Goodman and O'Neil

[UKUGA]

Authors of the story on ESPN.

Assuming one of them clicks on this . . . do some digging.

Dana, since your favorite Dukies are long gone, spend some time researching the history of Higgins and Cal, Higgins and UK.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/

(Story will not be hard to find)

 

[Cawood86]

Ain't reading nothing she writes or him. No need in wasting my time.

 

[ulismyman]

Ain't reading nothing she writes or him. No need in wasting my time.

It is all jealousy all the time on UK...always comes back to that

 

[SpamburgerHamburger]

If idiots wouldn't do stupid things like contact an official at home or business there wouldn't be a story to write. Be mad at those idiots, not people for reporting on it.

 

[UKUGA]

If idiots wouldn't do stupid things like contact an official at home or business there wouldn't be a story to write. Be mad at those idiots, not people for reporting on it.

I expect them to write a story. But I expect a reputable journalist to write THE story.

Journalism is dead.

 

[Montana81]

Goodman has been a little more reasonable since moving to ESPN. I saw him link his story in Twitter but he responded to a fans tweet by admitting that it's a very small fraction of the UK fans that are like this and as a whole the UK fan base is a positive.

Dana Oneil is awful though. In every story of hers I've ever read her arrogance and narrow mindedness oozes from every written line.

 

[king of cali]

Whether Higgins has a history with Calipari/UK or not does not justify people calling him home and business and making death threats. It's a basketball game. Get over it.

 

[ThroughBlue]

Mods please, please ban the op for linking trash created by Jeff Goodman and Dana O Neal

 

[UKWildcats#8]

Whether Higgins has a history with Calipari/UK or not does not justify people calling him home and business and making death threats. It's a basketball game. Get over it.

And it's just a crappy roofing business...he needs to get over it to.

 

[Wildcat-in-STL]

I'll never read an article from either one of those dumpster girls.

 

[UKUGA]

Whether Higgins has a history with Calipari/UK or not does not justify people calling him home and business and making death threats. It's a basketball game. Get over it.

I'm not saying that behavior is justified. But the question is and remains - why did this game elicit this response from this fan base?

A good journalist, and there are not many left, would see an opportunity to dig into this and find out why.

This isn't that complicated.

Yes, there are stupid people that have way over-reacted to this situation.

But, there has been plenty of sensible reaction, but that response is coming largely from people who don't have the platform of ESPN, a newspaper, etc.

It is not any more irrational to want a fair game, than it is to cheer for your team in the first place.

Is this professional wrestling, or this a legitimate sport?

 

[Mojocat]

Whether Higgins has a history with Calipari/UK or not does not justify people calling him home and business and making death threats. It's a basketball game. Get over it.

Distinction between complaining and making this issue known publicly vs threats. Obviously threats of any kind are way out of bounds, no matter what he's done. But raising the profile of this issue is very much warranted. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

 

[king of cali]

Distinction between complaining and making this issue known publicly vs threats. Obviously threats of any kind are way out of bounds, no matter what he's done. But raising the profile of this issue is very much warranted. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

I agree with making the issue known. No problem with that. But that becomes secondary the moment people start making death threats. Now the real issue is overlooked because a few idiots crossed the line.

 

[Deli owl]

Whether Higgins has a history with Calipari/UK or not does not justify people calling him home and business and making death threats. It's a basketball game. Get over it.

It used to be a basketball game. Now it's a multi-billion dollar industry. I bet if Windows or Intel were screwed over they would be fighting mad about it.

 

[TheAnonymous13]

I'm not saying that behavior is justified. But the question is and remains - why did this game elicit this response from this fan base?

A good journalist, and there are not many left, would see an opportunity to dig into this and find out why.

This isn't that complicated.

Yes, there are stupid people that have way over-reacted to this situation.

But, there has been plenty of sensible reaction, but that response is coming largely from people who don't have the platform of ESPN, a newspaper, etc.

It is not any more irrational to want a fair game, than it is to cheer for your team in the first place.

Is this professional wrestling, or this a legitimate sport?

I agree.
I expect the mainstream media to simply cover the salacious story. . . .fan reaction.
But a sports journalist has an opportunity to proive a complelling, in-depth story here. Someone should do it.

 

[Bluesnky]

1. Don't make death threats.
2. Don't screw over the team with the nation's most passionate fan base and expect people to just lay back and take it.

Rules to live by.

 

[awf]

I'm not saying that behavior is justified. But the question is and remains - why did this game elicit this response from this fan base?

A good journalist, and there are not many left, would see an opportunity to dig into this and find out why.

