Grayson Looks great against everyone BUT......

[LineSkiCat14]

Yesssss! I thought I remembered you had PS skills @maverick1 .

ACC is going to be tough this year for Duke. Miami with back-to-back upset wins, They will probably be ranked soon as a lot of mid-majors are going to drop out. FSU and NCST won't be gauranteed wins either. Not to mention UNC and Virginia.. also ND, @Pitt. Syracuse and UofL will still put up tough games in ACC play. Not an easy road at all. Not many teams I can point out that will just roll over for Duke.

Almost mentioned Maryland. Not sure when I'll realize they aren't in the ACC anymore.

 

[Wildcat-in-STL]

As far as the Allen flopping calls or no calls. Having 2 SEC refs went a long way for us in having the obvious flops go uncalled.

Which when you think about it.. we shot 5 less FT's and had key guys get phantom fouls and foul out.... and there was 2 SEC refs. lol its like the best we can ever hope for with SEC officiating is that they won't call flops.

 

[Kycatspaws]

 

[rabidcatfan]

Is it me or does he look like the spawn of Coach K? I swear he looks like K's illegitimate son or something. Same rat face.

 

[kyjeff1]

Of all the years watching Duke games with Dickie V calling them, that was the absolute worst slurp fest over one player I have EVER seen. EVER.

Nope, couple years ago Brett Musberger couldn't stop talking about "THE HONEY BADGER" during an LSU football game it was… ..weird.

 

[kyjeff1]

Dude is a great player. We did a great job against him.

Our Duke win looking pretty good now and will look really good come Selection Sunday.

Exactly. This is what I was saying prior to the duke game. Some on here were saying it was a meaningless November game. When you win it it's not meaningless at all, especially when Duke goes on and beats a bunch of other good teams. VCU and Georgetown aren't great but they're solid and neither team locked Duke down like UK did. We gave them the blueprint and they couldn't do the job.
But the bottom line is this game will end up being a meaningful November game for UK.

 

[kyjeff1]

He is a nice player but Vitale made it impossible to listen to and Grayson himself celebrating after each shot made me want to throw up. Many others Vitale would have commented about this...he will have that grad assistant job soon.

He celebrates after each made bucket because he himself can't believe he's doing what he's doing but I think eventually everyone's going to figure out how to guard him. He isn't good enough to average 27 for the whole year. Maybe 15 once Duke gets into conference play.
No doubt he is a good player though.

 

[kyjeff1]

Hes scored 30 and 32 since our game. All it tells me is hes playing against inferior competition and as a whole UK is better then Duke. Ulis is to quick for Allen, Briscoe is to strong for Allen and Murray is to athletic for Allen. If we play them in March with Skal coming into his own, Poy fully trusting his Knee, Willis not playing scared, Lee getting better as the season goes I think we win again.

Regardless of the competition, scoring 30 points a game at the college level is still very good.
I'd rather not discount what our defense did against Duke. It seems like we are trying to convince ourselves that Allen is garbage because we shut him down but I think it's more accurate(an complimentary) to say Grayson Allen is a really good college player right now.

 

[Wildcat-in-STL]

you better discount what we did against Duke.... Right now they are really over rated. If their jersey's didnt say Duke right now and confused the refs, they'd have 3 losses already.

 

[Re2126]

The kid pushes off everytime he drives. It's his desperate attempt a getting space and the refs swallow the whistle.

He is getting that special treatment and it will get worse as the season goes on.

 

[UKCatsFan10]

Grayson Allen is good, no doubt about it. He's really only got two weapons which are driving uncontrollably to the right and 3 point shooting (which is better than I thought btw), but he's good. However, Duke is not going to be good as long as Grayson Allen is scoring 30 points a game. They have to find some balance and offensive identity other than give the ball to GA and see what happens. It's like a few years ago when the Lakers were losing every game that Kobe scored 40+, but had a great winning percentage when he scored 20.

Last night he was as efficient as anyone could ever hope for (32 points, 9-12 FG, 5-6 3 point) and they still struggled to put away a mediocre G-Town team. Same thing with VCU.

