritical it would be to try to single Rupp out for the many problems encountered in collegiate athletics with respect to this issue.

Instead it's simply a convenient and self-serving method to further their anti-UK agenda, which is a very poor reason to bring up the issue of racism IMO.
 
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