This isn't that complicated.

Yes, there are stupid people that have way over-reacted to this situation.

But, there has been plenty of sensible reaction, but that response is coming largely from people who don't have the platform of ESPN, a newspaper, etc.

It is not any more irrational to want a fair game, than it is to cheer for your team in the first place.

Is this professional wrestling, or this a legitimate sport?

No one wants to look behind the curtain.

 

[struggler]

Goodman and O'neil

Douche and Douchier

 

[kb22stang]

It is all jealousy all the time on UK...always comes back to that

Why would ONeil be jealous of UK. Some of you need to realize that they don't dislike us because we've won, they do so because basketball has become far too important for many of our fans. Cal even talks about it, but laughs it off. It's the main reason why coaching this program is so difficult and also a reason why there are resources for it on the level that Cal requires.

 

[ThroughBlue]

OP please edit your original post to not include a link to that trash

 

[shidler]

Our level of fandom seems extremely irrational to some. They find it irritating and unbecoming. Some feel we are hyper-sensitive and illogically paranoid. Because of this, they "call us out"....and it all feeds upon itself.

 

[Bluesnky]

They hate Cal, like Tubby, and love Rick. They don't like one and dones.

I don't think their dislike of UK has much to do with us as fans.

 

[irishcat1965]

Whether Higgins has a history with Calipari/UK or not does not justify people calling him home and business and making death threats. It's a basketball game. Get over it.

Death threats I agree. But spare me it's just a basketball game when Cal's lost a ton of money in bonuses and the players lost an opportunity to showcase their talent in the final four due to one man's axe to grind. He deserves everything he gets short of physical harm or the threat thereof.

 

[Blueaz]

Whether Higgins has a history with Calipari/UK or not does not justify people calling him home and business and making death threats. It's a basketball game. Get over it.

where are the "death threats"? I have not seen one...maybe you have

 

[catben]

Why would ONeil be jealous of UK. Some of you need to realize that they don't dislike us because we've won, they do so because basketball has become far too important for many of our fans. Cal even talks about it, but laughs it off. It's the main reason why coaching this program is so difficult and also a reason why there are resources for it on the level that Cal requires.

Cal is "laughing" all the way to the bank. Cal KNOWS the scrutiny the UK Program and he himself garners from the College Basketball Media, the NCAA and opposing fans and coaches.

What these same entities fail to acknowledge is the fact that the #BBN is the driving force in providing each(NCAA, Media, other programs) a following that otherwise would not exist without us.

NCAA Basketball, including it's media, is the only organization I have EVER encountered that craps on its biggest customer and supporter. It's mind boggling!

 

[Ocornett]

Read JR's Post. Hit the old nail on the head.

 

[kb22stang]

Death threats I agree. But spare me it's just a basketball game when Cal's lost a ton of money in bonuses and the players lost an opportunity to showcase their talent in the final four due to one man's axe to grind. He deserves everything he gets short of physical harm or the threat thereof.

How much is a "ton of money" that he lost?

 

[irishcat1965]

How much is a "ton of money" that he lost?

I think his bonus for making the final four is $100,000. Winning the title is much higher.

 

[Cawood86]

No condoning or excusing that level of response to threaten him physically. It will likely force Cal to now address it and it makes a few low intelligence folks look like they represent the whole fanbase.
Also, it takes away from the obvious bias Higgins has against Cal and now makes him the victim of an "Over the top fanatics".
The other stuff I had no problem with. This ruins the light that was being shone on it and now turns it into a narrative of how delusional UK fans are.

 

[BlueElvis]

If anyone these days are expecting an honest investigation/opinion from any media source you have to be delusional. But hey..let 'em keep it up, ESPN's stocks and subscribers are dropping like hot rocks.CNN is even worse,people are cutting the cable cord at an alarming rate.

I have a hard time even believing a UK fan even made these supposed threats, I mean hell, the mainstream media is trying to convince me that Putin drove me to the voting booth last November..

 

[irishcat1965]

No condoning or excusing that level of response to threaten him physically. It will likely force Cal to now address it and it makes a few low intelligence folks look like they represent the whole fanbase.
Also, it takes away from the obvious bias Higgins has against Cal and now makes him the victim of an "Over the top fanatics".
The other stuff I had no problem with. This ruins the light that was being shone on it and now turns it into a narrative of how delusional UK fans are.

Exactly. No threats of violence are ever tolerable. But financially? He reaps what he sows.

 

[qwesley]

Whether Higgins has a history with Calipari/UK or not does not justify people calling him home and business and making death threats. It's a basketball game. Get over it.