 

[kyjeff1]

you better discount what we did against Duke.... Right now they are really over rated. If their jersey's didnt say Duke right now and confused the refs, they'd have 3 losses already.

You would have a point if we barely beat them. We dominated them even though we were in foul trouble all game, crapload of turnovers and bad mistakes and we left a ton of points at the free throw line.
The only team I have seen right now at this point that is killing it is Miami. Nobody else really seems to be a huge threat right now .

 

[TheDude1]

Grayson's "performance" (such as it was) against Kentucky was courtesy of a few factors.

First, Kentucky's defenders are really good; athletic and long... probably some of the best defenders he has faced.

Second, Grayson was just off as heck, mentally; you could see it in how he was pressing and trying to do things over and over when most people, including him in other games, usually adjust.

Seems likely that, in the analysis of Grayson, the Kentucky game was an outlier, thanks in part to the quality of the UK defenders but also in part to sheer "whoops, bad game"ness.

No biggie. For a bench guy to have to change his role entirely is difficult, especially when he doesn't have Top 5 type physical tools. Don't think anyone is that worried about Grayson.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

No biggie. For a bench guy to have to change his role entirely is difficult, especially when he doesn't have Top 5 type physical tools. Don't think anyone is that worried about Grayson.

But, that's kind of my point. Sure, Kentucky is, at face-value, the outlier. But if he's a "bench guy" who "doesn't have top5 tools", maybe the Kentucky game ISN'T the odd performance out. He was rated where he was for a reason, and he was on the bench for a reason. He rattles off a few good performances over really struggling teams right now. ESPN tweeted last night that the LAST time Georgetown went 1-3, they hired John Thompson. That tells you the shape of Georgetown right now.

Maybe Grayson makes a name for himself.. But for now, until I see what he does, night in and night out in the ACC, He's Jeremy Lin-hype. A few overstated games, and people go crazy. The League figures out out to play him and his numbers drop by like 65%.

 

[TheDude1]

But, that's kind of my point. Sure, Kentucky is, at face-value, the outlier. But if he's a "bench guy" who "doesn't have top5 tools", maybe the Kentucky game ISN'T the odd performance out. He was rated where he was for a reason, and he was on the bench for a reason. He rattles off a few good performances over really struggling teams right now. ESPN tweeted last night that the LAST time Georgetown went 1-3, they hired John Thompson. That tells you the shape of Georgetown right now.

Maybe Grayson makes a name for himself.. But for now, until I see what he does, night in and night out in the ACC, He's Jeremy Lin-hype. A few overstated games, and people go crazy. The League figures out out to play him and his numbers drop by like 65%.

Sorry, by bench guy I mean that last year he was a sub... obviously, sitting behind Justise Winslow and Tyus Jones and Quinn Cook isn't THAT bad. And Grayson isn't a 6'6, SUPER long limbed, super lateral movement sort of guy. He is obviously athletic, but he doesn't have top five type physical talent (most guys don't.) Maybe he WON'T keep it up against ACC teams. But as of right now, the Kentucky game is sort of the definition of outlier, in that it is the only game where he didn't pour in a TON of points from all over the court. I think that is partly because the UK guys are some of the best defenders in the country, and partly because he just had a stinker of a game in a relatively new environment and role.

And Georgetown is a pretty good basketball team. If you look at their record, they lost to Maryland, one of the best teams in the nation, by four. They lost to Duke, another top top team, by only 2. They beat Wisconsin by 10. The only loss I think they should take any crap for is Radford. RIght now they are a fantastic example of a record not really telling the whole tale of a team.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

I guess we have differing views of the competition. Kentucky is the outlier if you're simply going by the numbers. But Kentucky is also the only team really worth a damn. Georgetown is OK, and VCU the same.. but Siena is awful and Bryant is even worse. We aren't talking low mid-majors.. were talking bottom feeders right now. Siena is not thew Siena from the late 2000's.

Wisconsin dropped out of the rankings last week, and will fall further this week. they lost a lot of talent last year. They were given a top25 spot because of going to the F4 two years in a row. No Dekker, No Gasser, No Jackson, No Frank The Tank.. So Georgetown beating them, doesn't do much for me.. at least not yet. But they are not good teams right now.