Goodman and O'Neil

[kb22stang]

Clearly, Cal and the players are not the ones involved- well I think that is a safe assumption. Higgins made conscious decisions to alter the outcomes of games- and he is getting blowback. Higgins knows there is nothing Cal or the players will do about it. And in fact the NCAA putting him in the final four shows they don't care either. So if an outside party or parties shows their disdain for his actions, so be it. Assuming it doesn't involve any type of threats.

So we are settling in on the fan superhero justification. Solid effort, now if we could get these superheroes to turn their powers toward the state of Kentucky's public education system, once they're done trashing the roofing business of course, that would be great.

 

[KYFOSSIL]

So are you saying that Cal is the one posting on the guys FB page? Or are you saying the players are? Both? If so then I understand your logic. If not, well then logic clearly escapes you. Or are you saying fans are superheroes that are sticking up for the little guy (millionaire Cal)? I bet that's it, the fans are simply keyboard heroes that are trying to right a wrong, not pissed off sad little humans mad because their team lost a game.

There should never be death threats, if there even were but when you claim to be a "Rooferee" then you have tied the two professions together and they are both vulnerable to your actions. Cheating kids trying to real a goal they cherish causes outrage. It's normal for those who support these kids to get outraged.

Your self righteousness and condescending manner erases any point you try to get across.

 

[kb22stang]

There should never be death threats, if there even were but when you claim to be a "Rooferee" then you have tied the two professions together and they are both vulnerable to your actions. Cheating kids trying to real a goal they cherish causes outrage. It's normal for those who support these kids to get outraged.

Your self righteousness and condescending manner erases any point you try to get across.

If I come across as self righteous and condescending its because the opposing point is so utterly flawed and wrong that it's almost impossible to believe that people really buy into it.

But hey, go ahead and tear down his business, show that referee. I hope it changes the outcome of the game or the pocketbook of Cal or the players missing out on a goal.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

An old quote from our condescending friend kbb22stang:

"If it’s just a game why do we pay coaches over 2million a year to coach? Because winning absolutely matters."

From looking at your history bud I think I understand you a bit better. You're intelligent but full of yourself and you enjoy being a contrarian. No one cares if you approve of fans going after Higgins, NO ONE.

 

[Mojocat]

They hate Cal, like Tubby, and love Rick. They don't like one and dones.

I don't think their dislike of UK has much to do with us as fans.

Do you mean Goodman and O'Neill in particular, or just in general? We have long been disliked, by the public at large and especially by media types. Only Duke can rival us for widespread hate, and they are relative newcomers. I think it does have something to do with the fan base. Really, these reasons come to mind:

1. Calipari/One & Done. He is a lightning rod, a polarizing figure. Always was, dating back to the Carnasecca story. Now you add the one and done to that, it's only worse. And he's at Kentucky, again, makes it only worse.
2. Racist history. This has been beaten to death. But at some point in the late 80s into the early 90s the idea began to take shape that Rupp was a virulent racist, and the '66 title game began to stand for something that it did not in real time. Every story needs a villain, and the crop of journalists that came of age in the 1970s and later latched on to us as the villain. By now, this story is crystalized as accepted gospel. It no longer matters what the truth is.
3. Cheating history. It doesn't matter that we've been clean for almost 30 years. The point shaving scandal in the early 50s, and the Emory matter in the late 1980s define us for a whole group of people.
4. The fan base is "Exhibit A for excessive behavior". That's an old Bob Ryan quote about UK fans. We are crazy. There are other very large, very crazy fan bases, but the only one that really rivals us is Bama's football fan base. We will descend like a plague on any writer - or referee - that dares to offend.

You add all that up and it paints a picture of a school & fan base that has its priorities all out of whack - where literally anything is acceptable if it means more wins. Anyone looking into the matter in any detail would come away with a different conclusion, but people are lazy, and want to talk in vague generalities.

 

[FHAZCat]

1. Don't make death threats.
2. Don't screw over the team with the nation's most passionate fan base and expect people to just lay back and take it.

Rules to live by.

Here lies the problem created by loonies, UK loonies. Every official who calls UK games will remember that one of his fellow officials received death threats because of angry UK fans. NOT fans of other schools. UK fans! People in management and executive positions will also remember.

My guess is this was done by a person who comes from that great mass of fourth generation of rabid fans who lock themselves in the bathroom and contemplate suicide after every UK loss. Maturity and sensibility will come very late in life to such people. Perhaps, it will never come.

 

[Ocornett]

Good lord, do they teach reading comprehension in this state? I never said I care about how much money Cal lost, because it was an insignificant amount.

But stop the BS, the people doing this are not doing it for Cal or the players, they're doing it because UK basketball is the only thing they have in their life that's worth a crap. Stop trying to make this disgusting behavior noble or altruistic.

This thread is going south, I'm out,

 

[morgousky]

Whether Higgins has a history with Calipari/UK or not does not justify people calling him home and business and making death threats. It's a basketball game. Get over it.

It was just a basketball game 50 years ago. Today it's a billion dollar industry with multi millionaire coaches and players. Higgins gets what he gets. Hope like hell its effecting his life and the people around him. Idgaf.

 

[Mash 2.4]

Goddammit I'm so sick of hearing this screwing with his livelihood shit. His true livelihood is reffing. The roofing business is a place to hide money. Period. I'd imagine Higgins hasn't been on a damn roof in ages If ever. if his livelihood is reffing he deserves all the criticism he has received. Because he is corrupt.

 

[catdance]

So we are settling in on the fan superhero justification. Solid effort, now if we could get these superheroes to turn their powers toward the state of Kentucky's public education system, once they're done trashing the roofing business of course, that would be great.