Don't think anyone is really justifying it, they just don't care if he has been trolled or it is way down on their list of concerns. These dramatic statements about "his livelihood" by grown men are embarrassing. He will be just fine.

 

[Montana81]

I read the other day Cal's only bonus is for APR.

 

[kb22stang]

I think his bonus for making the final four is $100,000. Winning the title is much higher.

So IF he determined the outcome of the game he cost Cal 1% of his income, yeah, that's worth trying to ruin the man's livelihood.

Surely you all are taking that position just on this message board, and you're not really serious because that's beyond pathetic.

 

[Mojocat]

Why would ONeil be jealous of UK. Some of you need to realize that they don't dislike us because we've won, they do so because basketball has become far too important for many of our fans. Cal even talks about it, but laughs it off. It's the main reason why coaching this program is so difficult and also a reason why there are resources for it on the level that Cal requires.

Agree with that - but then, you're simply acknowledging what many say: there are plenty of folks out there (including sportswriters and game officials) that don't like either Kentucky as a program or Calipari as a coach or Kentucky's fan base. It's an obvious observation, which leads to another one: people act on their bias. Just about everyone. Which gets us to where we are.

 

[irishcat1965]

So IF he determined the outcome of the game he cost Cal 1% of his income, yeah, that's worth trying to ruin the man's livelihood.

Surely you all are taking that position just on this message board, and you're not really serious because that's beyond pathetic.

So it matters to you the amount it affects Cal. Which means your point is totally bogus. What about the players? How do you quantify the effect on the players? Because apparently you don't give a shit how it affects them. You are making Higgins the victim. He isn't. He brought all of this on himself. If he did his job and didn't decide to make conscious decisions to clearly affect the game and other people's lives, he wouldn't be in this position. This is all on him.

 

[kb22stang]

So it matters to you the amount it affects Cal. Which means your point is totally bogus. What about the players? How do you quantify the effect on the players? Because apparently you don't give a shit how it affects them. You are making Higgins the victim. He isn't. He brought all of this on himself. If he did his job and didn't decide to make conscious decisions to clearly affect the game and other people's lives, he wouldn't be in this position. This is all on him.

Good lord, do they teach reading comprehension in this state? I never said I care about how much money Cal lost, because it was an insignificant amount.

But stop the BS, the people doing this are not doing it for Cal or the players, they're doing it because UK basketball is the only thing they have in their life that's worth a crap. Stop trying to make this disgusting behavior noble or altruistic.

 

[irishcat1965]

Good lord, do they teach reading comprehension in this state? I never said I care about how much money Cal lost, because it was an insignificant amount.

But stop the BS, the people doing this are not doing it for Cal or the players, they're doing it because UK basketball is the only thing they have in their life that's worth a crap. Stop trying to make this disgusting behavior noble or altruistic.

The only disgusting behavior I see is by a man who tries to alter the outcome of games because of his personal bias. I could care less what the reason is anyone is doing anything. He brought it all upon himself. And whether you think tens of thousands of dollars is insignificant is completely irrelevant because it isn't your money. It's easy to be cavalier when it is with someone else's money.

 

[kb22stang]

The only disgusting behavior I see is by a man who tries to alter the outcome of games because of his personal bias. I could care less what the reason is anyone is doing anything. He brought it all upon himself. And whether you think tens of thousands of dollars is insignificant is completely irrelevant because it isn't your money. It's easy to be cavalier when it is with someone else's money.

So are you saying that Cal is the one posting on the guys FB page? Or are you saying the players are? Both? If so then I understand your logic. If not, well then logic clearly escapes you. Or are you saying fans are superheroes that are sticking up for the little guy (millionaire Cal)? I bet that's it, the fans are simply keyboard heroes that are trying to right a wrong, not pissed off sad little humans mad because their team lost a game.

 

[irishcat1965]

So are you saying that Cal is the one posting on the guys FB page? Or are you saying the players are? Both? If so then I understand your logic. If not, well then logic clearly escapes you. Or are you saying fans are superheroes that are sticking up for the little guy (millionaire Cal)? I bet that's it, the fans are simply keyboard heroes that are trying to right a wrong, not pissed off sad little humans mad because their team lost a game.

Clearly, Cal and the players are not the ones involved- well I think that is a safe assumption. Higgins made conscious decisions to alter the outcomes of games- and he is getting blowback. Higgins knows there is nothing Cal or the players will do about it. And in fact the NCAA putting him in the final four shows they don't care either. So if an outside party or parties shows their disdain for his actions, so be it. Assuming it doesn't involve any type of threats.